I just still dont understand the bitter Stands supporters

[Coach34]

Maybe if certain folks had supported Stans instead of trying to get him fired for 5 years it might have........that works both ways. The open defiance on the bench started well after the smear campaign started.

You mean like Timmy Bowers telling the CL that he didnt want to run what Stands had called in the huddle during the time-out to win the Bama game in 2005- and just did what he wanted??? Or Gary Ervin?

The simple difference was that group had alot more character than what came after them

[Raytoraid83]

*clicks thread* **vomits everywhere**

[HoopsDawg]

That quote was also made before he knew Sidney and Deville werent going to be allowed back. You dont think it's possible he looked at what was left and said there is no ****ing way I'm staying here with what's left???

I really don't care about this debate anymore or the semantics of the situation. I was simply replying to your original post which showed a complete lack of self-awareness.

[SDDawg]

By and large people wish they were born into Ole Miss stock? that's one of the dumbest statements I have ever read.

We aren't signing Malik bub.

No shit on Malik, but thanks for showing your "inside" knowledge. Listen BUB, just because you show your ass on a message board it doesn't mean that what I'm saying isn't accurate. Stans was a recruiter and nothing more. Most people know that- sorry you don't.

[drunkernhelldawg]

No shit on Malik, but thanks for showing your "inside" knowledge. Listen BUB, just because you show your ass on a message board it doesn't mean that what I'm saying isn't accurate. Stans was a recruiter and nothing more. Most people know that- sorry you don't.

Here y'all go again: Throwing out the idea that Stans was not an actual coach. How can we ever make it stop? Pretty incredible that a person who can't coach had a winning record vs. every team in Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Arkansas over a long tenure. Coaches are apparently not needed. It's all luck.

[DancingRabbit]

While I disagreed with C34's years of attacks on Stans, and while he did have the power to make SPS basically unreadable for long stretches, I think it's a stretch to say he influenced the attitudes of players. I also think it's a stretch to say that Scott Stricklin and Mark Keenum "fired" Stans because of C34's constant criticism.

Technically Stans wasn't fired, right? I certainly have no insider knowledge but reading between the lines of all published reports and messageboard chatter I think Keenum and Strick were surprised and caught off guard when Stans took the retirement offer. Keenum gets tired of public embarrassments and inside reports that concern him, so he and Strick put together a list of requirements for Stans and what the consequences are for not meeting those - or if he's tired of all the BS he can take a nice retirement package.

Stans says "**** y'all, I've been around here way longer than either of you, you can't give me ultimatums" and walks away. I would guess that Strick had discussions with agents of several possible candidates and had a plan that didn't include Ray, and for various reasons Plans A,B,C and D evaporated. In the best circumstances it's never appealing to be the first guy to follow a legend. We didn't have the SECN money yet, so we couldn't money whip the top candidates enough to overcome their hesitation. Maybe the well was poisoned by the pro-Stans crowd too.

At this point if good candidates are available and interested, I would pull the plug on Ray. Seems like a good guy, but that has little to do with succeeding in college basketball. The next coach doesn't have to follow a successful "legend" and we have the funds to money-whip them if they are the right candidate.

All that may be totally wrong, but that's my theory until something convinces me differently.

And while it serves no productive purpose, I can't really blame anyone for busting C34's balls for starting a thread complaining about Rick Ray "complainers".

[Coach34]

While I disagreed with C34's years of attacks on Stans, and while he did have the power to make SPS basically unreadable for long stretches, I think it's a stretch to say he influenced the attitudes of players. I also think it's a stretch to say that Scott Stricklin and Mark Keenum "fired" Stans because of C34's constant criticism.

Technically Stans wasn't fired, right? I certainly have no insider knowledge but reading between the lines of all published reports and messageboard chatter I think Keenum and Strick were surprised and caught off guard when Stans took the retirement offer. Keenum gets tired of public embarrassments and inside reports that concern him, so he and Strick put together a list of requirements for Stans and what the consequences are for not meeting those - or if he's tired of all the BS he can take a nice retirement package.

Stans says "**** y'all, I've been around here way longer than either of you, you can't give me ultimatums" and walks away. I would guess that Strick had discussions with agents of several possible candidates and had a plan that didn't include Ray, and for various reasons Plans A,B,C and D evaporated. In the best circumstances it's never appealing to be the first guy to follow a legend. We didn't have the SECN money yet, so we couldn't money whip the top candidates enough to overcome their hesitation. Maybe the well was poisoned by the pro-Stans crowd too.

At this point if good candidates are available and interested, I would pull the plug on Ray. Seems like a good guy, but that has little to do with succeeding in college basketball. The next coach doesn't have to follow a successful "legend" and we have the funds to money-whip them if they are the right candidate.

All that may be totally wrong, but that's my theory until something convinces me differently.

And while it serves no productive purpose, I can't really blame anyone for busting C34's balls for starting a thread complaining about Rick Ray "complainers".

now this is a quality post

[IMissJack]

These people are stupid, no You're stupid, bla bla bla. Slow day on the newsroom run controversial political story. Slow day on ED run a Stans post.

[Liverpooldawg]

And this is the heart of the matter.

Many of these guys havent supported Ray for 1 second- and pulled back their monetary support with it. But they want to bitch when we arent getting the same results.

You have ZERO room to talk about not supporting a coach.

[Dawgface]

There is no reason at all to even reply in threads like this.

I'm afraid there will always be Stansbury threads. If we ever do get our program turned around, there will be the threads 'see I told y'all we could do better'. And if we keep losing, there will be more of these kind of threads. We are forever doomed for more Stansbury threads.

[shannondawg]

I was close to Stans, and can just speak for myself at the present, but never have I been contacted. Except for chasing a few stock prices, have never been one to throw good money after bad, so its just as well.

This is spot on...don't forget that many of the same egos that helped Stans have refused to help Ray...all out of spite. Pride goeth before the fall...

[dawgs]

who thought stans deserved more time? much like stans had to go, rick ray now has to go.

[Quaoarsking]

Can we put a moratorium on discussing Stans? No one is going to ever change their mind on him. Regardless of whether you think he should or shouldn't have been let go, it's over. He's gone. It's way past time to be debating on the present and not on the past.

[shannondawg]

Even Obama has stopped blaming Bush for his own shit show.

[msstate7]

Even Obama has stopped blaming Bush for his own shit show.

We should give ray 8 years too then***

I do want ray to get next year though

[engie]

While I disagreed with C34's years of attacks on Stans, and while he did have the power to make SPS basically unreadable for long stretches, I think it's a stretch to say he influenced the attitudes of players. I also think it's a stretch to say that Scott Stricklin and Mark Keenum "fired" Stans because of C34's constant criticism.

Technically Stans wasn't fired, right? I certainly have no insider knowledge but reading between the lines of all published reports and messageboard chatter I think Keenum and Strick were surprised and caught off guard when Stans took the retirement offer. Keenum gets tired of public embarrassments and inside reports that concern him, so he and Strick put together a list of requirements for Stans and what the consequences are for not meeting those - or if he's tired of all the BS he can take a nice retirement package.

Stans says "**** y'all, I've been around here way longer than either of you, you can't give me ultimatums" and walks away. I would guess that Strick had discussions with agents of several possible candidates and had a plan that didn't include Ray, and for various reasons Plans A,B,C and D evaporated. In the best circumstances it's never appealing to be the first guy to follow a legend. We didn't have the SECN money yet, so we couldn't money whip the top candidates enough to overcome their hesitation. Maybe the well was poisoned by the pro-Stans crowd too.

At this point if good candidates are available and interested, I would pull the plug on Ray. Seems like a good guy, but that has little to do with succeeding in college basketball. The next coach doesn't have to follow a successful "legend" and we have the funds to money-whip them if they are the right candidate.

All that may be totally wrong, but that's my theory until something convinces me differently.

And while it serves no productive purpose, I can't really blame anyone for busting C34's balls for starting a thread complaining about Rick Ray "complainers".

Best, most well-rounded basketball post I've ready in several months. Thanks for this one...

[engie]

I was close to Stans, and can just speak for myself at the present, but never have I been contacted. Except for chasing a few stock prices, have never been one to throw good money after bad, so its just as well.

This is a real travesty that I don't understand from Strick's side... Unless there was something that went on during the cohen transition period that made him decide that ardent supporters of the previous regime would just have to buy back in on their own schedule. Still a pretty big screw up on his part to not be making this phone call and at least attempting to mend fences(and trying to sell you a left field loft, lol)

[MabenMaroon]

*clicks thread* **vomits everywhere**

This, .... definitely this!

[tcdog70]

Whenever this board gets boring or slow 34 starts a Stans thread with the same shit different day .Forget Stans , post about the worst HC is the SEC and hammer his ass like you did Stans. If you didn't like having a top of the Sec basketball program how can you sleep at night with this piece of shit coach and record setting losers. You need counseling.

[mcdawg]

Really Coach, you don't understand the bitterness on this board?

I will explain it to you. The bitterness comes from the fact that people perceive this as your board and you were on a one man, 5 year mission to get Stans fired. You got your way and this mess is the result. Now more people are interested in Women's Hoops than Men's Hoops. Our program is decimated. There were several posters that warned against your line of thinking saying things like: look what happened at Arkansas, look what happened at AU, well now we are at those levels and below.

Stans should have been given one more year for 2 reasons:

1) give him a chance to put the Sidney Show behind him and move forward or
2) give our AD a chance to have a legit coach lined up

Absolutely. I cannot understand anyone still saying it was better to get rid of Stans. At the time since you didn't know the future, I can understand the argument. But "after seeing the future", I cannot understand anyone arguing it was the right decision. Our program would be in a better place - no question. The situation now is: men's basketball is irrelevant. Nobody goes to games and the Hump is dead - and it use to be so much fun and great to go. We get excited to beat a team that is 1-11 in the SEC. OM has passed us by, and they were never the better program with Stans here. I have paid my Bulldog dues and bought my 4 floor level tickets even though all my friends/relatives gave up. I have been to 3 games in 3 years and was bored to tears. Not one person has asked for my tickets. Plus, I have big State friends that don't even watch us on TV. I have watched one game on TV this year, and - again - was bored to tears. Coach - you asked for this and you continue to defend this crap. Have fun watching this team - you and a few others. And, you can buy my tickets and pay the dues next year, because I - along with many others - will not. (I do feel sorry for the guys who committed to our previous staff and have to live thru this.)