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Shapen listed as probable today
which means he is starting Saturday. Bet accordingly
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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Our chances of winning went down
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Originally Posted by
KOdawg1
Our chances of winning went down
If the Ark D line is as good as everyone says, I concur.
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Yeah, Lebby said straight up if he was healthy then he would start.
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Our best option, like C34 has said since Saturday, is that they both play. Which they will. We need Shapen to play well. We need quick hitters from him to open up the deep shots. That then opens up the run game.
I also would not be surprised to see Kamario have a designed pass in the game, or given two plays and depending on where the D is, go with the designed pass.
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Originally Posted by
StarkVegasSteve
Our best option, like C34 has said since Saturday, is that they both play. Which they will. We need Shapen to play well. We need quick hitters from him to open up the deep shots. That then opens up the run game.
I also would not be surprised to see Kamario have a designed pass in the game, or given two plays and depending on where the D is, go with the designed pass.
I agree. I think we should play Shapen about 65% of the time and KT 35%. Start Shapen. Let Kamario sit back and learn and do so without the pressure of being the starter now. When Shapen starts to wig out or get hurt, that's when we switch it up and bring in KT.
Reese is also likely to play- and that makes a big difference and it will buy Shapen a little more time and it will help the running game too.
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And with the glaring hole at LT and Shapens tendency to hang on to the ball for 7 seconds while standing still; i see nothing but good things with him back there.
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Originally Posted by
parabrave
And with the glaring hole at LT and Shapens tendency to hang on to the ball for 7 seconds while standing still; i see nothing but good things with him back there.
In the last game Shapen was sacked 1 more time than KT. And by the way, Shapen has already been sacked 31 times- 6 more than he has any season of his career and we still have two games left.
Our issue isn't Shapen. It isn't him holding onto the ball too long. And it sure as hell isn't his lack of mobility. It's our offensive line absolutely sucks. And KT's lack of accuracy offsets the production from his legs relative to what Shapen gives us in terms of accuracy.
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Like I said with the glaring hole at LT. And he has taken some helicious blindside hits this year and one more like last weeks hit might do some serious damage.
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Originally Posted by
parabrave
Like I said with the glaring hole at LT. And he has taken some helicious blindside hits this year and one more like last weeks hit might do some serious damage.
Most of those are due he doesn't step up in the pocket. He makes himself a sitting duck. I would hate to be a lineman for him.
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
In the last game Shapen was sacked 1 more time than KT. And by the way, Shapen has already been sacked 31 times- 6 more than he has any season of his career and we still have two games left.
Our issue isn't Shapen. It isn't him holding onto the ball too long. And it sure as hell isn't his lack of mobility. It's our offensive line absolutely sucks. And KT's lack of accuracy offsets the production from his legs relative to what Shapen gives us in terms of accuracy.
KT hasn't been sacked once. Shapen was sacked twice against UGA.
30% of the time Shapen gets pressured he gets sacked. 5th highest in the nation. Which means he absolutely sucks at feeling pressure and escaping pressure. I don't care how bad or good your OL is, if you're that bad at those two things you're going to get sacked a lot.
KT isn't inaccurate. That's just a not even close to true. You come off the bench cold and try to throw. He was fine was the game settled in.
Shapen has turned the ball over 10 times in SEC play and only accounted for 8 TDs. It's insane that anyone thinks he's anything other than a scrub that can occasionally hit a deep shot throw.
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
which means he is starting Saturday. Bet accordingly
My motivation to watch has been reduced.
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Originally Posted by
CoachT14
KT hasn't been sacked once. Shapen was sacked twice against UGA.
30% of the time Shapen gets pressured he gets sacked. 5th highest in the nation. Which means he absolutely sucks at feeling pressure and escaping pressure. I don't care how bad or good your OL is, if you're that bad at those two things you're going to get sacked a lot.
KT isn't inaccurate. That's just a not even close to true. You come off the bench cold and try to throw. He was fine was the game settled in.
Shapen has turned the ball over 10 times in SEC play and only accounted for 8 TDs. It's insane that anyone thinks he's anything other than a scrub that can occasionally hit a deep shot throw.
I can’t call him a scrub but if both play and one gets hot, you got to go with the hot hand. You also have to ask yourself who gives us a better chance against that MO defense and their great pass rush against our crap OL. Maybe we get Reese back but this game just doesn’t seem to setup well for Shapen. He holds the ball too long and it doesn’t look like that is ever going to change.
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Originally Posted by
CoachT14
KT hasn't been sacked once. Shapen was sacked twice against UGA.
30% of the time Shapen gets pressured he gets sacked. 5th highest in the nation. Which means he absolutely sucks at feeling pressure and escaping pressure. I don't care how bad or good your OL is, if you're that bad at those two things you're going to get sacked a lot.
KT isn't inaccurate. That's just a not even close to true. You come off the bench cold and try to throw. He was fine was the game settled in.
Shapen has turned the ball over 10 times in SEC play and only accounted for 8 TDs. It's insane that anyone thinks he's anything other than a scrub that can occasionally hit a deep shot throw.
Excuses, excuses, excuses...
KT is less accurate than Shapen. He just is at this point. It's 57% right now. Shapen is in the 60's. And that's with a much more limited play book. KT will surpass him when he knows where the wide receivers are going and isn't throwing the ball in the stands to no one in particular or air mailing hitch routes.
And yes, KT was sacked one time against Georgia. He also has been tackled behind the LOS several times but no one mentions that either because of some made up bullshit about how mobility makes you Superman.
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
Excuses, excuses, excuses...
KT is less accurate than Shapen. He just is at this point. It's 57% right now. Shapen is in the 60's. And that's with a much more limited play book. KT will surpass him when he knows where the wide receivers are going and isn't throwing the ball in the stands to no one in particular or air mailing hitch routes.
And yes, KT was sacked one time against Georgia. He also has been tackled behind the LOS several times but no one mentions that either because of some made up bullshit about how mobility makes you Superman.
KT wasn't sacked. He hasn't been sacked yet.
KT has thrown 19 passes. That number is extremely skewed.
I love how you conveniently ignored the large amount of turnovers your boy has.
Here's some stats for you, when pressured:
Shapen - 42.9% | 339 Passing Yards | 2 TDs | 4 INTs | PFF OFF: 37.2 | Pass: 42.9 | Run: 42.9 | Fumble: 24.9 | Passer Rating: 45.6
KT - 66.7% | 110 Passing Yards | 2 TDs | 0 INTs | PFF OFF: 86.7 | Pass: 75.7 | Run: 76.2 | Fumble: 65.6 | Passer Rating: 149.3
You know since our OL sucks so bad and all, maybe play the QB that can actually handle the pressure.
KT has 34 carries and 200 Yards rushing with 5 TDs.
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ESPN qbr rates a qb's running ability. Shapen is rated at -3.9 (122/131 qualifiers).
Since KT isn't qualified, you can't get the individual ratings that make up the total qbr. I would imagine his running ability is pretty high though considering his overall rating of 93.4. For reference, Shapen is 60.1 (65th), and sayin of Ohio state is #1 at 91.1.
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
ESPN qbr rates a qb's running ability. Shapen is rated at -3.9 (122/131 qualifiers).
Since KT isn't qualified, you can't get the individual ratings that make up the total qbr. I would imagine his running ability is pretty high though considering his overall rating of 93.4. For reference, Shapen is 60.1 (65th), and sayin of Ohio state is #1 at 91.1.
According to PFF Shapen's Run Grade is a 44.1 and his Fumble grade is a 42.4. He has 7 fumbles on the year.
KT on the other hand has an 86.1 Run Grade and a 77.9 Fumble grade with 0 fumbles.
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Originally Posted by
CoachT14
According to PFF Shapen's Run Grade is a 44.1 and his Fumble grade is a 42.4. He has 7 fumbles on the year.
KT on the other hand has an 86.1 Run Grade and a 77.9 Fumble grade with 0 fumbles.
Nice stats
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