Gameday Atmosphere

[KB21]

Not much. I know one of the reasons we can't chairback everything is the slope of the stadium.

I think there is a group of folks who harp on this that don't quite realize just what all needs to be done to the facility to make this happen. If we are going to do it, then we need to do it correctly. Don't just half ass put some LEDs and speakers up.

[StateDawg44]

That's fair. And maybe it truly is that we just don't win enough of the big ones. I mean I do find that hard to believe since we never really won on those marquee games with Dan either. I know Dan had a long talk with Lebby, Selmon, and Keenum all separately a couple of weekends ago. Maybe they picked his brain on what worked and what got the fan base involved. I mean Dan wasn't exactly a people person when he was here

Those years that Dan had us ticking UNTIL we had a marquee game. Then we got exposed and deflated.

Sure, stay undefeated through the first 5 or so games and get into your first major game and people buy in. But, with our history drop one early to a KY and fans start thinking nothing has changed.

Or go lay a goose egg against Bama and fans see that we will still crawl in a hole when we play them. What's new? Knowing we very likely will have to see them or someone of equal talent to actually do something.


ETA: Look at our women's soccer team attendance right now lol. I wonder what's happened differently this season. Did they add LED's? What about fancy uniforms or the logo the fans want on the field? Drone show? Concessions? Maybe the band is killing it?

[StateDawg44]

I think there is a group of folks who harp on this that don't quite realize just what all needs to be done to the facility to make this happen. If we are going to do it, then we need to do it correctly. Don't just half ass put some LEDs and speakers up.

How would you half ass put up LEDs?

[viverlibre]

As you can see by this thread, we have fans that bitch about SOO much that I don't think we ever get it back. It's the ADs fault. It's the president's fault. The uniforms aren't maroon enough. The stripe on the left shoulder sucks. The stripe on the right shoulder sucks. We wear white pants. We wear gray pants. Dorman Hall is visible on TV. We don't have an completely enclosed end zone. Recruit x is a pre madonna. Player x is a pre madonna. We throw too much. We run too much. Our coach's hat is stupid. Our coach wears a hat. Our coach wears a sweatshirt. Our coach wear a short-sleeve shirt. The band sucks. The stadium DJ sucks. The ads suck. The concession suck. It's neverending and tiresome. Yet our boards, FB, Twitter, and other forms of social media are FILLED with MSU "fans" that want to spew this crap CONSTANTLY

Yuup, it's crazy how negative our fans openly are. Recruits, parents, prospective students all read these comments.

OM fans moved past dissociating with the term, "Rebels" (a tradition/identity that was much more ingrained than any of ours) and there was certainly some blowback, but they moved past that fairly quickly and got on board, and there were some losing seasons during that time.

[StateDawg44]

Yuup, it's crazy how negative our fans openly are. Recruits, parents, prospective students all read these comments.

OM fans moved past dissociating with the term, "Rebels" (a tradition/identity that was much more ingrained than any of ours) and there was certainly some blowback, but they moved past that fairly quickly and got on board, and there were some losing seasons during that time.

Eh. Not sure on this one. And it certainly didn't happen quickly.

They had to change their mascot a couple of times to even start the process and that took several years. You think if they weren't forced to they would have changed it?

[Todd4State]

Those years that Dan had us ticking UNTIL we had a marquee game. Then we got exposed and deflated.

Sure, stay undefeated through the first 5 or so games and get into your first major game and people buy in. But, with our history drop one early to a KY and fans start thinking nothing has changed.

Or go lay a goose egg against Bama and fans see that we will still crawl in a hole when we play them. What's new? Knowing we very likely will have to see them or someone of equal talent to actually do something.


ETA: Look at our women's soccer team attendance right now lol. I wonder what's happened differently this season. Did they add LED's? What about fancy uniforms or the logo the fans want on the field? Drone show? Concessions? Maybe the band is killing it?

This is true. People want to be a part of something special. Beating people who we were supposed to beat became stale.

Look at 2014. That season and team blew up after we beat LSU. That definitely qualified as a special memorable win for MSU and the fans followed.

[viverlibre]

Eh. Not sure on this one. And it certainly didn't happen quickly.

They had to change their mascot a couple of times to even start the process and that took several years. You think if they weren't forced to they would have changed it?

Of course they wouldn't have changed it, but they did and the fanbase got on board. Can you imagine our fanbase accepting that change? We'd still be bitching and moaning about it 10 years later.

[Brobi-wan]

Yuup, it's crazy how negative our fans openly are. Recruits, parents, prospective students all read these comments.

OM fans moved past dissociating with the term, "Rebels" (a tradition/identity that was much more ingrained than any of ours) and there was certainly some blowback, but they moved past that fairly quickly and got on board, and there were some losing seasons during that time.

You can literally watch any other SEC game and see their atmosphere is better than ours from the ESPN suite. We?re just being realistic. This thread wasn?t meant to pump sunshine up anyone?s a$$. Some things need to change. It is what it is. There?s a reason our highest rated recruit is from Macon and we don?t have a 4 star QB from Utah on our roster and transfers from everywhere across the country, yet our school is very similar to the one that does. We don?t have a national brand because we refuse to create one.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Those years that Dan had us ticking UNTIL we had a marquee game. Then we got exposed and deflated.

Sure, stay undefeated through the first 5 or so games and get into your first major game and people buy in. But, with our history drop one early to a KY and fans start thinking nothing has changed.

Or go lay a goose egg against Bama and fans see that we will still crawl in a hole when we play them. What's new? Knowing we very likely will have to see them or someone of equal talent to actually do something.


ETA: Look at our women's soccer team attendance right now lol. I wonder what's happened differently this season. Did they add LED's? What about fancy uniforms or the logo the fans want on the field? Drone show? Concessions? Maybe the band is killing it?

They let students bring in beer. The soccer team has always had decent crowds, I mean it only takes 8-900 to quantify a decent crowd. Those are the types of athletic events that the citizens of Starkville always attend. I mean you act like they are pulling 5K, I think they had the biggest crowd in school history a couple of weeks ago and it was like 2100

[StateDawg44]

They let students bring in beer. The soccer team has always had decent crowds, I mean it only takes 8-900 to quantify a decent crowd. Those are the types of athletic events that the citizens of Starkville always attend. I mean you act like they are pulling 5K, I think they had the biggest crowd in school history a couple of weeks ago and it was like 2100

Haha my God, yes thanks for pointing that out. That is exactly my point. The biggest crowd in history at a soccer game.... because we are winning games. Because enough people want to be a part of it beer or not.

If we sucked do you honestly think allowing students to bring beer to the soccer games would be what convinced the students to come and they would've set that attendance record? Like that's what has been holding the soccer program's crowds back. Get real. I'm sure a few wouldn't have come without being able to drink beer but they likely wouldn't even consider it if they were a losing team.

The actual number the soccer team is pulling is totally irrelevant to the point I'm trying to make. They are setting attendance records is the point. And it's because we have a legit team. Not one that lets the fans in attendance down.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Haha my God, yes thanks for pointing that out. That is exactly my point. The biggest crowd in history at a soccer game.... because we are winning games. Because enough people want to be a part of it beer or not.

If we sucked do you honestly think allowing students to bring beer to the soccer games would be what convinced the students to come and they would've set that attendance record? Like that's what has been holding the soccer program's crowds back. Get real. I'm sure a few wouldn't have come without being able to drink beer but they likely wouldn't even consider it if they were a losing team.

The actual number the soccer team is pulling is totally irrelevant to the point I'm trying to make. They are setting attendance records is the point. And it's because we have a legit team. Not one that lets the fans in attendance down.

But again.....we were winning under Leach so why weren't people showing up? I mean soccer has beaten 3 ranked teams this year. Leach beat 2 in 2022 and 3 in 2021. So no, it's not just winning. That's what I'm trying to figure out. What's missing? Why can't we get people to come? Because I 1000% guarantee you every one of those people who go to the soccer games are also in Davis Wade because they're die hards for the university. They support the university no matter what. That's not the people I'm focusing on. I'm focusing on the people we have lost since 2010-2017. We've won since...had some pretty big wins actually. Same teams Dan beat. So what's the issue? Why did they stop coming? That's the entire point of the thread. And as I've said probably 10 times now, it's obviously not just winning. Hell we were 6-3 going into the UGA game in 2022 and it was 60/40 State to UGA in our own stadium.

And to tie that back to this year and next, I mean look we may not be great next year. 6-6 or 7-5 could be the ceiling even with a revamped roster. Are we still going to have 45K at every game? or 55K with 25K being the opposing fan base? I mean are people just not going to come back until we're 10-2? You can't just wait for us to win to say well now why aren't people coming. You have to get them in the stadium now and next year to start getting a home field advantage again. I harken back to that old Dan Mullen quote, It's not win first and the fans show up, fans show up and start believing in the program and the wins will come." Well right now we've got to give them something to get them there and make them want to come back, even in these lean years.

[Brobi-wan]

But again.....we were winning under Leach so why weren't people showing up? I mean soccer has beaten 3 ranked teams this year. Leach beat 2 in 2022 and 3 in 2021. So no, it's not just winning. That's what I'm trying to figure out. What's missing? Why can't we get people to come? Because I 1000% guarantee you every one of those people who go to the soccer games are also in Davis Wade because they're die hards for the university. They support the university no matter what. That's not the people I'm focusing on. I'm focusing on the people we have lost since 2010-2017. We've won since...had some pretty big wins actually. Same teams Dan beat. So what's the issue? Why did they stop coming? That's the entire point of the thread. And as I've said probably 10 times now, it's obviously not just winning. Hell we were 6-3 going into the UGA game in 2022 and it was 60/40 State to UGA in our own stadium.

And to tie that back to this year and next, I mean look we may not be great next year. 6-6 or 7-5 could be the ceiling even with a revamped roster. Are we still going to have 45K at every game? or 55K with 25K being the opposing fan base? I mean are people just not going to come back until we're 10-2? You can't just wait for us to win to say well now why aren't people coming. You have to get them in the stadium now and next year to start getting a home field advantage again. I harken back to that old Dan Mullen quote, It's not win first and the fans show up, fans show up and start believing in the program and the wins will come." Well right now we've got to give them something to get them there and make them want to come back, even in these lean years.

Some people who sat behind me early in the year literally said, “Well glad I know we’re terrible before I show up to every game won’t catch me here for awhile.” That’s not the type of mentality we need to fill the stadium.

[MoreCowbell]

The program has been in steady decline since September 29, 2018

[Ranchdawg]

Another piece of the puzzle is the NIL and transfer rules that are currently ruining college football. People I talk to why should they buy season tickets when we are not able to purchase the players that Bama, Georgia, Texas and Texas A&M purchase. If you do not have the horses to run the race you are seldom going to win. Currently we have nags to run the race.

Look at Ole Miss they are packing their stadium because they were preached to repeatedly that they were going to at the very least make the playoffs and possibly play for a Natty. They also spent so much money for their coach and the players they purchased that is not sustainable. Kiffen in the future will want more and more money to stay there. They even borrowed money to buy players all for this one big push to win. Look what this got them. A strong possibility that they won’t make the playoffs this year. Then what are they going to do next year and the next?

[parabrave]

Another piece of the puzzle is the NIL and transfer rules that are currently ruining college football. People I talk to why should they buy season tickets when we are not able to purchase the players that Bama, Georgia, Texas and Texas A&M purchase. If you do not have the horses to run the race you are seldom going to win. Currently we have nags to run the race.

Look at Ole Miss they are packing their stadium because they were preached to repeatedly that they were going to at the very least make the playoffs and possibly play for a Natty. They also spent so much money for their coach and the players they purchased that is not sustainable. Kiffen in the future will want more and more money to stay there. They even borrowed money to buy players all for this one big push to win. Look what this got them. A strong possibility that they won’t make the playoffs this year. Then what are they going to do next year and the next?

Well another reason VH is packed is because of the party atmosphere. Hell I know a bunch of girls who go to other schools who go to the OM games for that one reason. They make a weekend out of it.

[EdwardDrayton]

Have been to almost every home game as a season ticket holder for approximately 55 consecutive years, 8 to 12 people strong and every game this year to the bitter end now 7 losses in a row. People around me know we won't win and the "D" can't get a stop. We have forced 1 punt in the last two games. We are 1-11 in our last SEC games. Majority of all fans come to see a interesting, competent, competitive team that can stay in the game past the 1st quarter and win more than they lose. All the extra "fluff" in the world won't fill seats without this! BTW: Toledo Embarrassment at Home! Stadium was emptying mid 1st quarter and about as many Arky fans there at the end as State fans.

And Toledo is 5-3 (2-2) on the year with losses to Buffalo, Western KY and Bowling Green. 7th out of 12 in the MAC. And dare I say at risk of the football gods raining further hellish wrath on us, Toledo beat UMass 38-23.

[Mjoelner34]

Yuup, it's crazy how negative our fans openly are. Recruits, parents, prospective students all read these comments.

OM fans moved past dissociating with the term, "Rebels" (a tradition/identity that was much more ingrained than any of ours) and there was certainly some blowback, but they moved past that fairly quickly and got on board, and there were some losing seasons during that time.

They didn't really disassociate anything. All they did was quit playing Dixie and get Colonel Reb off of the sidelines. Their PA announcer still blares "Your Ole Miss Rebels" when they take the football field or basketball court, Rebel Rags ads are shown on their jumbotrons and I'm pretty sure they still have 'Rebels' across the front of one of their baseball jerseys.

[EdwardDrayton]

He was on the shortlist when Trump won in 2016 so I would presume he would be this time around as well. However, the chances are far less now. He has one kid who is a freshman at State and his other kids are in high school at Starkville Academy. If he was going to take it, he would have in 2016.

Commuting back and forth to DC every week is a very viable option in this day & time so ......... I'm all for it. ******

[R2Dawg]

Those years that Dan had us ticking UNTIL we had a marquee game. Then we got exposed and deflated.

Sure, stay undefeated through the first 5 or so games and get into your first major game and people buy in. But, with our history drop one early to a KY and fans start thinking nothing has changed.

Or go lay a goose egg against Bama and fans see that we will still crawl in a hole when we play them. What's new? Knowing we very likely will have to see them or someone of equal talent to actually do something.


ETA: Look at our women's soccer team attendance right now lol. I wonder what's happened differently this season. Did they add LED's? What about fancy uniforms or the logo the fans want on the field? Drone show? Concessions? Maybe the band is killing it?

This thread is what happens anytime a program is losing. It has to be this other stuff. Not saying to not do some other stuff but let the main thing be the main thing. Put the big rocks in the jar first. Whatever analogy you like.

Just win and all is good. We could play in a cow pasture in a top 5 team and fans would show up in hay wagons to watch and never complain - AKA baseball - leftfield lounge. WBB when Vic was here. Why did we pack the Hump? Just win.

Why are fans showing up to womens soccer? Because we are #1 and a threat to win a NC. People like winners. Why there are so many sidewalk Bama fans. This ain't complicated.

[viverlibre]

They didn't really disassociate anything. All they did was quit playing Dixie and get Colonel Reb off of the sidelines. Their PA announcer still blares "Your Ole Miss Rebels" when they take the football field or basketball court, Rebel Rags ads are shown on their jumbotrons and I'm pretty sure they still have 'Rebels' across the front of one of their baseball jerseys.

They did away with Col Reb on the sidelines and him as their mascot, so yeah, I say they disassociated with Col Reb. Our fan base would NEVER move past that.