Depressing

[Political Hack]

any school that's not measuring their success on tournament success does not understand the payoff or investment in college basketball. it's all TOURNAMENT. That's when the world tunes in. If you're too thick to understand that, you don't belong in athletics.

I'm a little dumfounded some of the guys I consider to be smarter-sports-wise on this board would think otherwise.

[smootness]

Calipari

He did it at umass.

Perhaps. He would probably recruit well enough to take them there. But that just kind of further helps Smart's case.

[Political Hack]

go check VCU's enrollment. after they made the final four and then after their winning seasons where they didn't make a push in the tourney.

case closed.

[smootness]

any school that's not measuring their success on tournament success does not understand the payoff or investment in college basketball. it's all TOURNAMENT. That's when the world tunes in. If you're too thick to understand that, you don't belong in athletics.

I'm a little dumfounded some of the guys I consider to be smarter-sports-wise on this board would think otherwise.

There's a difference between understanding that ultimately you want tournament success and evaluating on it. If there is a long trend over time, that's one thing. But again, it's a crapshoot. Do you evaluate the level of a poker player on how far they advance in the WSOP Main Event? More extreme example, but the same principle applies.

Anyone who is trying to evaluate a coach's ability to run a program and starts with, 'What did they do in the NCAA Tournament?' is doing it wrong, especially for a place like VCU. I promise you the best don't look at it that way.

Of course, all of this ignores that placing a heavier emphasis on Tournament success HELPS Smart.

[smootness]

go check VCU's enrollment. after they made the final four and then after their winning seasons where they didn't make a push in the tourney.

case closed.

The question is not, 'What do we ultimately want?' It's, 'Who can best put us in position to most consistently have a chance to get what we want?' And if an AD's evaluation of that starts with, 'Who went deep last year?' then that's an AD more likely to end up making a bad hire.

[tcdog70]

I'm not saying it's the case, but IF there's only so much cash to go around for all the athletic programs, basketball makes by far the most sense to feel the pain. Football pays the freight, so they get what they want. Period. Baseball is our traditional power sport and will get what it wants. Period. Then you have to fund all the Title IX shit, track, etc. If one of the "Big 3" takes a hit, it makes the most sense from an MSU perspective for it to be basketball. Same for TSUN. They're best off pouring the cash into football and baseball.

Wait a minute why sacrifice any damn thing. Strick eat you some Crow , Hire Stans back and in two years we would be back winning twenty games a year nd have a chance to beat any team we Play. Shit , what might Stans do if He ever got to practice in the Practice facility he built.

[Coach34]

Wait a minute why sacrifice any damn thing. Strick eat you some Crow , Hire Stans back and in two years we would be back winning twenty games a year nd have a chance to beat any team we Play. Shit , what might Stans do if He ever got to practice in the Practice facility he built.

bwahahahahahahahaha

Stands isnt ever coming back under this administration...nor does he need to. He is in his best role- recruiting asst

[tcdog70]

bwahahahahahahahaha

Stands isnt ever coming back under this administration...nor does he need to. He is in his best role- recruiting asst

No shit Sherlock. I was responding to Him saying one of our big three had to suck. I know Stands isn' t coming back. But and here is my point Daddy- O so pay attention, If He did, and you know it - we would be back with talent and 20 wins a season- just like I said. I know you don't like Stands but We were in the hunt were in the hunt every year with good players and the HUMP was rocking. He was trying to get to the dreaded ass " Next Level" and he took a Chance on Sidney and it backfired . And we know the rest of the story.

[Dawg61]

No shit Sherlock. I was responding to Him saying one of our big three had to suck. I know Stands isn' t coming back. But and here is my point Daddy- O so pay attention, If He did, and you know it - we would be back with talent and 20 wins a season- just like I said. I know you don't like Stands but We were in the hunt were in the hunt every year with good players and the HUMP was rocking. He was trying to get to the dreaded ass " Next Level" and he took a Chance on Sidney and it backfired . And we know the rest of the story.

Stansbury lost some 36 signees I believe was the total before he got fired. It was far far far from just Sidney.

[Dawg61]

Osby
Goodridge
Hansbrough
Lafayette guy
Turner
Smith
Bailey
Sidney
S. Smith
Synthetic marijuana guy
J. Houston
Bullethole Sharpe
Gary Ervin
Plus about twenty more

just off the top of my head. It was a repetive trait of Stansbury's teams. Once they started playing for us and actually seeing what Stanbury was like to play for they ran away as fast as possible. Stansbury HAD TO GO!!

[War Machine Dawg]

Wait a minute why sacrifice any damn thing. Strick eat you some Crow , Hire Stans back and in two years we would be back winning twenty games a year nd have a chance to beat any team we Play. Shit , what might Stans do if He ever got to practice in the Practice facility he built.

You're a special kind of stupid, aren't ya? I didn't say one had to suck. We're about to be among the richest athletic departments in the nation. We can afford to pay for a damn good coach, if we're willing. The question is whether or not we'll continue to handicap the program by living in a fantasy land by not playing the AAU game to the extent necessary to win at a competitive level. My point was simply that if on is going to suck, it makes the most sense for it to be basketball. Can you imagine the bitching if we let baseball get this bad?

[Political Hack]

if you're a valuating a coach on regular season success and not considering tournament success, you should be fired.

[engie]

if you're a valuating a coach on regular season success and not considering tournament success, you should be fired.

Who said anything about "not considering tournament success"?

If you are hiring a coach based strictly on most recent tournament success -- as you suggest -- you should be fired. You lost me in saying Shaka Smart's stock is down -- and haven't found the same page again yet.

[Bully78]

I want Rick Ray to write a personal check and refund my season tickets!

[Political Hack]

Who said anything about "not considering tournament success"?

If you are hiring a coach based strictly on most recent tournament success -- as you suggest -- you should be fired. You lost me in saying Shaka Smart's stock is down -- and haven't found the same page again yet.

wow. I didn't suggest hiring a coach on recent tournament success. I actually suggested the opposite. Shaka hasn't been that successful as of late in the tourney, and I suggested going after someone like him. He's proven he can coach in the tournament, but more importantly he brings an exciting style of basketball.

Shaka is not coming up for every opening anymore... therefore his stock is down.

[engie]

wow. I didn't suggest hiring a coach on recent tournament success. I actually suggested the opposite. Shaka hasn't been that successful as of late in the tourney, and I suggested going after someone like him. He's proven he can coach in the tournament, but more importantly he brings an exciting style of basketball.

Shaka is not coming up for every opening anymore... therefore his stock is down.

You posted "all that matters is the tournament". That would imply that the sum of the season prior to the tournament means little to nothing. With your implication that Shaka's "stock is down"(despite me showing that his teams are actually still improving), it's logical to infer your position as "only very recent success in the tournament matter". While it may not have been what you were actually intending to say or imply, it is hardly suggesting the opposite...

Shaka comes up in every single opening of matter. When you turn down UCLA and Illinois and sign a 15 year extension, your name stops coming up every time Clemson or Oregon St needs a coach. Those programs have accepted the fact that they have little-to-no chance and while they probably all contact his agent, they don't extend offers in order to be publicly spurned. That doesn't mean Shaka's stock has dropped. It means the country has recognized just how high his stock actually is.

Shaka publicly turned down Marquette last March. That was arguably the biggest opening last cycle. How is that lowered national appeal?

[RougeDawg]

I want Rick Ray to write a personal check and refund my season tickets!

I hope the current students can project how horrible our BBALL is on a football portrait. The only equivalent to Rays basketball teams are Crooms football teams. Maybe Ray is actually helping them appreciate football more and that wa Stricks plan.**