Oliver Black

[Dawg61]

Tennessee right now is only as bad us 2012 if you take the two situations at face value an outsider's perspective.

So what would you call a 17 year old high school basketball players perspective when he looks at MSU in 2012 or Tennessee today? He isn't digging into the cracks of the walls to see how many boosters are on board with the new coach. He cares about shoes, clothes, pu5sy, basketball, music, xbox, money, food, partying. That's it.

[Dawg61]

I wish one thread about what's going on in basketball (new player got in) would stay on that topic instead of this bullshit. Go make a rick ray thread and talk. Leave that shit somewhere else. It's unbearable

And yet these threads turn into 10 page ones. Every week. That should tell you something.

[DudyDawg]

And yet these threads turn into 10 page ones. Every week. That should tell you something.

And yet, it's usually just you arguing with others. It's the same people over and over. That's why I said go make a Rick Ray thread (you love to talk about him) and keep it there.

[Dawg61]

And yet, it's usually just you arguing with others. It's the same people over and over. That's why I said go make a Rick Ray thread (you love to talk about him) and keep it there.

This is our Rick Ray thread. Oliver Black being qualified is one sentence. He's supposed to be qualified. It isn't really newsworthy imo.

[DudyDawg]

When we sign recruits in other sports, we talk about how they will do/play here. We don't talk about the coach like we want him fired. You consistently ruin basketball threads. How often do you have to hear it to believe it.

That's why I'm saying, if you want to talk Ray, make a Ray thread. Not a thread on a player getting into school.

[Dawg61]

When we sign recruits in other sports, we talk about how they will do/play here. We don't talk about the coach like we want him fired. You consistently ruin basketball threads. How often do you have to hear it to believe it.

That's why I'm saying, if you want to talk Ray, make a Ray thread. Not a thread on a player getting into school.

How about you talk basketball instead of worrying about my posting habits. This is the basketball thread. It's just called Oliver Black this week.

[DudyDawg]

It literally is impossible to have an actual conversation about the sport of basketball at Mississippi State University because it turns into this.

[Homedawg]

Quit being a jackass. The question asked was name a coach that stepped into a worse situation. I did. Baylor had crippling sanctions placed on them including not being allowed to play half a season.

Quit being a jackass? I just point out that it took him 7 years basically to build a program. How can it take that long?** all he had to do was have a full roster and things would have been just swell.***

[Homedawg]

This is our Rick Ray thread. Oliver Black being qualified is one sentence. He's supposed to be qualified. It isn't really newsworthy imo.

Except the fact you spent a month or more bitching like a woman that he wasn't eligible and might not be for the season. Now that he is, you say, well he's suppose to be.

[Dawg61]

It literally is impossible to have an actual conversation about the sport of basketball at Mississippi State University because it turns into this.

C34 had 30,000 posts about getting Stansbury fired. 30,000. That is no exaggeration. Years and years and years of harping how high our standards should be at MSU, 8 years worth to be exact. I agreed with him. Then we fire Stansbury and all of a sudden overnight we no longer have those high expectations for our basketball team/coach. That's why you see me constantly talking about basketball. As I've said before you'll see me quiet down about basketball when our expectations and what we demand of our coach are at least equal to what we all wanted so badly to get rid of. Want Stansbury fired? Fine I will go along with you on that. Want to lower the bar to ridiculously low standards for the next guy? No I can not stand behind you on that.

[Coach34]

Expectations change with where your program is. Stands wrecked and tore down everything he had built. You don't overcome that in a year or two.

Expectations are higher for Ray this year- from everyone. As they should be.

[DawgInMemphis]

C34 had 30,000 posts about getting Stansbury fired. 30,000. That is no exaggeration.

That is the very definition of an exaggeration. His post count is around 10,000.

[Dawg61]

Stands wrecked and tore down everything he had built. You don't overcome that in a year or two.

No he didn't. Not at all. When Stansbury was fired Moultrie, Sidney, Hood, Steele, Lewis, Zierdaks, SSmith were all on the roster. Even Deville Smith the starting PG for UNLV was too. Josh Gray was still committed. That is a fact. Then any blame gets severed right there. We then enter a new "blame zone" and that mostly goes to nobody because there's always turnover during a transition. I personally put a lot of blame on Stricklin here though. Just being honest.

[Dawg61]

That is the very definition of an exaggeration. His post count is around 10,000.

Haha this made me laugh. Anyone else care to explain to DawgInMemphis what I am referring to?

[Dawg61]

Except the fact you spent a month or more bitching like a woman that he wasn't eligible and might not be for the season. Now that he is, you say, well he's suppose to be.

He is supposed to be. Is he not? Why are we signing low rated players that don't get cleared till August? One year removed from having two lower rated players we signed not get cleared at all. Shouldn't that concern you some? Especially since our biggest issue has been our lack of a bench. But luckily for us Ray has saved an extra scholarship every single year he has been here. We keep signing low rated players that either don't get cleared or just barely get cleared. That concerns the fu@k out of me.

[Homedawg]

No he didn't. Not at all. When Stansbury was fired Moultrie, Sidney, Hood, Steele, Lewis, Zierdaks, SSmith were all on the roster. Even Deville Smith the starting PG for UNLV was too. Josh Gray was still committed. That is a fact. Then any blame gets severed right there. We then enter a new "blame zone" and that mostly goes to nobody because there's always turnover during a transition. I personally put a lot of blame on Stricklin here though. Just being honest.

This is great. They were all on the roster when he was let go. Sooooo, if Stan's weren't fired, Sid and his fat ass would have come back, moultrie wouldn't have turned pro, deville smith would have been back? Wow. Now that's amazing. And stupid. Truly.

[Coach34]

No he didn't. Not at all. When Stansbury was fired Moultrie, Sidney, Hood, Steele, Lewis, Zierdaks, SSmith were all on the roster. Even Deville Smith the starting PG for UNLV was too. Josh Gray was still committed. That is a fact. Then any blame gets severed right there. We then enter a new "blame zone" and that mostly goes to nobody because there's always turnover during a transition. I personally put a lot of blame on Stricklin here though. Just being honest.

Moultrie was already out the door
Deville and Sidney were told not to come back before Ray was hired
Hood was already looking to leave
Ziedakis and Smith were cut per University policy- that wasn't Ray
Steele and Lewis stayed hurt

There is your facts

[Dawg61]

This is great. They were all on the roster when he was let go. Sooooo, if Stan's weren't fired, Sid and his fat ass would have come back, moultrie wouldn't have turned pro, deville smith would have been back? Wow. Now that's amazing. And stupid. Truly.

You can't blame someone for shit that happens after they get fired. Just how it is. Do most of those things still happen if he isn't fired? Yea probably so but if he's not fired then he does still have the opportunity to change them from ever happening. Some of them needed to happen though anyways. Sidney did not need to come back. He was the ultimate downfall for Stansbury. MSU just couldn't stomach watching his fat ass pout on the bench and not hustle at all and have Jimmy Dykes doing 5 minute diagrams pointing out how lazy he was. That was the end for Bury. Bury probably still loves "Shug" though. Wonder if they did P90X this year together again?

[Dawg61]

Moultrie was already out the door
Deville and Sidney were told not to come back before Ray was hired
Hood was already looking to leave
Ziedakis and Smith were cut per University policy- that wasn't Ray
Steele and Lewis stayed hurt

There is your facts

On the morning that Stansbury got fired every single one of those players was on the roster. That is a fact. Blaming Stansbury after he gets fired for those players being gone isn't exactly right or fair.

[engie]

You can't blame someone for shit that happens after they get fired. Just how it is.

But you can blame the next guy for things that happen before he was hired right? #logic