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[Dawg61]

How do you account for Nebraska getting in?

So, your argument is propped up by an autobid? One that actually had a half dozen bad losses that YOU said they "couldn't afford"? Dawg61 pls.

Why is this suddenly morphing into a B1G baseball discussion? Indiana went 21-3 dude. A .875 winning percentage looks way better than a few upset losses. Then they won their fu*king conference tournament. They are in. Twice.

I'm not saying I necessarily have a problem with how the baseball and basketball teams are selected I am just saying it is more difficult to be teams 1-4 in SEC basketball than it is to be teams 7-10 in SEC baseball. Let's get off the B1G baseball please, I don't really care to get balls deep in that conference's baseball situation.

[engie]

I'm not saying I necessarily have a problem with how the baseball and basketball teams are selected I am just saying it is more difficult to be teams 1-4 in SEC basketball than it is to be teams 7-10 in SEC baseball.

And again, you are breaking it down relative to the conference(which doesn't matter) instead of relative to the country(which is what gets you in or out).

[Dawg61]

The core problem here is you failing to understand what RPI is attempting to do and how it is accomplished...

No the core problem is that I have an OPINION that you don't agree with. That's fine. My opinion is that it is more difficult to make the NCAA tournament in basketball than in baseball for an SEC school. We don't and won't agree on everything.

[CadaverDawg]

No the core problem is that I have an OPINION that you don't agree with. That's fine. My opinion is that it is more difficult to make the NCAA tournament in basketball than in baseball for an SEC school. We don't and won't agree on everything.

You ****ed up now**

[smootness]

Well thought out message, thank you. The teams that make it in are not the problem and I'm not necessarily saying there is a problem YET but let me ask you a question Smoot. Which in your opinion is more difficult to do, be a 12-6 SEC basketball team and not make the tournament or be a 14-16 SEC baseball team and make the tournament (we had 2 14-16 teams make it this year)?

It all depends on the quality of the conference in that given year. If the SEC was as bad as it's ever been in basketball and an absolute bear in baseball, it might be easier to get into the baseball tourney at 14-16.

If the SEC was decent in basketball and not as good as normal in baseball, it would absolutely be easier to make it in at 12-6 in basketball.

I don't believe, btw, that it's tougher to be 1-4 in basketball than 7-10 in baseball. I think we have more good baseball programs than we do basketball programs. The #7 program in baseball has already done the work to establish themselves as a good baseball program; they aren't granted that simply by being in the SEC. Just as the #6 basketball program is only an average basketball program, they haven't been able to build themselves up as a good program yet; again, they aren't denied anything just because they're in the SEC.

[Dawg61]

they aren't denied anything just because they're in the SEC.

Then how does the team that goes 12-6 and only losses to the top 4 teams get in? Teams 6-14 will have bad RPI's and won't help them. They must then schedule a top 25 OOC and win those games to get in. A tougher task than the #10 team in baseball must accomplish.

[smootness]

Then how does the team that goes 12-6 and only losses to the top 4 teams get in? Teams 6-14 will have bad RPI's and won't help them. They must then schedule a top 25 OOC and win those games to get in. A tougher task than the #10 team in baseball must accomplish.

If those top 4 teams are all really, really good, then they don't have to go crazy OOC to get in. If any of those top 4 aren't all that great, then #5 probably isn't that great, either, even at 12-6.

I promise you if they have 6 losses against top 20 RPI teams and beat everybody else in conference, and then schedule halfway decent in the non-conference schedule and don't slip up, they'll be fine.

[Dawg61]

If those top 4 teams are all really, really good, then they don't have to go crazy OOC to get in. If any of those top 4 aren't all that great, then #5 probably isn't that great, either, even at 12-6.

I promise you if they have 6 losses against top 20 RPI teams and beat everybody else in conference, and then schedule halfway decent in the non-conference schedule and don't slip up, they'll be fine.

Hope so because if by some miracle in the next 4 years we can finish #5 in basketball I fear that we will not be fine and we'll get left in the cold but why worry about that because that ain't happening any year soon.

[engie]

You ****ed up now**

Lock it up!!11!1

[engie]

Then how does the team that goes 12-6 and only losses to the top 4 teams get in? Teams 6-14 will have bad RPI's and won't help them. They must then schedule a top 25 OOC and win those games to get in. A tougher task than the #10 team in baseball must accomplish.

When in history has this happened? That team gets in 100% of the time assuming they didn't go sub 500 in the noncon.

You are STILL not understanding RPI and how it relates in all of this. Instead delving into theoretical situations that have never happened a single time in the history of the conference.

[smootness]

Let me ask you another question, Dawg61. Do you think it's harder for Florida to make the NCAA Tournament in basketball than it is for Tennessee to make it in baseball?

[Dawg61]

Let me ask you another question, Dawg61. Do you think it's harder for Florida to make the NCAA Tournament in basketball than it is for Tennessee to make it in baseball?

Bad comparison. Florida has been dominant in basketball since Donovan took over. They are a top 10 maybe top 5 basketball program. Tennessee doesn't give a shit about baseball. They are attempting to act like they give a shit by hiring Serrano and I do expect them to be back in very soon. They also went to Omaha in 2005. Bad comparison.

[smootness]

Bad comparison. Florida has been dominant in basketball since Donovan took over. They are a top 10 maybe top 5 basketball program. Tennessee doesn't give a shit about baseball. They are attempting to act like they give a shit by hiring Serrano and I do expect them to be back in very soon. They also went to Omaha in 2005. Bad comparison.

It's not a bad comparison. It proves that you can't make blanket statements without looking at the quality of individual teams/leagues.

It is easier for Florida to make the tournament in basketball because they're a better basketball program. In reality, though, both programs have the same chance. It's easier for South Carolina to make it in baseball than it is for them to make it in basketball.

But it proves that if you're good enough in basketball, you can easily make the tournament, just like good baseball programs easily make the tournament. There are just far more Florida's in the SEC in baseball than there are in basketball.

[Dawg61]

But it proves that if you're good enough in basketball, you can easily make the tournament, just like good baseball programs easily make the tournament. There are just far more Florida's in the SEC in baseball than there are in basketball.

Thanks for wasting half a day to prove my point. There are far more Florida's in the SEC in baseball than there are in basketball making it FAR MORE EASIER TO MAKE THE NCAA TOURNAMENT IN BASEBALL THAN IN BASKETBALL FOR AN SEC SCHOOL. It is much easier to build a great baseball program in the SEC than a basketball program. That's it. That's all I'm saying. To make the NCAA tournament FOR AN SEC TEAM ONLY is much easier in baseball than it is in basketball. Someone grab a shotgun and shoot my head off please.

[smootness]

Thanks for wasting half a day to prove my point. There are far more Florida's in the SEC in baseball than there are in basketball making it FAR MORE EASIER TO MAKE THE NCAA TOURNAMENT IN BASEBALL THAN IN BASKETBALL FOR AN SEC SCHOOL. It is much easier to build a great baseball program in the SEC than a basketball program. That's it. That's all I'm saying. To make the NCAA tournament FOR AN SEC TEAM ONLY is much easier in baseball than it is in basketball. Someone grab a shotgun and shoot my head off please.

Yet another facepalm. That is not your point. It is easier for a good program to make it than for a bad program. The fact that there are more good baseball programs is the reason more SEC teams make it in baseball, not because it's inherently easier. As Florida has proven, if you are good in basketball, it is just as easy for you to make it from the SEC. But you have to be good. There are not many good programs in the SEC in basketball. In the past, there were more good basketball programs in the SEC, thus why more teams made the tournament every year.

So, let me ask this - is it easy for Georgia to make the NCAA tournament in baseball? Clearly it isn't. Why? They're in the SEC, it should be easy. Oh, right, because they themselves are not good. That's all it comes down to - conference affiliation means nothing when it's time to pick the teams who make it in.

[Dawg61]

Georgia in the last ten years has made the NCAA baseball tournament 5 times and made it to Omaha 3 TIMES!! Including being the National Runner Up in 2008. Georgia in basketball has been to the NCAA tournament twice in the last ten years and one of those they had to win the SEC Tournament to get the auto-bid. It's easier to make it in baseball for SEC schools. Just agree with me please and we can end this debate. Forever.

[smootness]

Georgia in the last ten years has made the NCAA baseball tournament 5 times and made it to Omaha 3 TIMES!! Including being the National Runner Up in 2008. Georgia in basketball has been to the NCAA tournament twice in the last ten years and one of those they had to win the SEC Tournament to get the auto-bid. It's easier to make it in baseball for SEC schools. Just agree with me please and we can end this debate. Forever.

Well, my example sucked haha. But no, it is not inherently easier for anyone to make the tournament in baseball over basketball. It all comes down to how good the team is, as has been said a million times.

[engie]

Georgia in the last ten years has made the NCAA baseball tournament 5 times and made it to Omaha 3 TIMES!! Including being the National Runner Up in 2008. Georgia in basketball has been to the NCAA tournament twice in the last ten years and one of those they had to win the SEC Tournament to get the auto-bid. It's easier to make it in baseball for SEC schools. Just agree with me please and we can end this debate. Forever.

triple facepalm

68 of 349 make the basketball tourney. That's 19.5% of teams that make the tournament.
64 of 302 make the baseball tourney. That's 21.1% of teams that make the tournament.

It's 1.6% easier to make the tournament in baseball. There. Proof that "it's easier in baseball."

Both tournaments involve about the 50 best teams and a bunch of autobids. 50 BEST TEAMS. That's the key word. Overcomplicating it down to individual situations is negligible and redundant. Every time the SEC had one of the 50 best teams, they got in the basketball and baseball tournaments, with about an equal number of legitimate gripes in each sport.

[Coach34]

How in the mother-****ing-**** is this thread still going????

[Dawg61]

How in the mother-****ing-**** is this thread still going????

Lol I'm partial to blame here, sorry