Big Picture for MSU Football

[Todd4State]

1. Our offense is actually pretty good. We're averaging 31.5 PPG going into the Egg Bowl. That's similar to Dan in 2016 and 2017. In SEC play, we are tied with Alabama for 7th in the league at 26.9 PPG in SEC games only. We're doing that with a brutal schedule, basically no offensive line aside from Albert Reese, and a QB that PFF doesn't like. What's going to happen when KT is ready and we actually have an offensive line and an easier schedule? Now, if we hire an OC or an assistant head coach to help Lebby, I can run with that. Get Joe Jon Finley and let's go.

2. Our defense was doing OK and looked improved until the last 2-3 weeks or so ago. Right now we are last in the SEC in PPG allowed in SEC games only. As you all know I am very patient and more than fair with coaches but it's time to make some changes here. Like the entire staff. I don't want any of them back. If we bring in a new defensive staff to go along with an OC, I can run with that for next year as long as it's a quality DC. Could be Durkin, Ron Roberts, or anyone that is good.

3. Cliff Odom. Bye. I actually think special teams is the worst unit of the three. Lebby needs to go out and get a legit ST coach.

4. Continue to build NIL and bring in better players and we should be good.

As the Mandalorian says- This is the way.

[TrapGame]

Spot on Todd. Agree with everything.

We are one missed field goal and two roughing the passer penalties from being 8-3 right now. That is with a below average OL and DL.

Yes, Lebby has made some boneheaded decisions but we had some players make some costly blunders that had nothing to do with coaching.

[parabrave]

Poach Ole miss Oline when Lane leaves.

[Maroon Glasses]

Nice post. Agree with it all.

Imagine what our offense could look like with an average O Line. It would be one of the best in the country.

Defense use to be what our team was built on. I would love to get back to those days. Just mean, aggressive, and looking for contact. Hutlzer ha to go. Last year was our red flag but I understand why we kept him.

[Quaoarsking]

Spot on Todd. Agree with everything.

We are one missed field goal and two roughing the passer penalties from being 8-3 right now. That is with a below average OL and DL.

Yes, Lebby has made some boneheaded decisions but we had some players make some costly blunders that had nothing to do with coaching.

All that tells me is that all the dooming is overblown, and with a competent coach we'll still be able to compete. Florida and Texas spent way more money than us, and the vast majority of FBS coaches would have beaten both if they'd coached us this year.

[Cowbeller]

Hoping we prioritize offensive line spending. KT, Fluff, and AE3 with a competent OL unit will get us to the promise land.

[TrapGame]

Hoping we prioritize offensive line spending. KT, Fluff, and AE3 with a competent OL unit will get us to the promise land.

Pay for an above average DL and OL with some quality depth and we will look a completely different team next year.

[Dawgface]

Sniff sniff…..optimism? I forgot what it smelled like.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Pay for an above average DL and OL with some quality depth and we will look a completely different team next year.

We need to go out and find a LEGIT LT and find at least two more OL pieces. We also are going to have to replace Brenen and need someone with real speed to do that. Other than that we'll need either a legit veteran P4 QB or a high level backup, depending on how Kamario looks and how the staff feels about where he's at developmentally. Then we need to pour everything else into Defense. You're looking at a cost of around probably somewhere between 7-9 mil to procur that talent and then you're looking at probably 13-17 to keep our current roster in tact. Kamario will potentially be bumped well over a mil, Fluff will get a nice bump, I imagine Ant will be mid 6 figures, Issac won't be cheap if he decides to return. All in total we're probably looking at 20-26 mil to bring in what we need to take that next step.

[Todd4State]

One other thing to note- a new defensive staff could bring some of their players with them potentially. Welcome to the portal era!

[Coach34]

All that tells me is that all the dooming is overblown, and with a competent coach we'll still be able to compete. Florida and Texas spent way more money than us, and the vast majority of FBS coaches would have beaten both if they'd coached us this year.

Dude- we are not firing Lebby. It's not even being considered. You are so far away from where the decision-makers are its hilarious. He will probably get extended after the season because of the progress we made this season. This is how far off you are right now

[Quaoarsking]

Dude- we are not firing Lebby. It's not even being considered. You are so far away from where the decision-makers are its hilarious. He will probably get extended after the season because of the progress we made this season. This is how far off you are right now

I've posted "we're not firing Lebby" so many times over this past month. Try to keep up. I am very aware that we're going to do what Auburn, Florida, and Arkansas did last year and give our lame duck 1 more year to keep sucking and then fire him after another losing record next year. It is what it is, sadly.

[Brobi-wan]

We need to go out and find a LEGIT LT and find at least two more OL pieces. We also are going to have to replace Brenen and need someone with real speed to do that. Other than that we'll need either a legit veteran P4 QB or a high level backup, depending on how Kamario looks and how the staff feels about where he's at developmentally. Then we need to pour everything else into Defense. You're looking at a cost of around probably somewhere between 7-9 mil to procur that talent and then you're looking at probably 13-17 to keep our current roster in tact. Kamario will potentially be bumped well over a mil, Fluff will get a nice bump, I imagine Ant will be mid 6 figures, Issac won't be cheap if he decides to return. All in total we're probably looking at 20-26 mil to bring in what we need to take that next step.

That’s the party that concerns me. Will we even be anywhere near that?

[Coach34]

Here is what you are missing- he's not remotely even being considered to be a lame duck. Lots of people are happy with the program making progress. Most consider this season a success.

When you spend at the bottom of the SEC- and have this kind of year- its encouraging.

[Quaoarsking]

Here is what you are missing- he's not remotely even being considered to be a lame duck. Lots of people are happy with the program making progress. Most consider this season a success.

Two years ago you were sucking off Arnett until the morning we fired him, insisting that we probably weren't firing him, that the boosters were happy, and that in the unlikely event we did consider a change, it would definitely be after the season.

Excuse me for not thinking you're well plugged in to what the real power brokers think.

[HoopsDawg]

Two years ago you were sucking off Arnett until the morning we fired him, insisting that we probably weren't firing him, that the boosters were happy, and that in the unlikely event we did consider a change, it would definitely be after the season.

Excuse me for not thinking you're well plugged in to what the real power brokers think.

I thought you said you were going to shut up after the Arkansas win.

[StarkVegasSteve]

That’s the party that concerns me. Will we even be anywhere near that?

That's where the buy in has to happen. It's why an Egg Bowl win would do wonders. You could probably raise 2-3 mil on the day alone, and I'm probably being conservative on that number. There's some big money people that care WAY MORE about beating Ole Miss than they should. But that could work to our advantage that day.

[Coach34]

Two years ago you were sucking off Arnett until the morning we fired him, insisting that we probably weren't firing him, that the boosters were happy, and that in the unlikely event we did consider a change, it would definitely be after the season.

Excuse me for not thinking you're well plugged in to what the real power brokers think.

Thats not even close to being true. I just thought we would wait till the end of the year to fire him. I enjoyed Arnett way more than watching the Airbone week after week. We could have run the wishbone and I would have enjoyed it more. I love Metallica- hate Nothing Else Matters. 5FDP is my favorite modern band- cant stand Death Punch Therapy

What I am saying is that its not my opinion on this- people with real money arent considering firing Lebby and see the progress we have made. He will only be in trouble next year if he doesnt get in a bowl game- as he should be in Y3

[StarkVegasSteve]

Thats not even close to being true. I just thought we would wait till the end of the year to fire him. I enjoyed Arnett way more than watching the Airbone week after week. We could have run the wishbone and I would have enjoyed it more. I love Metallica- hate Nothing Else Matters. 5FDP is my favorite modern band- cant stand Death Punch Therapy

What I am saying is that its not my opinion on this- people with real money arent considering firing Lebby and see the progress we have made. He will only be in trouble next year if he doesnt get in a bowl game- as he should be in Y3

That last statement is 100% the truth. The big money people (McKinnis, Howard, Rula, Seal, Clark, Cleveland, etc) are not even remotely considering pulling the plug. I think they will push for staff changes, but overall changes in the head chair are not happening.

[Todd4State]

That last statement is 100% the truth. The big money people (McKinnis, Howard, Rula, Seal, Clark, Cleveland, etc) are not even remotely considering pulling the plug. I think they will push for staff changes, but overall changes in the head chair are not happening.

And again big picture here. If we had fired Hutzler after we went 2-10 I think it would have been more difficult to attract a legit DC here. And especially last year with so little coaching movement. There are going to be some really quality DC potentially available this cycle like Durkin, Golding, Ron Roberts, etc.

I think we also need to see what Joe Judge can do as the head coach of a college program. My hope is that he ends up somewhere like Tulane or Memphis. I want to see what his staff looks like. Is he going to hire Freddie Kitchens or is he going to hire someone like Mack Leftwich? How does he handle the portal and high school recruiting?

That way if Lebby flames out next year we know what we would be getting with Judge. And if Lebby does well he is going to get hired away in a few years and we'll still know what we have in Judge as well. Win/Win.