The most glaring thing about our last 4 games

[mstatefan91]

10 is the cap. Best it's gonna be. An anomaly.

You just said in another thread that you believed we could win NC's at this university, and here you are saying this shit.

Be all in or don't. Just pick something. Damn

[Really Clark?]

We ain't firing his ass. Even though it's as good as it's ever gonna be under him. He better learn ****ing fast and let his coaches coach or 10 wins is an anomaly. Wake up.

Well your the one who said clean his office. You have to freaking crawl before you walk. You don't know the future but I do know there have only been a very few coaches who have taken historically sub-.500 teams to 10 wins as fast or faster than Mullen. It took Oregon two coaches and over 20 years of building to do it. Nearly a decade for Beamer at Va Tech and either of those schools were doing it in the SEC. For all the complaining he has gotten better in several aspects of being a head coach. And he has been building it slow so hopefully it will last.

[I seen it dawg]

You just said in another thread that you believed we could win NC's at this university, and here you are saying this shit.

Be all in or don't. Just pick something. Damn

10 is the cap. With Mullen. We can win a nc here just not with that arrogant I'm smarter than everybody asshole.

[Really Clark?]

10 is the cap. With Mullen. We can win a nc here just not with that arrogant I'm smarter than everybody asshole.

Are you not describing Saban and Urban? Winners of 6 national titles. I think they are pretty much what you are saying Dan is.

[I seen it dawg]

Are you not describing Saban and Urban? Winners of 6 national titles. I think they are pretty much what you are saying Dan is.

Well then I guess that makes them better coaches then huh....you can be an arrogant asshole if you stick with what you do best and keep your ass out of the rest and hire good people and let them do it. Dan wont.

[I seen it dawg]

Are you not describing Saban and Urban? Winners of 6 national titles. I think they are pretty much what you are saying Dan is.

They aren't what Dan is. Putting Dan in the same breath as those guys is blasphemy. He can't scratch their balls.

[Smitty]

Why can we never make an adjustment in-game?

Oh yeah, Dan's ego.. We actually go back to FAILED schemes and ideas to try to prove its not his fault.

[Really Clark?]

Well then I guess that makes them better coaches then huh....you can be an arrogant asshole if you stick with what you do best and keep your ass out of the rest and hire good people and let them do it. Dan wont.

The most important part of being a successful head coach, and make no mistake Dan is successful, is staying true to yourself. You just said that in this post. All good coaches do it but the style is different. Yes he should always try to get better, and he has proven to do that, but he has to stay true to the core person he is. The absurdity of this is you are only looking to blame him for any failure with the defense because he is too involved. If that is true, and I don't think it is, then you have to also agree with the fact he is also responsible for the defense successes. With for half of his tenure here is true. So which is it? You can't bitch about how bad it is because of him without understanding that that logic also means he has also succeeded as well on the defensive side of the ball. He probably does micro- manage. As do a ton of great coaches.

[I seen it dawg]

The most important part of being a successful head coach, and make no mistake Dan is successful, is staying true to yourself. You just said that in this post. All good coaches do it but the style is different. Yes he should always try to get better, and he has proven to do that, but he has to stay true to the core person he is. The absurdity of this is you are only looking to blame him for any failure with the defense because he is too involved. If that is true, and I don't think it is, then you have to also agree with the fact he is also responsible for the defense successes. With for half of his tenure here is true. So which is it? You can't bitch about how bad it is because of him without understanding that that logic also means he has also succeeded as well on the defensive side of the ball. He probably does micro- manage. As do a ton of great coaches.

It's his arrogance that is the problem, and that's his core person. And he needs to self-reflect and make himself a better coach and change. Can't see that other coaches might be damn good coaches and need to be left to do their job.

This whole issue of success is indisputable. We/he have/has been successful. No arguing that. The problem is level of success...is this the best we got? Is it good enough? It's not for me. I'm not sorry that I believe we can win a NC here. And it pisses me off our HC is too arrogant right now to take advantage of this opportunity we have. We may not get another one.

If he puts his arrogance in the trash, makes an inspiring hire to overhaul the defense and allows them to actually do it then we can win the whole damn thing. If not another 10 wins and a good bowl game, which is great for some but short of our potential in this tight window we are in.

I've never said Dan is not a good coach. He's done great things here. I want more than just "remember where we were with Crooms? Isn't this great? Do you want to go back to that?" He can win a NC here. He needs to look in the mirror.

[Really Clark?]

It's his arrogance that is the problem, and that's his core person. And he needs to self-reflect and make himself a better coach and change. Can't see that other coaches might be damn good coaches and need to be left to do their job.

This whole issue of success is indisputable. We/he have/has been successful. No arguing that. The problem is level of success...is this the best we got? Is it good enough? It's not for me. I'm not sorry that I believe we can win a NC here. And it pisses me off our HC is too arrogant right now to take advantage of this opportunity we have. We may not get another one.

If he puts his arrogance in the trash, makes an inspiring hire to overhaul the defense and allows them to actually do it then we can win the whole damn thing. If not another 10 wins and a good bowl game, which is great for some but short of our potential in this tight window we are in.

I've never said Dan is not a good coach. He's done great things here. I want more than just "remember where we were with Crooms? Isn't this great? Do you want to go back to that?" He can win a NC here. He needs to look in the mirror.

I agree we can win a title here. But in the grand scheme of things, coming from our history he has us way ahead of schedule. And neither of us can honestly speak of his arrogance, the amount he has or if it is a problem. We are not a part of the program. But looking at the ones who are, players do not leave because of him. Very low attrition rate. So even if he is arrogant the players love it or at least he overcomes it so far that they are bought in to his program. And that includes the defensive side as well. You are painting him out to be so arrogant and big of an ass that the coaches and team can't stand him. I don't see that. At least not to the degree you are inferring.

[I seen it dawg]

I agree we can win a title here. But in the grand scheme of things, coming from our history he has us way ahead of schedule. And neither of us can honestly speak of his arrogance, the amount he has or if it is a problem. We are not a part of the program. But looking at the ones who are, players do not leave because of him. Very low attrition rate. So even if he is arrogant the players love it or at least he overcomes it so far that they are bought in to his program. And that includes the defensive side as well. You are painting him out to be so arrogant and big of an ass that the coaches and team can't stand him. I don't see that. At least not to the degree you are inferring.

No I'm not. Never said any of that or inferred it. You said that not me. It's his arrogance in his coaching not towards people. Big difference.

[engie]

He needs to look in the mirror, I agree.

But I generally feel like he's done a pretty good job of that in his offseasons here. He "gave up" special teams and took full responsibility for the offense last offseason. It's perfectly logical that he'd do the same and try to take a step back with defense as well. Who he hires and what he says at the time will give good insight on whether or not he intends to do that. He's not going to get an established DC while micromanaging and not letting him do his thing...

[Really Clark?]

No I'm not. Never said any of that or inferred it. You said that not me. It's his arrogance in his coaching not towards people. Big difference.

You said this on this same page "10 is the cap. With Mullen. We can win a nc here just not with that arrogant I'm smarter than everybody asshole." I don't how else to infer you calling someone an asshole.

[I seen it dawg]

You said this on this same page "10 is the cap. With Mullen. We can win a nc here just not with that arrogant I'm smarter than everybody asshole." I don't how else to infer you calling someone an asshole.

True I did. I can see it. But my take on it is the way he handles his coaching not towards people. He may be an asshole to people too I don't know. If he changes from the arrogant asshole coach he is we can win the whole thing, with him, but not the way he is now.

[IMissJack]

One thing seems obvious, the way rankings/championships are done now, once you are out it is hard to keep a team motivated, especially if you had a chance late into the season. In the past, we would have been happy with an 8 win season, and take a great crowd to a lower level bowl that was close to home. This year we lost 3/4 but won 10 freaking games, and I feel pretty down about it. Based on what I saw, we have a long way to go in game preparation and strategy for BIG games. Also, bowls are getting killed by the current system, they just don't mean anything anymore.

[Really Clark?]

True I did. I can see it. But my take on it is the way he handles his coaching not towards people. He may be an asshole to people too I don't know. If he changes from the arrogant asshole coach he is we can win the whole thing, with him, but not the way he is now.

I really think that all of this is more to do with the growth of a program and he is actually ahead of schedule compared to what other historic sub-.500 schools have done. He has faults but has corrected some and some honestly are not as big of a fault as been alleged. We are undergoing growing pains but to rise as we have, in the amount of time we have, there are very very few coaches who have done this. That demands our respect to the job he has done and how he has done it for the vast majority of his tenure. Nobody, including Saban always get it right. His defense got throttled by Oklahoma last year and it won't be the last time for Bama and Saban and it won't be the last time for us either.

[SallyStansbury]

Really Clark? There is also a flaw in your logic, and that is the assumption that Mullen was equally involved with the D throughout the season. To give both credit and fault that would have to be the case.

Another possibility is that at some point around the Kentucky game, Dan began "inflicting himself" on the defensive coaching strategy limiting the aggressiveness of our schemes and play calling. If this were true, then Collins could ask himself "how in the shit am I supposed to do my job if my boss limits my options, themselves bitches at me when we fail?" We might could have covered up for injuries and poor S play by creative blitzing/attacking game plans, but we didn't and we get what we got. Was Mullen to blame as outlined above....who knows? I sure don't. But I believe it to be a possibility given the evidence.

[Really Clark?]

Really Clark? There is also a flaw in your logic, and that is the assumption that Mullen was equally involved with the D throughout the season. To give both credit and fault that would have to be the case.

Another possibility is that at some point around the Kentucky game, Dan began "inflicting himself" on the defensive coaching strategy limiting the aggressiveness of our schemes and play calling. If this were true, then Collins could ask himself "how in the shit am I supposed to do my job if my boss limits my options, themselves bitches at me when we fail?" We might could have covered up for injuries and poor S play by creative blitzing/attacking game plans, but we didn't and we get what we got. Was Mullen to blame as outlined above....who knows? I sure don't. But I believe it to be a possibility given the evidence.

That's not what is being debated. There are several making the case that this has been pretty much during his whole time here. Not just a snap shot of one season. That's the logic I'm using. Not half of a season but half of all of the defenses over the entire 6 years.

[maroonmania]

It's his arrogance that is the problem, and that's his core person. And he needs to self-reflect and make himself a better coach and change. Can't see that other coaches might be damn good coaches and need to be left to do their job.

This whole issue of success is indisputable. We/he have/has been successful. No arguing that. The problem is level of success...is this the best we got? Is it good enough? It's not for me. I'm not sorry that I believe we can win a NC here. And it pisses me off our HC is too arrogant right now to take advantage of this opportunity we have. We may not get another one.

If he puts his arrogance in the trash, makes an inspiring hire to overhaul the defense and allows them to actually do it then we can win the whole damn thing. If not another 10 wins and a good bowl game, which is great for some but short of our potential in this tight window we are in.

I've never said Dan is not a good coach. He's done great things here. I want more than just "remember where we were with Crooms? Isn't this great? Do you want to go back to that?" He can win a NC here. He needs to look in the mirror.

Nobody here is claiming that Mullen is perfect or doesn't have his flaws. But, in all honesty, if Mullen didn't have some flaws we probably wouldn't be able to keep him especially given he has no ties to Mississippi or MSU. So if we brought in the coach that pleased you perfectly he would likely be out the door as soon as he gets here. The only somewhat successful HC out there that would likely come to MSU and stay regardless of other big time offers is Hud and I don't know enough about him on a big stage to know if he would even be as good as Mullen.

[TaleofTwoDogs]

[QUOTE=engie;313889]The good thing about tonight is it has to force change. You hire a name DC here. It's the only way to truly savage it. In hiring a name vs a "one year up-and-comer", you probably get someone that has some balls and will only come here under the supposition of having full control of the defensive playcalling. You get that -- and we can move forward./QUOTE]

But, but I heard through my second cousin that Stricklin wants Mullen to look at a 2nd Asst to the DC at Northwest Middle Iowa College. We strive on diamonds in the rough. ***