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06-29-2024, 02:57 AM
#421

Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
Hire a new HC. But I'm in the Mad Dog Margaritas tonight. My head will hurt tomorrow, but I won't strike out a 1/4 of what Lemonis does.
Think about this:
1st time HC Lebby is killing recruiting at a low end football school
Jans is killing recruiting at a bad basketball school
Lemonis is sucking at a baseball power house
Anyone that doesn't believe he's 75% the problem is lost, blind, and foolish.
It took yall a long time to accept Foxy was a disaster when I was telling yall he was. But it became obvious eventually and this will too
We're not having an issue recruiting high school players. I'm not sure why the portal would be much different.
We haven't had a problem attracting position players this cycle. But we haven't landed a pitcher only guy yet. Which I think is a bit unusual.
At the same time the portal season isn't over for another six weeks or so. It's still way early to panic. We need to get through the draft next and that's an unknown at this point. No one really knows what kind of discussions Lemonis has had with the players and scouts regarding the draft and I am 100% certain he has a much better idea than anyone here has about what is exactly coming back. Like we're all assuming Holcombe is gone. But he is playing summer ball right now which is a little odd for someone that is going pro. At the same time we're all assuming Pico is staying even though he is draft eligible. It sounds like Stone Simmons is coming back. If he is healthy he could start for us or he could close.
Then you have a guy like Brooks Auger. He may not be drafted in the top 10 rounds. Maybe he gets drafted in the 12th round or something and then we offer him NIL and get him back for another year. I don't think anyone would be against that and in that case I would much rather have a guy like Auger over most of the guys in the portal. I don't think he is going to get a massively huge bonus that we couldn't potentially match with NIL.
I'm sure we'll get some guys out of the portal but if our rotation next spring in Simmons, Pico, and Nolan Stevens for example I could live with that on paper.
Oh- and this is coming from a guy that said Foxhall was the main problem since Tulane 2022.
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06-29-2024, 03:05 AM
#422

Originally Posted by
StarkVegasSteve
It is. I again keep harping on it, I think it's Starkville. I don't think it's NIL, Lemonis, Parker, Gautreau, etc. They may play a part in it, but players will still go play for bad teams. Hell TCU went 33-21 last year and didn't even make the tournament. But Ft. Worth is lot more desirable than Starkville if the NIL is around the same. I mean just take Ft. Worth for example. If players come on a visit, you have The Stockyards, downtown Ft. Worth, and Dallas 30 minutes away. When they come visit Starkville, they have 3 bars, 9 Mexican restaurants, a dead campus, and Birmingham 2 hours away.
And btw, this is coming from someone who loves Starkville and loves Mississippi St. But we have to change perception. Far too long the perception of Starkville is quiet college town and no one ever tried to deny it. We have to start growing the Cotton District, downtown, attracting businesses, and for the love of God.....START RECRUITING OUT OF STATE STUDENTS.
I don't think it's Starkville to be honest with you. Vanderbilt and Tulane are in some pretty awesome places and they're some of the smallest schools in the country. Jackson probably has the most things to do in the state but I bet if you added up the enrollment of Mississippi College, Millsaps, and Belhaven combined it would fall way short of MSU.
I think Parker has to continue to build his reputation. Yeah he did a great job this year with Khal, Loo, Tyler Davis and made Tyson Hardin go from a guy that I didn't think was a SEC player to a guy that was one of our best relievers. He'll get there- but in the case of LaPour Saarloos has a much longer track record at this point.
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06-29-2024, 09:02 AM
#423
Todd4 is on a truth burner. very good assessments, sir. obvious facts are simply that.
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06-29-2024, 09:58 AM
#424

Originally Posted by
Todd4State
We're not having an issue recruiting high school players. I'm not sure why the portal would be much different.
We haven't had a problem attracting position players this cycle. But we haven't landed a pitcher only guy yet. Which I think is a bit unusual.
At the same time the portal season isn't over for another six weeks or so. It's still way early to panic. We need to get through the draft next and that's an unknown at this point. No one really knows what kind of discussions Lemonis has had with the players and scouts regarding the draft and I am 100% certain he has a much better idea than anyone here has about what is exactly coming back. Like we're all assuming Holcombe is gone. But he is playing summer ball right now which is a little odd for someone that is going pro. At the same time we're all assuming Pico is staying even though he is draft eligible. It sounds like Stone Simmons is coming back. If he is healthy he could start for us or he could close.
Then you have a guy like Brooks Auger. He may not be drafted in the top 10 rounds. Maybe he gets drafted in the 12th round or something and then we offer him NIL and get him back for another year. I don't think anyone would be against that and in that case I would much rather have a guy like Auger over most of the guys in the portal. I don't think he is going to get a massively huge bonus that we couldn't potentially match with NIL.
I'm sure we'll get some guys out of the portal but if our rotation next spring in Simmons, Pico, and Nolan Stevens for example I could live with that on paper.
Oh- and this is coming from a guy that said Foxhall was the main problem since Tulane 2022.
Our position gets are a very mixed bag this time and we missed on the bigger guys again. HS recruiting hasn't proven to be great because none are here after so many leaving the last few years (bad classes overall). This years HS class is ok but it's not as highly rated as where we've been in the past. Recruiting is an issue. They can build a regional team (who couldn't?), it's building more that's the problem. We've all heard the rumors about recruiting style of Lemonis & we've seen the admission of getting lazy. The problem is, nothing has really changed. We'll sign a couple strong HS guys, one, maybe two portal guys that pan out if we're lucky, and a pitcher that's solid. It still leaves lots of projects and holes. NIL isn't the problem, facilities and support aren't the problems. That leaves the staff as the issue. We've got so much to sell, but it's just not being sold properly.
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06-29-2024, 10:51 AM
#425

Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
Our position gets are a very mixed bag this time and we missed on the bigger guys again. HS recruiting hasn't proven to be great because none are here after so many leaving the last few years (bad classes overall). This years HS class is ok but it's not as highly rated as where we've been in the past. Recruiting is an issue. They can build a regional team (who couldn't?), it's building more that's the problem. We've all heard the rumors about recruiting style of Lemonis & we've seen the admission of getting lazy. The problem is, nothing has really changed. We'll sign a couple strong HS guys, one, maybe two portal guys that pan out if we're lucky, and a pitcher that's solid. It still leaves lots of projects and holes. NIL isn't the problem, facilities and support aren't the problems. That leaves the staff as the issue. We've got so much to sell, but it's just not being sold properly.
You keep saying it, but nobody said they got lazy nor are they lazy. You can say it but doenst make it true.
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06-29-2024, 12:47 PM
#426
If what Hadad says is true, Lemonis isn?t taking the pressure of this job very well and doesn?t know how much Lemonis is going to coach. I don?t know if that has anything to do with his recruiting on not. I fully believe if Lemonis was offered the South Carolina job, he would have taken the job. I?m ready to start over and make a hire that will bring juice back to the program.
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06-29-2024, 01:06 PM
#427

Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
Our position gets are a very mixed bag this time and we missed on the bigger guys again. HS recruiting hasn't proven to be great because none are here after so many leaving the last few years (bad classes overall). This years HS class is ok but it's not as highly rated as where we've been in the past. Recruiting is an issue. They can build a regional team (who couldn't?), it's building more that's the problem. We've all heard the rumors about recruiting style of Lemonis & we've seen the admission of getting lazy. The problem is, nothing has really changed. We'll sign a couple strong HS guys, one, maybe two portal guys that pan out if we're lucky, and a pitcher that's solid. It still leaves lots of projects and holes. NIL isn't the problem, facilities and support aren't the problems. That leaves the staff as the issue. We've got so much to sell, but it's just not being sold properly.
So many high school recruits are leaving because of the portal culture- not necessarily because they were misevaluated. Which is why we're going to see smaller classes going forward. Because we're adapting to a culture change in baseball doesn't mean we were bad at recruiting. If we were then LSU has been worse considering what they are cutting right now.
In the meantime we have four high school commits that have been rated as top 250 draft prospects to go with the five others on the team currently- Nolan Stevens, Loftin, Highfill, Makhai Grant, and Dylan Cupp. That group doesn't include Luke Dotson, Ryan McPherson, or Henry Allen so no again- our high school recruiting hasn't been a "problem".
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06-29-2024, 01:15 PM
#428

Originally Posted by
BigDawg81
If what Hadad says is true, Lemonis isn?t taking the pressure of this job very well and doesn?t know how much Lemonis is going to coach. I don?t know if that has anything to do with his recruiting on not. I fully believe if Lemonis was offered the South Carolina job, he would have taken the job. I?m ready to start over and make a hire that will bring juice back to the program.
If he is that stressed out over it- then why doesn't he just leave? As far as money I suspect we would give him a reasonably nice package if he just decided to "retire". Even if we didn't there are other jobs that he could find that are less stressful. The Citadel was open this year for example. He could do like Paul Manieri and sit out a year and then come back.
But he hasn't done that yet. And I think I know why.
Because it isn't true.
I highly doubt that Lemonis is going to hang out with guys that basically were telling listeners that they weren't going to have much to talk about with baseball earlier in the year and were basically telling listeners that he was going to be fired.
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06-29-2024, 01:20 PM
#429

Originally Posted by
Todd4State
If he is that stressed out over it- then why doesn't he just leave? As far as money I suspect we would give him a reasonably nice package if he just decided to "retire". Even if we didn't there are other jobs that he could find that are less stressful. The Citadel was open this year for example. He could do like Paul Manieri and sit out a year and then come back.
But he hasn't done that yet. And I think I know why.
Because it isn't true.
I highly doubt that Lemonis is going to hang out with guys that basically were telling listeners that they weren't going to have much to talk about with baseball earlier in the year and were basically telling listeners that he was going to be fired.
So this is strictly just rumor but what I was told is that Hadad and Faulk have a vendetta against Lemonis because Chris cussed Faulk out to his face and basically told him no one gave a shit about his opinions. Stemmed from them both going after his job last year and into the fall and winter.
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06-29-2024, 01:53 PM
#430

Originally Posted by
StarkVegasSteve
So this is strictly just rumor but what I was told is that Hadad and Faulk have a vendetta against Lemonis because Chris cussed Faulk out to his face and basically told him no one gave a shit about his opinions. Stemmed from them both going after his job last year and into the fall and winter.
So, Lemonis can?t take the heat? 2/3 of the fanbase wanted him fired for stinking it up. Thats part of the job. I still think he needs to be fired. Is he going to cuss me out? Unlike Faulk, I don?t have credentials to lose so I will curse him right back.
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06-29-2024, 01:56 PM
#431

Originally Posted by
Todd4State
If he is that stressed out over it- then why doesn't he just leave? As far as money I suspect we would give him a reasonably nice package if he just decided to "retire". Even if we didn't there are other jobs that he could find that are less stressful. The Citadel was open this year for example. He could do like Paul Manieri and sit out a year and then come back.
But he hasn't done that yet. And I think I know why.
Because it isn't true.
I highly doubt that Lemonis is going to hang out with guys that basically were telling listeners that they weren't going to have much to talk about with baseball earlier in the year and were basically telling listeners that he was going to be fired.
probably should have been fired Imo. Coaches have been fired for less.
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06-29-2024, 02:08 PM
#432

Originally Posted by
BigDawg81
probably should have been fired Imo. Coaches have been fired for less.
And we would have had trouble finding a replacement because coaches aren't going to want to go somewhere that fired their coach two years after their only NC.
Unfortunately we don't have fans that are Ok if the coach that is on the hot seat is able to rebound as Lemonis has.
Ole Miss didn't fire Bianco either for the same reason.
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06-29-2024, 02:11 PM
#433

Originally Posted by
StarkVegasSteve
So this is strictly just rumor but what I was told is that Hadad and Faulk have a vendetta against Lemonis because Chris cussed Faulk out to his face and basically told him no one gave a shit about his opinions. Stemmed from them both going after his job last year and into the fall and winter.
I'm not sure if that's true or not but knowing what I know about Lemonis it wouldn't surprise me and if it is true I wish I was there to see it. That would have been hilarious.
I have heard that they don't get along though.
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06-29-2024, 02:24 PM
#434

Originally Posted by
Todd4State
Ole Miss didn't fire Bianco either for the same reason.
Ole Miss didn't fire Bianco this year because it would have costs them around $7.5 million for him and his staff. That's the same reason several on here said we didn't get rid of Lemonis last year.
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06-29-2024, 02:34 PM
#435

Originally Posted by
BigDawg81
So, Lemonis can?t take the heat? 2/3 of the fanbase wanted him fired for stinking it up. Thats part of the job. I still think he needs to be fired. Is he going to cuss me out? Unlike Faulk, I don?t have credentials to lose so I will curse him right back.
Faulk runs him down every chance he gets publicly. It's not like he wrote a truth article on him. He just nonstop spews biased negative. I swear him and Bucky are the same sometimes.
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06-29-2024, 02:41 PM
#436
I'm not sure about the lazy stuff so let's just set it aside. If he's not then he's just not very good at what he does.
"The QB and the receiver weren't on the same page there, but hey its only week eleven". (Jack Cristil)
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06-29-2024, 02:45 PM
#437

Originally Posted by
Cowbell
Faulk runs him down every chance he gets publicly. It's not like he wrote a truth article on him. He just nonstop spews biased negative. I swear him and Bucky are the same sometimes.
The way Faulk talked about Arnett and Leach would confirm they aren't the same guy.
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06-29-2024, 04:13 PM
#438

Originally Posted by
Todd4State
And we would have had trouble finding a replacement because coaches aren't going to want to go somewhere that fired their coach two years after their only NC.
Unfortunately we don't have fans that are Ok if the coach that is on the hot seat is able to rebound as Lemonis has.
Ole Miss didn't fire Bianco either for the same reason.
Lemonis followed up two of our worst seasons in recent memory with a road regional appearance. He still has some rebounding to do. And next year could be a struggle. I certainly don't expect us to be picked very high.
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06-29-2024, 04:17 PM
#439
maybe above mizzou, the sharts and bama? that about right?
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06-29-2024, 04:56 PM
#440
Back to the portal, Fisher from Ole Miss is in the portal. .285 with 20 HRs
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