Braves

[trob115]

I hope Moylan gets a shot. I like watching him pitch.

[msstate7]

@Braves
Roster move: OF Joey Terdoslavich reinstated from the 15-day DL & OF Eric Young, Jr. designated for assignment. Terdoslavich wears No. 28.

[BoomBoom]

how the hell did you get that out of what I posted?

Even the best relievers give up runs. But the braves have a bad bullpen. Very few reliable outings from a lot of the guys. Walks galore. If they had even a decent pen they're in 1st place rite now. I don't see how this is even debatable.

"if the pen does its job, his decisions good or bad don't matter".

so, if Fredi puts the worst reliever in the pen into the most challenging relief situation of the game, and he gives up a run, he just "didn't do his job" and it's not Fredi's fault?

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?@mlbbowman
When working with a thin pen, I don't understand the need to insert your "lefty" w/ none on and two outs in the sixth

Bowman even questioning fredi. I'd be willing to bet this is Fredi's last year barring a miraculous playoff run

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Braves cut pirate lead to one run in the 7th and then in the 8th fredi just waves the white flag. Fredi lets Cahill give up 5 hits and 3 runs. Braves then respond to score 2 in the bottom. Hey fredi, it was still a game and then team doesn't quit as easily as you. I want him gone.

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@mlbbowman
The #Braves bullpen ERA currently rests at 5.01. They haven't had a bullpen ERA north of 5.00 since 1990.

[shoeless joe]

"if the pen does its job, his decisions good or bad don't matter".

so, if Fredi puts the worst reliever in the pen into the most challenging relief situation of the game, and he gives up a run, he just "didn't do his job" and it's not Fredi's fault?

Go back and read my post. The "decision" I'm talking about is who/whether to pinch hit with a lead. Who/whether to make a defensive replacement. Bringing in a bad pitcher in a tough spot when you have a better option would absolutely be on fredi. Which is why I questioned one such move in the San Fran series. Fredi's issue is he doesn't have any choice when it comes to the pen. Other than grilli they all suck and are inconsistent. So take your hypothetical bull shit that has nothing to do with what I was talking about somewhere else.

[shoeless joe]

@mlbbowman
The #Braves bullpen ERA currently rests at 5.01. They haven't had a bullpen ERA north of 5.00 since 1990.

This is THE reason the braves aren't in 1st rite now. Let that sink in...

Even with all the "stupid" managerial decisions this year they are a competent bullpen away from leading the division in June.

And let me reiterate, I am indifferent on whether fredi stays or goes. I would not agree with firing him just to fire him but if a better option is realistic and available then make the move. But at the same time I am going to continue to be realistic with where I place blame and to whom I give credit during the season.

[msstate7]

This is THE reason the braves aren't in 1st rite now. Let that sink in...

Even with all the "stupid" managerial decisions this year they are a competent bullpen away from leading the division in June.

And let me reiterate, I am indifferent on whether fredi stays or goes. I would not agree with firing him just to fire him but if a better option is realistic and available then make the move. But at the same time I am going to continue to be realistic with where I place blame and to whom I give credit during the season.

For what it's worth...
According to Braves' fans on message board I read, fredi only has a job bc bobby cox went to bat for fredi with hart. All the posters seem to think this is Fredi's last year

[shoeless joe]

For what it's worth...
According to Braves' fans on message board I read, fredi only has a job bc bobby cox went to bat for fredi with hart. All the posters seem to think this is Fredi's last year

I don't doubt that one bit. Loyalty has been one of Bobby's calling cards.

Let me ask you this...who do you think could have managed the braves to a +.500 record to this point in the season?

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I don't doubt that one bit. Loyalty has been one of Bobby's calling cards.

Let me ask you this...who do you think could have managed the braves to a +.500 record to this point in the season?

Considering fredi has done it, I'd say lots. I just don't think fredi is very good in close games. This team plays a ton of close games in which managerial mistakes are magnified.

[msstate7]

Moylan pitched another scoreless inning tonight.

If I were hart, I'd have moylan, carpenter, and Ryan Kelly come up tonight. Flip a coin on who goes down. Hopefully those guys can get us to vizcaino and mckirahan in July

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Brave poster that watched Pittsburgh's TV broadcast...

I have been watching the braves on TV for 36 yrs and last night was 1st time I have ever heard the other teams announcer's question the moves by the braves manager . they all but blamed Fredi for losing the game .and they called his decisions horrible more then once

[trob115]

People are finally waking up on Fredi. I will never be a fan of his after leaving kimbrel in the pen against the Dodgers in the playoffs.

[shoeless joe]

Considering fredi has done it, I'd say lots. I just don't think fredi is very good in close games. This team plays a ton of close games in which managerial mistakes are magnified.

So there are lots of folks that could manage a team with a +5 bullpen ERA to a record above .500????? I think you're letting your fredi hate blind you there. And for the record fredi has the team below .500.

This is so much like the Cohen debate it's almost comical. I do agree that some of his moves are head scratchers...but if the pen was halfway decent the team would be on top of the division.

[shoeless joe]

People are finally waking up on Fredi. I will never be a fan of his after leaving kimbrel in the pen against the Dodgers in the playoffs.

What about when bobby pulled kimbrel to bring in Dunn against the giants to face Aubrey huff? That move was just as egregious AND cost us that series. Then on top of that he lets Lowe talk him into leaving him in the game and that back fires. Remember bobby is in the HOF.

No I'm not saying fredi is comparable to bobby. I'm saying all managers make decisions that don't work...whoever the next guy is will as well. There is so much more than goes into managing than on field decision making, and those other parts of the job are what I question about fredi more than anything...and are the reason I wouldn't care either way if a change was made.

[msstate7]

So there are lots of folks that could manage a team with a +5 bullpen ERA to a record above .500????? I think you're letting your fredi hate blind you there. And for the record fredi has the team below .500.

This is so much like the Cohen debate it's almost comical. I do agree that some of his moves are head scratchers...but if the pen was halfway decent the team would be on top of the division.

But the pen isn't decent, so fredi has to manage it better.

Last night's questionable moves...

6th inning cunniff got first 2 batters easily, yet fredi pulls him for avilan. Avilan gives up single and hr. If it was 7th inning, I'd understand it more bc you have Johnson for 8th. By pulling cunniff in 6th, you really have no one to go to 7th.

In the 8th, fredi leaves Cahill in despite 5 hits and 3 runs. Fredi essentially gave up, but the team didn't. We scored 3 more runs.

These moves follow wed's debacle where fredi ph's for a guy that's 5 for last 6 and then leaves a total defensive liability in that cost us asap on what should've been an easy catch.

Then before that fredi really messed up the sf finale by letting Teheran hit with ff on bench and then bringing in veal. Oh and avilan wasn't available bc fredi brought in avilan on Friday with a 4-run lead for 1 out with no runners on

This is all in less than a week.

Hart seems like a smart guy, so I say there's about a 20% chance that fredi is back next season

[msstate7]

As much as I like Perez, I think we should move him to pen and call up wisler

[trob115]

As you pointed out, bobby was a great regular season manager, not postseason. Fredi hasn't demonstrated that he's capapable of either.

It seems like a routine basis Fredi is making extremely questionable decisions. I know that he's not been dealt a great hand with the bullpen, but every move is that much more important without a reliable pen , thus magnifying every decision that isn't made. I just think it's inevitable that a managerial move will be made.

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3-game losing streak... We desperately need Teheran to be the old Teheran tonight.