Sunday Morning QB With SVS-Jimmys and Joes Still Matter More Than Xs and Os

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yesterday went how you expect games with talent gaps to go. UGA did whatever they wanted with the ball on offense and, sans the first drive, did whatever they wanted to on defense. Injuries are really starting to mount for us and that could be a concern moving forward.

1. I thought Shapen played ok. The first drive was a thing of beauty. We were perfectly tempo?d and even with the sack he makes a great dump off to West that got us back in front of the sticks. I thought the 2nd and 3rd drives were the killers for us. We get a false start the first play of the second drive and then get a BS chop block penalty. On the 3rd drive after the fumble, Evans is held on a double move that is a 95 yd TD. On that same drive Shapen takes a costly sack looking for Thompson, who came open at the end. He then fumbles on a scramble 2 plays later. Shapen had no time but did not do himself any favors either. The hit backside, which is not his fault but some will say it is, looked like it dislocated his shoulder.

2. If you are going to make the switch, you do it this week. Kamario was ok yesterday. His youth showed as much as his athleticism did. But if your line is going to suck, like ours does, you need someone back there that is more run threat than pass threat anyways. He is that. He made a good pass to Thompson, and actually underthrew him a bit, and made a good pass in the intermediate to Thompson as well. He also was closer to my buddy in the Gridiron Club than Anthony Evans when it was 17-7 and Evans had a step for a TD, damn near hit Lebby trying to throw a swing to Ayden, and threw an off target deep ball into double coverage. He is a freshman though. That will happen. Right now, he reminds me of Joe Milton. And you can win the last two with Joe Milton. You can also lose them. I thought for the most part the coaches kept it simple one read stuff with him. You are going to have to open it up more the next two weeks if you make the move.

3. I personally hold Shapen out this week and go to Kamario. If he struggles you go back to Shapen and if he thrives you give Golding and Co. a ton to think about.

4. We need to go back to Booth being the feature back. Fluff is not healthy and he is a between the tackles back. With how our line is, we do not need a between the tackles back. That was a bad drop on the 4th down by Bothwell. We can get into was it a good idea to call it or not another time but it was a bad drop.

5. I thought their pressure kept our WRs from really getting into the flow. Credit to them on that. I am becoming more and more impressed with Sam West as the weeks go on. I think he has a chance to be a big part of the offense next year.

6. Our O Line is crap. Unfortunately the die was cast on that well before Phil Loadholt. Bad evals by Leach, Arnett, and even Lebby have us in this situation. Add in injuries and you have the line we have. Young, out of position, and just not very cohesive.

7. DL looked like the DL of 2024 yesterday. No pressure and no push. We have to get better there in the portal. I know Lebby hates changing up the staff, but it is time for David Turner to go.

8. The LB group and DB group can kind of be lumped together. Kelley Jones is really talented and Brumfield can play at this level. The rest are depth guys in the DB room. Our LB room is just young. Jalen Smith and Lockhart are going to be really good but are not there. The injury to Isaac is a major concern. No way around that. Thought Tony played well in his absence though.

9. We desperately need a win. The national media continually talks about how much we have improved but our own fan base is out because we lost to the number 5 team in the country. Thankfully the people who actually make a difference in NIL donations do not think like the $5 fans who want to tell Lebby the play call with their $60 a year contribution.

10. We also need a win because if we lose next week, Ole Miss is probably going to make DWS Vaught Hemingway East on Black Friday. And that goes back to buy in. The University has given this fanbase everything they have wanted. They wanted to go away from the Block M and go to the script? They got it. They wanted an improved team? They got it. They wanted LED lights? They got it. They wanted to go away from the script and to the interlocking? They got it. At some point, our fans have to do their part. THEY HAVE TO SHOW UP. You can miss your plate of Thanksgiving leftovers and get your ass to DWS on Black Friday. You can even drive back after the game so complaining about hotels cannot be an argument. Of course I am sure the argument now is that the tickets are too expensive and they do not want to sit in the upper deck. Somehow OM fans find a way. We need to start finding the same way.


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[Todd4State]

Well said! Joe Milton is the perfect comparison to KT at this point. Thankfully KT is a freshman and will likely get much better and the comparisons will be to other QB's.

And 110% on the last point. Personally, I drive 5 hours and got up at 3:30 AM to get to work after attending the game. If I can do it everyone else can.

[LC Dawg]

The amount of opposition fans in our stadium is one of the most disappointing things about this season. The Egg Bowl could be ugly.

[EdwardDrayton]

Spot on game recap. Stick to that and leave out the fan comments. That is not unifying and likely does not reflect the majority.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Spot on game recap. Stick to that and leave out the fan comments. That is not unifying and likely does not reflect the majority.

It unfortunately does represent the majority. And I will say this is not a new thing, this has been happening for the last seven or eight years. It boils down to people made it a priority to come to ball games in the Mullen era and now they do not. And look, how you spend your money is completely up to you. I am not going to begrudge anybody because they would rather go hunting, watch the game at home, or something else. But when people complain about our stadium being taken over by opposing fan bases I’m going to call it out for what it is. Buy in does not get your stadium taken over by whatever fan base you are playing. Unified is being 100% bought in. Our fan base is not 100% bought in. And now the new reason is going to be because Kamario is not starting.

This goes back to a point I have made 100 times, our fan base looks for reasons not to come and not to donate. Other fan bases look for reasons to come and for reasons to donate.

[Coursesuper]

Spot on game recap. Stick to that and leave out the fan comments. That is not unifying and likely does not reflect the majority.

The truth is many times hard to hear but that doesn?t make any of his comments less relevant. We have to show up, period, that is our part of the equation. The administration is doing its part it?s time to reciprocate.

[Coursesuper]

It unfortunately does represent the majority. And I will say this is not a new thing, this has been happening for the last seven or eight years. It boils down to people made it a priority to come to ball games in the Mullen era and now they do not. And look, how you spend your money is completely up to you. I am not going to begrudge anybody because they would rather go hunting, watch the game at home, or something else. But when people complain about our stadium being taken over by opposing fan bases I’m going to call it out for what it is. Buy in does not get your stadium taken over by whatever fan base you are playing. Unified is being 100% bought in. Our fan base is not 100% bought in. And now the new reason is going to be because Kamario is not starting.

This goes back to a point I have made 100 times, our fan base looks for reasons not to come and not to donate. Other fan bases look for reasons to come and for reasons to donate.

That is an almost perfect description of the situation.

[EdwardDrayton]

It unfortunately does represent the majority. And I will say this is not a new thing, this has been happening for the last seven or eight years. It boils down to people made it a priority to come to ball games in the Mullen era and now they do not. And look, how you spend your money is completely up to you. I am not going to begrudge anybody because they would rather go hunting, watch the game at home, or something else. But when people complain about our stadium being taken over by opposing fan bases I’m going to call it out for what it is. Buy in does not get your stadium taken over by whatever fan base you are playing. Unified is being 100% bought in. Our fan base is not 100% bought in. And now the new reason is going to be because Kamario is not starting.

This goes back to a point I have made 100 times, our fan base looks for reasons not to come and not to donate. Other fan bases look for reasons to come and for reasons to donate.

It's your pulpit. You of course can preach your opinion from it.

[Todd4State]

If I were MSU I would delay selling any unused tickets until a day or two before the games. I know that's bad business but I think that's the only solution really.

[EdwardDrayton]

The truth is many times hard to hear but that doesn?t make any of his comments less relevant. We have to show up, period, that is our part of the equation. The administration is doing its part it?s time to reciprocate.

Knew you'd be coming in short order to back up the narrative.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It's your pulpit. You of course can preach your opinion from it.

Well the bury your head in the sand and act like there is no problem approach is not working. We have a fractured fan base. Only a true sunshine pumper would tell you differently. NIL was where the fractures began. Cohen started dividing the fan base telling people football did not need NIL. He convinced Leach it was not needed so that baseball could take the funds. That is truly where this fracture started. John Cohen. He truly was the worst thing to ever happen to our athletic dept.

[StarkVegasSteve]

If I were MSU I would delay selling any unused tickets until a day or two before the games. I know that's bad business but I think that's the only solution really.

I do not disagree. We have to do something to combat our stadium being taken over by literally EVERY SEC fanbase that we play. Because I doubt season ticket sales will be any better this offseason to combat some of that issue. Because let me tell you, it may have started as faculty selling their tickets, but it is WAY more than faculty now.

[EdwardDrayton]

Well the bury your head in the sand and act like there is no problem approach is not working. We have a fractured fan base. Only a true sunshine pumper would tell you differently. NIL was where the fractures began. Cohen started dividing the fan base telling people football did not need NIL. He convinced Leach it was not needed so that baseball could take the funds. That is truly where this fracture started. John Cohen. He truly was the worst thing to ever happen to our athletic dept.

We each know where the other stands on this subject so no point in belaboring. Let's get back to being MSU fans together and talking how we get a sixth win and bowl eligible in the next two games.

[Coursesuper]

Knew you'd be coming in short order to back up the narrative.

This is not a narrative, just look up the road. That is what buy in looks like. From a booster class down to Earl at the tire store in Sebastopol they are bought in and showing up. They unlike us are able to get everyone on the same sheet of music while we bitch about the next new perceived affront to what we and our buddies want . We have for a short time had things together and it was a great time for us. But in the end our pettiness and division reared it head and stuck us with the worst AD since Dudy Noble and here we sit, at the bottom bitching about why we suck.

[msstate7]

1. The false start was a killer, but the chop block was declined so it didn't change anything.

I love KT, but the decision to bring him in on 1st and 15 in Georgia territory was bad. I still want him getting 2-4 series a game, but never on a 1st and longer than 10.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We each know where the other stands on this subject so no point in belaboring. Let's get back to being MSU fans together and talking how we get a sixth win and bowl eligible in the next two games.

I agree and would love nothing more than that. I just do not see us all coming together in two weeks and creating a unified front to have one goal: Show Up, Be Loud, and Cheer for the 11 players on the field in Maroon and White(no matter who it is).

[StarkVegasSteve]

1. The false start was a killer, but the chop block was declined so it didn't change anything.

I love KT, but the decision to bring him in on 1st and 15 in Georgia territory was bad. I still want him getting 2-4 series a game, but never on a 1st and longer than 10.

I did not agree with bringing him in at all right there, but was ok with it on 1st and 10. Shapen was moving us. We bring Kamario in, immediately get a false start, and then get a 2 yd gain. We were now behind the sticks. We should have went back to Shapen after the false start.

[msstate7]

I did not agree with bringing him in at all right there, but was ok with it on 1st and 10. Shapen was moving us. We bring Kamario in, immediately get a false start, and then get a 2 yd gain. We were now behind the sticks. We should have went back to Shapen after the false start.

I wasn't watching, but matt Wyatt said they ran KT out after the false start

[EdwardDrayton]

1. The false start was a killer, but the chop block was declined so it didn't change anything.

I love KT, but the decision to bring him in on 1st and 15 in Georgia territory was bad. I still want him getting 2-4 series a game, but never on a 1st and longer than 10.

Gotta play Shapen against Missouri if he's healthy. We will need some semblance of a passing game to loosen Missouri's aggressive and physical defense. We will need a somewhat balanced offense to win.

[TrapGame]

Starting Kamario against Mizzou should be a no brainer. Shapen took a huge hit Saturday and he will not be anywhere near 100% by Saturday.

I also like Kamario's skills to offset this Mizzou defense. Our OL is too beat up and sloppy to give an injured Shapen enough time to make a pass.

Kamario in the game means you have to spy him. That's an extra hat not in coverage on someone. We could get Fluff or Booth in the flat potentially uncovered.