Any thoughts on the Michael Sam Kiss on ESPN...

[OldFatDog]

All excellent points and I agree. Nobody is discriminated against more than the conservative Christian in today's United States.

Always cracks me up when someone makes this statement. Within five miles of my house there are at least 7 large conservative Christian churches. There are probably more but that is off the top of my head. Cite an example of this alleged discrimination. Michael Sam kissing his boyfriend is not an example of conservative Christians being discriminated against. It is an example of conservative Christians not being allowed to discriminate.

[PMDawg]

I could have done without it, and all the "media hype".

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/12/us/mic...kiss-reaction/

I am not sure he will make the Rams roster.

It was staged and contrived for TV purposes. It was a spectacle. I'm just aggravated that every piece of coverage from the draft is centered around the 259th pick of the draft just because he's gay and he staged a kiss for ESPN (at their direction, I'm sure).

I don't understand their thinking. They want to be treated equally and not be made a spectacle, then they make spectacles of themselves. Just like all this "coming out" like it's some big deal. You're gay? Just be gay, don't hide it. We'll figure it out on our own. I have some gay friends. None of them "came out". When they started dating people of the same sex, we all figured it out, went "oh", and moved on about our business. If it's not supposed to be a big deal any more, then stop making it a big ****ing deal.

[West Houston Dog]

ESPN just couldnt mention him too much the other day. Obama calls him. The national media loves him. My homepage here at work is MSN, who cant post too many gay articles every day anyways, has THE KISS prominently displayed.

If you are gay ...fine. I wish no harm and wish you well.... but i am TIRED of the national media ramming this issue down our throats(no pun intended) over and over and over again. ENOUGH...MOVE ON from the advocacy on this issue.....

If you look at it from the point of football...the guy is just an average NFL player. No other player around his draft position get near the attention. So, the real question is, does he get attention for being a great player or because he is gay? We all know the answer. Does SportsCenter show the guy picked before him or after him kissing his girlfriend? Of course not! Why would they? If there is Any way the media can portray this choice as "normal" they will jump all over it. The only thing that is considered offensive to people today is Christian Values and Decency!

[drunkernhelldawg]

It was staged and contrived for TV purposes. It was a spectacle. I'm just aggravated that every piece of coverage from the draft is centered around the 259th pick of the draft just because he's gay and he staged a kiss for ESPN (at their direction, I'm sure).

I don't understand their thinking. They want to be treated equally and not be made a spectacle, then they make spectacles of themselves. Just like all this "coming out" like it's some big deal. You're gay? Just be gay, don't hide it. We'll figure it out on our own. I have some gay friends. None of them "came out". When they started dating people of the same sex, we all figured it out, went "oh", and moved on about our business. If it's not supposed to be a big deal any more, then stop making it a big ****ing deal.

You still refuse to get it. Lovers kiss in public all the time. Are they always making a spectacle of themselves? It's about the end of the double standard. It's not about the media; it's about people.

[sandwolf]

is it a coincidence the Rams signed Him. Would have been worse if the Packers did***

Hahaha

[PMDawg]

You still refuse to get it. Lovers kiss in public all the time. Are they always making a spectacle of themselves? It's about the end of the double standard. It's not about the media; it's about people.

Lol. Wow. This conversation is obviously waaaaay over your head. I can't believe you ACTUALLY thought that would be a good response. Holy cow...

[msstate7]

You still refuse to get it. Lovers kiss in public all the time. Are they always making a spectacle of themselves? It's about the end of the double standard. It's not about the media; it's about people.

So if the #248 pick (Ahmad Dixon) kissed his girlfriend, it would be newsworthy too?

[sandwolf]

I don't understand their thinking. They want to be treated equally and not be made a spectacle, then they make spectacles of themselves. Just like all this "coming out" like it's some big deal. You're gay? Just be gay, don't hide it. We'll figure it out on our own. I have some gay friends. None of them "came out". When they started dating people of the same sex, we all figured it out, went "oh", and moved on about our business. If it's not supposed to be a big deal any more, then stop making it a big ****ing deal.

Completely agree.

[Original48]

Agree with whoever said he wouldn't have had a camera on him if he wasn't gay. Very contrived and forced. My concern is Dan Patrick who continually refers to Sam as a 'sack specialist'.

[Boodawg]

I'll be honest, I thought it was pretty gross, but I would rather not watch anyone kissing. And, I am not Gay.

[PMDawg]

You still refuse to get it. Lovers kiss in public all the time. Are they always making a spectacle of themselves? It's about the end of the double standard. It's not about the media; it's about people.

Let me bring you up to speed. That wasn't PDA, that was ESPN putting 40 cameras on the guy and saying "when we point to you, kiss like you'll never see each other again" and then having them look awkward and contrived when the camera comes on.

PDA on the other hand, is natural, not planned or forced. Like the gay couple my wife and I sat next to at Ruth's Chris a couple months ago. They touched and kissed some just like any other couple out on a date. No problem. Or when my family was at disney during gay week. Lots of PDA there. No problems. All the "hey, I'm gay, look at me!!!" bullshit (like this was) is annoying. Especially when you're complaining about being treated differently out the other side of your mouth.

[shoeless joe]

So if the #248 pick (Ahmad Dixon) kissed his girlfriend, it would be newsworthy too?

Exactly...

[spiritual_machine2005]

Sorry folks...but it is history. First openly gay NFL draftee. It WILL be a news story and rightfully so.

Or maybe the first black woman to stand up to segregation by refusing to move to the back of the bus should have been skimmed over in history class?
Maybe women's right to vote should be just a footnote as well?

Sorry...you might not agree with it, but it is a land mark moment and will be treated as such in the media.

[Bully13]

I agree Boo, I'd rather not watch anyone making out. But there is one thing that many on here will not admit and I'm going to do it and I know I'll get trashed by some who want to see who can be the king liberal on the board. God gave all of us emotions that sometimes cannot be explained. They were not taught to us. just natural instincts. and the fact of the matter is, the majority of heterosexual males finds two men kissing as disgusting. I can't explain why but we do. and I'll give some of the libs on the board some extra ammo to trash me. I'm not bothered by "girls gone wild" when they make out. call me a hypocrite all day long. frankly I don't give a damn. I do not seek to hurt gay people's feelings. I would never say anything to their face that would be rude. I don't avoid being around them, working with them or anything like that. I don't make it a point to avoid them. They are welcomed at my table. I'll have a drink with them and break bread with them as I have done plenty of times in the past. I DON'T want to see them making out. I find it disturbing and disgusting. In a way, I wish those emotions were not in me but there is nothing I can do to change who I am or what rattles my chains.

I guess there is a reason God made men the way he did. he works in mysterious ways. If gay people want respect from mainstream America, they need to show some respect for us as well and I see very little of that from the gay community these days and the left winged folks who want us to ignore who WE really are as well.

[LiterallyPolice]

Lol. Wow. This conversation is obviously waaaaay over your head. I can't believe you ACTUALLY thought that would be a good response. Holy cow...

Wow. That was about as generic a retort as it gets.

You say it shouldn't be a big deal anymore.... Well guess what? They are still being denied the rights of straight couples. If you were in that situation, would you pipe down?

What is hard to understand about this? If you simply want the issue to go away and don't care one way or the other... You should advocate gay rights. Wanting the issue to simply "go away" with no change is saying the status quo is acceptable, which is decidedly anti-gay rights. So instead of tip-toeing around the issue, just say what you mean.

Please respond to this with more substance than the quote above.

[dogshiek]

The coverage for a seventh round pick is waay overblown. He totally bombed at the combines. He'll never make the squad.

[blacklistedbully]

For those of us who are Christian, we view homosexuality as a sin. Therefore, as Christians, it is not discriminatory of us to disapprove, as we would any sin, including the numerous ones we commit ourselves. Yet is is wrong, IMO to take judgment in our own hands and punish those who are gay. Leave it to God.

I think most of us don't have a personal problem with someone being gay (assuming it's not our own family). We just have a problem with it being foisted upon us by a community and/or media eager to have it considered "normal" or "main-stream". For Christians it is neither of those. You might as well try to convince us it's also OK to have open and public cheating on your spouse. We know a lot of married folks do that, but it's still wrong according to our beliefs.

Personally, I think what gay people do is between them and God. I don't look down my nose at them, I just consider what they are doing to be a sin. But I do resent being preached to by those eager to promote homosexuality as normal. When people try to force it upon me as anything less than a sin, it is in direct conflict with my religious beliefs, therefore I am offended, just as I am by atheists intent to remove any and all reference of God from the public.

[LiterallyPolice]

I agree Boo, I'd rather not watch anyone making out. But there is one thing that many on here will not admit and I'm going to do it and I know I'll get trashed by some who want to see who can be the king liberal on the board. God gave all of us emotions that sometimes cannot be explained. They were not taught to us. just natural instincts. and the fact of the matter is, the majority of heterosexual males finds two men kissing as disgusting. I can't explain why but we do. and I'll give some of the libs on the board some extra ammo to trash me. I'm not bothered by "girls gone wild" when they make out. call me a hypocrite all day long. frankly I don't give a damn. I do not seek to hurt gay people's feelings. I would never say anything to their face that would be rude. I don't avoid being around them, working with them or anything like that. I don't make it a point to avoid them. They are welcomed at my table. I'll have a drink with them and break bread with them as I have done plenty of times in the past. I DON'T want to see them making out. I find it disturbing and disgusting. In a way, I wish those emotions were not in me but there is nothing I can do to change who I am or what rattles my chains.

I guess there is a reason God made men the way he did. he works in mysterious ways. If gay people want respect from mainstream America, they need to show some respect for us as well and I see very little of that from the gay community these days and the left winged folks who want us to ignore who WE really are as well.

This is an honest post that makes several good points. I would just say that there are all kinds of things on TV that I think are seriously F'ed up. Stories and very graphic imagery involving gore, torture, rape etc. I watch SVU and I'm like.... man.... Who finds this enjoyable? So I guess the point is that I just change the channel and do my best to avoid things that make me cringe. I don't think it is wrong or unnatural if you like gore, etc. Many people do. I just chalk it up to folks being different.

[Boodawg]

Also, I don't remember the last time I saw a couple make out in public. A peck here and there maybe, but not making out or swapping spit. I'd be embarrassed to make out in public. It should be a private thing. Also, when I make out with my Wife, it's time to go to the bedroom.

[CadaverDawg]

It was staged and contrived for TV purposes. It was a spectacle. I'm just aggravated that every piece of coverage from the draft is centered around the 259th pick of the draft just because he's gay and he staged a kiss for ESPN (at their direction, I'm sure).

I don't understand their thinking. They want to be treated equally and not be made a spectacle, then they make spectacles of themselves. Just like all this "coming out" like it's some big deal. You're gay? Just be gay, don't hide it. We'll figure it out on our own. I have some gay friends. None of them "came out". When they started dating people of the same sex, we all figured it out, went "oh", and moved on about our business. If it's not supposed to be a big deal any more, then stop making it a big ****ing deal.

Yep