Sunday Morning QB With SVS-Pain Is Part Of The Process

[StarkVegasSteve]

Well yesterday sucked. There is no way around that feeling. I was pissed and quite frankly am still pissed. If I made this post last night, number 1-8 would have been why we needed to fire Lebby.

1. Yesterday is on Lebby and Shapen, and is a lot more on the Shapen than Lebby. Jeff called a great game yesterday. I mean we had, by my count, three TDs that we missed. Blake overthrew Thompson on one, he led him too far inside on the next drive, and then he just straight overthrew Glover in the back of the end zone. Now, saying that, Jeff is responsible for the last play. That was a god-awful play call no matter which way you look at it. Just center the ball and let Ferrie either win or lose the game. Now, Blake did play well at times. I thought he made some really good throws and had a really good run on the last drive. But you cannot make that throw.

2. There is not going to be a QB change and there is no QB controversy. It was good to see Kamario get in yesterday and even score a TD, but if we went to him as the QB our playbook would shrink to about 10 plays. He just cannot make the throws yet. And it is not an armed talent issue. It is a he cannot progress things and read things fast enough at this stage issue.

3. I thought Booth ran hard and played really well. He had 22 carries and he needed 24 carries. We need to get Gayten on the edge and stop making him a between the tackles runner. There were times where you could tell we missed Fluff yesterday.

4. Thompson and Evans were absolutely incredible. I liked what I saw out of Williams yesterday, I don?t know how you overturn that TD but at the end of the day it didn?t matter because we scored still. Shapen cost Glover a touchdown though. I was really impressed by what I saw out of him yesterday. We need to get him going a little more.

5. I thought the line blocked fine. A couple of the sacks were not on them Shapen just holds the ball too long.

6. DL was pretty good again. They did not get a whole lot of rush, but they stepped up on the last drive when it counted.

7. LB was a little hit and miss. Tillman gave them 30 yards on one drive and he is out for the first half next week. But again, like the DL, they stepped up when it counted and made a stop. They do need to fit on runs a little bit better

8. I was really impressed with the DB room yesterday. They held Wilson in check and a lot of credit goes to Jones on that. We did allow some big plays, but they were never really out of position. Really really impressed with Lanier. He made a great jump on the first interception and honestly had he not dove on the second one I think he takes it to the house.

9. Pulliam has been great in the punt game. He is a real weapon out there for us right now.

10. Ferrie got screwed. The first field goal was good and Lebby just screwed up, not giving him a chance to kick the game winner.

11. We all owe Coleman Hutzler a massive apology. Everyone, including myself, thought it was asinine to keep him, but the improvement out of his defense has been absolutely incredible. They have played well enough for us to be 6-1.

12. Like I said earlier, last night I was pissed and I wanted to fire Lebby, but now that I?ve calmed down, I realize how big of a mistake that would be. First off, if you do it this year, they are going to be at minimum three other SEC jobs open and possibly two or three more. Also, Jeff called a hell of a game. You cannot get mad at him and be pissed about the last play call and not give him credit for the other 65. He put us in position to win that game. He called a hell of a game. That is again where it falls on Shapen. The losing sucks and it doesn?t make the pain any easier but you can tell we are miles better.

13. We still need everyone on board. You can be pissed about yesterday and that is OK because I think we all are. But you cannot jump ship or abandon ship at this point. We still need everyone rowing in the same direction because that?s how this all gets fixed.

Keep the fight, keep the faith, 17 Texas, and HailState

PS: never go back to the script. The interlocking looked incredible.

[Coursesuper]

Amen.

[TrapGame]

Fantastic post. 100% agree.

[MetEdDawg]

Yesterday's hurt worse than any loss I can remember in the last decade. I was fully invested yesterday and had the rug ripped out from under in another brutal way.

This game was lost in the first half. We had multiple chances to kill the crowd, take a big lead, and bury them early. We missed in every single one of the opportunities outside of the first drive.

Just a little more consistency and we blow them out yesterday. We are much closer, but it's frustrating that we could be 6-1 right now

[DownwardDawg]

Well yesterday sucked. There is no way around that feeling. I was pissed and quite frankly am still pissed. If I made this post last night, number 1-8 would have been why we needed to fire Lebby.

1. Yesterday is on Lebby and Shapen, and is a lot more on the Shapen than Lebby. Jeff called a great game yesterday. I mean we had, by my count, three TDs that we missed. Blake overthrew Thompson on one, he led him too far inside on the next drive, and then he just straight overthrew Glover in the back of the end zone. Now, saying that, Jeff is responsible for the last play. That was a god-awful play call no matter which way you look at it. Just center the ball and let Ferrie either win or lose the game. Now, Blake did play well at times. I thought he made some really good throws and had a really good run on the last drive. But you cannot make that throw.

2. There is not going to be a QB change and there is no QB controversy. It was good to see Kamario get in yesterday and even score a TD, but if we went to him as the QB our playbook would shrink to about 10 plays. He just cannot make the throws yet. And it is not an armed talent issue. It is a he cannot progress things and read things fast enough at this stage issue.

3. I thought Booth ran hard and played really well. He had 22 carries and he needed 24 carries. We need to get Gayten on the edge and stop making him a between the tackles runner. There were times where you could tell we missed Fluff yesterday.

4. Thompson and Evans were absolutely incredible. I liked what I saw out of Williams yesterday, I don?t know how you overturn that TD but at the end of the day it didn?t matter because we scored still. Shapen cost Glover a touchdown though. I was really impressed by what I saw out of him yesterday. We need to get him going a little more.

5. I thought the line blocked fine. A couple of the sacks were not on them Shapen just holds the ball too long.

6. DL was pretty good again. They did not get a whole lot of rush, but they stepped up on the last drive when it counted.

7. LB was a little hit and miss. Tillman gave them 30 yards on one drive and he is out for the first half next week. But again, like the DL, they stepped up when it counted and made a stop. They do need to fit on runs a little bit better

8. I was really impressed with the DB room yesterday. They held Wilson in check and a lot of credit goes to Jones on that. We did allow some big plays, but they were never really out of position. Really really impressed with Lanier. He made a great jump on the first interception and honestly had he not dove on the second one I think he takes it to the house.

9. Pulliam has been great in the punt game. He is a real weapon out there for us right now.

10. Ferrie got screwed. The first field goal was good and Lebby just screwed up, not giving him a chance to kick the game winner.

11. We all owe Coleman Hutzler a massive apology. Everyone, including myself, thought it was asinine to keep him, but the improvement out of his defense has been absolutely incredible. They have played well enough for us to be 6-1.

12. Like I said earlier, last night I was pissed and I wanted to fire Lebby, but now that I?ve calmed down, I realize how big of a mistake that would be. First off, if you do it this year, they are going to be at minimum three other SEC jobs open and possibly two or three more. Also, Jeff called a hell of a game. You cannot get mad at him and be pissed about the last play call and not give him credit for the other 65. He put us in position to win that game. He called a hell of a game. That is again where it falls on Shapen. The losing sucks and it doesn?t make the pain any easier but you can tell we are miles better.

13. We still need everyone on board. You can be pissed about yesterday and that is OK because I think we all are. But you cannot jump ship or abandon ship at this point. We still need everyone rowing in the same direction because that?s how this all gets fixed.

Keep the fight, keep the faith, 17 Texas, and HailState

PS: never go back to the script. The interlocking looked incredible.

Excellent

[Brobi-wan]

Next year is when our chance to really improve is. I think we all knew that with our incredibly bad 2 year stretch. It sucks to suck. It would have also sucked to have had a great team go to waste because our schedule was rough. I just want to win. While we will probably see Shapen the rest of the year, it?s discouraging that he?s that old and that bad.

[Bdawg]

Right on point with this one. If Shapen hits those plays the first half, they fold like cheap suit and we win going away and Lebby is genius and Shapen is great with over 400 passing and we have a receiver with 200+ and another with 100+. Shapen bears a lot of the blame to me. Lebby bears a lot on the last play. Lebby also bears the calls on 4 straight run plays, but if Shapen hits Thompson, we don’t see those 4 run plays.

[DEDawg]

Good point on Bothwell, we win that game yesterday if he plays. Gayten does not fumble and we probably have another rushing TD

[Bdawg]

Also, I thought the refs missed 2 targeting calls. I thought the DB hit Thompson with his forearm in the head or neck area in the end zone on the Shapen mis throw to the inside. The other was later in the game I brought up in the game thread. Also, I thought Reese was blocking till the whistle blew and the gator defender didn’t like it and he ripped his helmet off. Good on Reese for not retaliating there. Thought it should have been 15 on them and not us .

[basedog]

Very good post, I was impressed with the effort yesterday. I saw lots of improvements and eventually it will pay off. I'm speaking from my experience of being an ex Coach, being young and a HC most make mistakes. But you learn or good ones do and you move forward. Lebby is much better this year as are our players and team. If we were getting blown out, I would agree with msstate and cry like a baby demanding to fire Lebby, LOL kinda. Anyone who can't see the improvements are fooling themselves! Yes, we need to continue to improve and get better players.

As far as NIL, weird to think some think we don't have the money to compete but yet I see Texas. Tn and Florida and a few others with top NIL money but yet we are very close to them with team play. I'm not saying we are gonna beat Texas Saturday, but we could playing at home.

We are a work in progress and so is Lebby. I saw lots of good things yesterday but the worse thing was our last play call and last pass, it happens.

[TrapGame]

Good point on Bothwell, we win that game yesterday if he plays. Gayten does not fumble and we probably have another rushing TD

Ferrie makes the FG (which he did!), Gayten doesn't fumble that ball (and we put points on the board) and we win.

[Percho]

Amen.

Double up!

[Percho]

No pain, no gain.

I hope we gain a lot from yesterday.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Ferrie makes the FG (which he did!), Gayten doesn't fumble that ball (and we put points on the board) and we win.

The Gayten fumble was where things changed. We score there and I think they fold.

[Mjoelner34]

Ferrie makes the FG (which he did!), Gayten doesn't fumble that ball (and we put points on the board) and we win.

I'll add a couple more and this is what makes it so frustrating. Its like losing by 1 in basketball in a game where you miss 10 free throws.
1) Shapen hits Thompson
2) Shapen overthrow in back of endzone (This was the possession where Gayten fumbled correct?)
3) Roughing the QB on what would have been 4th and long but kept the drive alive for UF FG
4) Not missing the FG
5) Gayten fumble

[msstate7]

I'll add a couple more and this is what makes it so frustrating. Its like losing by 1 in basketball in a game where you miss 10 free throws.
1) Shapen hits Thompson
2) Shapen overthrow in back of endzone (This was the possession where Gayten fumbled correct?)
3) Roughing the QB on what would have been 4th and long but kept the drive alive for UF FG
4) Not missing the FG
5) Gayten fumble

Almost every sec game's outcome could be changed if a few plays went differently.

[Mjoelner34]

Almost every sec game's outcome could be changed if a few plays went differently.

True but we didn't need a few. All we needed was just 1 of those 5 to go right and they were all self-inflicted wounds.

[MStateME13]

Agree with this post. I thought the OL played well against a decent front and gave Shapen plenty of time for the most part, which I didn?t expect coming into the game. Too many missed opportunities, mostly at QB, killed us. If we continue on the trajectory Lebby has us on, we will get over the hump. The self-inflicted near misses are very frustrating right now though.

[TaleofTwoDogs]

With State, pain is always a part of the process. I'm ready for the meds to kick in.

[Todd4State]

Shapen needs to stop playing like a *****.

And I'll say this- we're close. And when that win comes it's probably coming in Starkville. Not on the road. And if you look at the rest of the SEC most of the games are one possession games. We're right there with everyone else even though one hasn't went our way yet.