Any thoughts on the Michael Sam Kiss on ESPN...

[Goat Holder]

Some of yalls kids will start off way behind in this world.

Why? All he said was that he will teach his kids that they don't have to agree with certain lifestyles. Aren't YOU sort of being the intolerant one here.

[Martianlander]

Fishwater =I believe you started a hot topic here. I'm glad to see so many Christians step up to the plate that can express themselves much better than I can.

[CadaverDawg]

I won't stay in this long, but here are my thoughts....

If my best friend cheated on his wife, I would tell him how much I disapprove of what he did....but I would still be his friend because we all make mistakes and who am I to judge.

I feel the same way about homosexuals. If I have a homosexual friend that asks me what I think of his being gay, I will tell him that I disapprove of that lifestyle....but I will still be his friend and not hold that over his head, bc who am I to judge.

Now, if my friend started bragging and holding press conferences about how he cheated on his wife....It would piss me off and I would tell him that he is wrong for making it a spectacle. Same goes for the homosexual friend.

It's kind of like needing an emergency surgery, and the nurse coming in and saying "well, I must tell you that your doctor is gay". Is that going to keep me from letting him do the surgery? Hell no. And it's also information that didn't need to be shared with me in the first place, because I don't give a shit about your sex life or sexual orientation. So in other words, it's not a big deal if homosexuals don't make a spectacle of it.

And just because I don't share your same viewpoint, doesn't make me wrong for mine. "Equality" and "judging" someone works both ways.....Something the liberal and homosexual crowd seem to forget while bashing and judging those that don't agree with them.

[whosyourdawgy]

Some of yalls kids will start off way behind in this world.

Ennis, it sounds like you think we should all be bowing down to you. Damn you must be an asshole to be around. One of those always has to be right guys that thinks you are better than everybody else. You have got to be a "closet" Rebel. I have now read all 10 pages of this bullshit and there are some screwed up views on both sides of this fence on this board. But these are all of your opinions, and everyone is entitled to their own. My thoughts are that I believe in Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. That is my opinion, how I was raised, and what I believe! I hold no ill will toward gays, lesbians, and whatever the rest of that new politically correct term is. I have gay friends who I respect and admire for the people that they are. Doesn't mean that I agree with what goes on behind closed doors. I think that this 3 to 5 percent of the entire US population takes up way more than 3 to 5 percent of the news, tv shows, and movies out there. You can about name more shows on tv now that have the token gay person in it than you can shows that don't. Again, 3 to 5 percent of the entire US population is gay. Damn that small percentage has a LOUD voice

As far as the Michael Sam story goes, he and his agent were extremely smart in him coming out and creating this whirlwind before the draft. He would not have been drafted if he weren't gay period. He may have been the co-SEC player of the year on defense, and he earned that with his play on the field. But he is a true tweener. He has no true position in the NFL. He's too slow to be a linebacker and not big enough or strong enough to play with his hand down on the line. Every expert out there basically said this. Bill Polian said it best during the draft in the later rounds, teams always go for the numbers guys (meaning 40 times, bench press, vertical jump) with the later round picks and then go for the heart and effort guys in free agency. Polian said that Sam fell into this category. Now back to him being drafted and the cameras there. It had to be set up. The raw emotion he showed when the call came was actually great tv. I didn't even really mind the little smooch with his little tiny boy toy. But who the FREAK has a cake cutting on their draft day and proceeds to act like its wedding cake and smear it all over his face and then kiss it off for the world to see. This is all ESPN getting ratings, period! I would be willing to bet that none of the other 200 plus players did anything remotely similar to this and probably go back in the history of the draft and never see it either. This was all for show and to generate buzz on all their shows. It was about making Michael Sam a spectacle. And it worked. Dude is gonna get rich for being gay. He isn't gonna get rich because he is a football player. This will go down as one of the greatest player marketings of all time. Whoever his agent is, I bet all the big sports agent companies are trying to hire him away.

[shoeless joe]

Is your definition of "sex" contingent on procreation? Because, if so, there are lots of hetero couples who just "hump".

And you're absolutely wrong with homosexual tendencies in animals, especially the Bonobos. Yes dominance is a factor with some species, but for many, it's much more.

I'm using "hump" as a term referring to the thrusting of hips. Like when a dog mounts the shoulder of another dog and goes to town.

I am no bonobo expert but have quite a bit of experience in ecological and animal sciences and I have never seen nor read where a male of any species purposely has actual intercourse with another male.

The natural world has natural laws that are followed in nature. Unless divinely created, humans are subject to those same laws of nature.

[BeardoMSU]

I won't stay in this long, but here are my thoughts....

If my best friend cheated on his wife, I would tell him how much I disapprove of what he did....but I would still be his friend because we all make mistakes and who am I to judge.

I feel the same way about homosexuals. If I have a homosexual friend that asks me what I think of his being gay, I will tell him that I disapprove of that lifestyle....but I will still be his friend and not hold that over his head, bc who am I to judge.

Now, if my friend started bragging and holding press conferences about how he cheated on his wife....It would piss me off and I would tell him that he is wrong for making it a spectacle. Same goes for the homosexual friend.

It's kind of like needing an emergency surgery, and the nurse coming in and saying "well, I must tell you that your doctor is gay". Is that going to keep me from letting him do the surgery? Hell no. And it's also information that didn't need to be shared with me in the first place, because I don't give a shit about your sex life or sexual orientation. So in other words, it's not a big deal if homosexuals don't make a spectacle of it.

And just because I don't share your same viewpoint, doesn't make me wrong for mine. "Equality" and "judging" someone works both ways.....Something the liberal and homosexual crowd seem to forget while bashing and judging those that don't agree with them.

How is having a monogamous loving relationship with 1 other person the same as cheating on your wife? You see, one of those things is someone being a shitty person and cheating on his wife, while the other is a person just wanting to be with the person he/she loves. Those don't compute.

[CadaverDawg]

How is having a monogamous loving relationship with 1 other person the same as cheating on your wife? You see, one of those things is someone being a shitty person and cheating on his wife, while the other is a person just wanting to be with the person he/she is attracted to. Those don't compute.

No, they're both a sin according to my beliefs. Again, you don't have to feel the same way, but it doesn't make me wrong or you right

[BeardoMSU]

No, they're both a sin

Ah, ok. So, cheating on your wife, and/or breaking up another marriage, is the same as a man wanting to marry another man? Awesome.

[Bully13]

great post cadaver. not to mention the silicon valley CEO who was fired recently over donating $1,000 to a DOMA organization back in the time even barry himself was saying he thought a marriage should be between a man and a woman. chick filet outrage. those 2 twins who do good things with housing for the less fortunate on that t.v. show just got fired. all that crap with duck dynasty . the left winged blood hounds are sniffing around every nook and cranny to "out" anyone whose not "modern" enough for them. we are not out asking for heads to roll, the left is. they are the ones looking to destroy businesses (they needed to add another to their many other methods) and get people fired. I bet the left would even consider re-evaluating capital punishment if it could just be used exclusively for those against gay marriage.

[CadaverDawg]

Ah, ok. So, cheating on your wife, and/or breaking up another marriage, is the same as a man wanting to marry another man? Awesome.

Is a white lie the same as murdering someone? No. But it doesn't make them NOT both sins.

[BeardoMSU]

great post cadaver. not to mention the silicon valley CEO who was fired recently over donating $1,000 to a DOMA organization back in the time even barry himself was saying he thought a marriage should be between a man and a woman. chick filet outrage. those 2 twins who do good things with housing for the less fortunate on that t.v. show just got fired. all that crap with duck dynasty . the left winged blood hounds are sniffing around every nook and cranny to "out" anyone whose not "modern" enough for them. we are not out asking for heads to roll, the left is. they are the ones looking to destroy businesses (they needed to add another to their many other methods) and get people fired. I bet the left would even consider re-evaluating capital punishment if it could just be used exclusively for those against gay marriage.

A'hem....I'll just leave this here for you.
http://action.afa.net/Detail.aspx?id...93&mobile=true

[Esmerelda Villalobos]

I quit reading this because this argument only goes one way every time...but i did pick back up on this page for some reason and this post is absolutely wrong.

Animals don't have homosexual sex...they do "hump" other animals both male and female to show dominance.

It is quite telling that the side that wants to agree with absolute science in every single other aspect to disprove some religious beliefs now wants to go completely against science to disprove those same religious beliefs.

Omg? Do you know anything about animals and polygomy?

Arguing science with a thumper is like talking compound physics with a redneck from SoSo

[Esmerelda Villalobos]

Ennis, it sounds like you think we should all be bowing down to you. Damn you must be an asshole to be around. One of those always has to be right guys that thinks you are better than everybody else. You have got to be a "closet" Rebel. I have now read all 10 pages of this bullshit and there are some screwed up views on both sides of this fence on this board. But these are all of your opinions, and everyone is entitled to their own. My thoughts are that I believe in Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. That is my opinion, how I was raised, and what I believe! I hold no ill will toward gays, lesbians, and whatever the rest of that new politically correct term is. I have gay friends who I respect and admire for the people that they are. Doesn't mean that I agree with what goes on behind closed doors. I think that this 3 to 5 percent of the entire US population takes up way more than 3 to 5 percent of the news, tv shows, and movies out there. You can about name more shows on tv now that have the token gay person in it than you can shows that don't. Again, 3 to 5 percent of the entire US population is gay. Damn that small percentage has a LOUD voice

As far as the Michael Sam story goes, he and his agent were extremely smart in him coming out and creating this whirlwind before the draft. He would not have been drafted if he weren't gay period. He may have been the co-SEC player of the year on defense, and he earned that with his play on the field. But he is a true tweener. He has no true position in the NFL. He's too slow to be a linebacker and not big enough or strong enough to play with his hand down on the line. Every expert out there basically said this. Bill Polian said it best during the draft in the later rounds, teams always go for the numbers guys (meaning 40 times, bench press, vertical jump) with the later round picks and then go for the heart and effort guys in free agency. Polian said that Sam fell into this category. Now back to him being drafted and the cameras there. It had to be set up. The raw emotion he showed when the call came was actually great tv. I didn't even really mind the little smooch with his little tiny boy toy. But who the FREAK has a cake cutting on their draft day and proceeds to act like its wedding cake and smear it all over his face and then kiss it off for the world to see. This is all ESPN getting ratings, period! I would be willing to bet that none of the other 200 plus players did anything remotely similar to this and probably go back in the history of the draft and never see it either. This was all for show and to generate buzz on all their shows. It was about making Michael Sam a spectacle. And it worked. Dude is gonna get rich for being gay. He isn't gonna get rich because he is a football player. This will go down as one of the greatest player marketings of all time. Whoever his agent is, I bet all the big sports agent companies are trying to hire him away.

I didnt get past where you said adam and eve, not adam and steve. That automatically makes you an idiot

[BeardoMSU]

Is a white lie the same as murdering someone? No. But it doesn't make them NOT both sins.

And apparently working on Sunday, wearing clothes of different materials, eating pork and shellfish, gluttony, short hair, tattoos, tattered clothing, a garden with "mingled seeds", etc. etc. I could go on and on....

Leviticus is the literary equivalent to Buzz Killington.

[Churchill]

I think Sam is a little "gayer" than the NFL bargained for and now they`ve got a full blown (no pun intended) mess on their hands. Couldn`t happen to a nicer group.

[CadaverDawg]

And apparently working on Sunday, wearing clothes of different materials, eating pork and shellfish, gluttony, short hair, tattoos, tattered clothing, a garden with "mingled seeds", etc. etc. I could go on and on....

Leviticus is the literary equivalent to Buzz Killington.

Not sure where you got all that crap. Sounds like a deflection attempt to avoid having to say, "well, you're right". But that's ok.

It's a lot like your homosexual animal posts....you're having to stretch awfully far to try and back a point that you claim is so obvious

[BeardoMSU]

I didnt get past where you said adam and eve, not adam and steve. That automatically makes you an idiot

Its ANCHOR-MAN, NOT ANCHOR-LADY, AND THAT IS A SCIENTIFIC FACT!!!!!!

[BeardoMSU]

Not sure where you got all that crap. Sounds like a deflection attempt to avoid having to say, "well, you're right". But that's ok.

I'm not deflecting anything, Cadaver. I was merely point out the absurd amount of ridiculous "sins" that were apparently written in a book that is without flaws. I mean, if you wanted to, you could just say: "well, you're right...culture isn't in stasis...it changes....as do the norms that are placed on society....". But that's ok.

[Bully13]

A'hem....I'll just leave this here for you.
http://action.afa.net/Detail.aspx?id...93&mobile=true

sorry but I missed this story, a synopsis would be appreciated if you are so inclined.

[CadaverDawg]

I'm not deflecting anything, Cadaver. I was merely point out the absurd amount of ridiculous "sins" that were apparently written in a book that is without flaws. I mean, if you wanted to, you could just say: "well, you're right...culture isn't in stasis...it changes....as do the norms that are placed on society....". But that's ok.

Unless you suddenly grew a mangina next to your penis...your "changes" and "evolution" when it comes to homosexuality over time still make no sense. Sorry. We can agree to disagree, but nature and several other things are strongly on my side in this debate, and no "get with the modern times" mess is going to change that.