How about an AR Cult update?

[msstate7]

Will started v/ kentucky??? In 2020?? Pretty sure Costello just stunk and then we put Will in.

You're right.

The stretch from ark to bama (4 games) rivaled this year with wright...

We scored 28 offensive pts from ark to bama (4 games) - 7.0 ppg

This year under wright, we've scored 23 offensive pts from ark to Kentucky (3 games) - 7.7 ppg

Both stretches were horrible to watch

[Really Clark?]

Will started v/ kentucky??? In 2020?? Pretty sure Costello just stunk and then we put Will in.

That's correct. KJ threw like 55 passes that game before being pulled for Will.

[dawgday166]

Yep ... Y'all are right about Costello. It was next few games if I remember right with Will. So ... 2020 is definitely *** turning out to be a direct one-for-one comparison of this year and y'all carry on with blaming Leach and defending this staff just like you blamed JoMo and defended Leach in 2020 ****

[msstate7]

Yep ... Y'all are right about Costello. It was next few games if I remember right with Will. So ... 2020 is definitely *** turning out to be a direct one-for-one comparison of this year and y'all carry on with blaming Leach and defending this staff just like you blamed JoMo and defended Leach in 2020 ****

You're way too sensitive. No one is defending arnett at this point.

[BuckyIsAB****]

The kids played hard in 2020 and you could tell we had a plan and the culture was in place after it was ruined. It?s not even close. This is the worst coaching job I have ever seen at MSU

[HancockCountyDog]

The kids played hard in 2020 and you could tell we had a plan and the culture was in place after it was ruined. It?s not even close. This is the worst coaching job I have ever seen at MSU

It is hard to quantify the playing hard part. We had some brutal losses in 2020. Our defense still hasn't quit this year. They have reason to quit, but they have played their ass off the last 6 quarters of football. The offense has given them nothing.

I was one of the first ones to question Arnett and his decision to transition away from AR with a senior laden offense, but I think the defense hasn't quit. Now some of the WR's (Tulu especially) appear to be done with this offense or lack thereof. Hard to blame them.

[msstate7]

It is hard to quantify the playing hard part. We had some brutal losses in 2020. Our defense still hasn't quit this year. They have reason to quit, but they have played their ass off the last 6 quarters of football. The offense has given them nothing.

I was one of the first ones to question Arnett and his decision to transition away from AR with a senior laden offense, but I think the defense hasn't quit. Now some of the WR's (Tulu especially) appear to be done with this offense or lack thereof. Hard to blame them.

Not hard for me to blame him. Like the coach or not, like the system or not, he's being paid and given a scholarship to play, so play. I'm perfectly fine with him and all quitters to leave.

[R2Dawg]

The kids played hard in 2020 and you could tell we had a plan and the culture was in place after it was ruined. It?s not even close. This is the worst coaching job I have ever seen at MSU

I haven't really noticed open quit in this team overall but they are frustrated and have lost hope. I saw more guys slam helmets on the sidelines again Saturday after coming off the field. Lots of frustration. We got many who don't want to go out like this. They have like fans lost all confidence in the coaching staff. I do also think some (WR for one) are pouting about not getting the ball as much or something. I'm not sure some are playing hard for a not Will QB, their AR guy. You can tell that by comments after SC game. Not a word since.

This is why when a company gets new leadership, there is typically wholesale changes. They can't afford to have left over leadership that is loyal and undermining new leadership with new direction. Leach did it and no one had issue, but for some reason some expect the next team to not do it?? Double standard.

[msudawg1200]

The kids played hard in 2020 and you could tell we had a plan and the culture was in place after it was ruined. It?s not even close. This is the worst coaching job I have ever seen at MSU

No doubt. This is worse than Croom.

[HancockCountyDog]

No doubt. This is worse than Croom.

Scoring 3 points against this Kentucky team is worse than scoring 2 in the 3-2 game.

[Homedawg]

No doubt. This is worse than Croom.

Memory is short. Go look at the records. Loss to maine. No. It's not worse than croom, no matter how bad you think it is.

[HancockCountyDog]

Memory is short. Go look at the records. Loss to maine. No. It's not worse than croom, no matter how bad you think it is.

Yeah the memories of some are short.

We did lose to Maine that year, we also beat #20 Florida at home 38-31 and then beat UK 22-7 that year. I mean, yeah Maine was brutal, but we did put up 38 points against #20 Florida.

Have we had a showing this year against a top 20 team that would be remotely close to that?

[Really Clark?]

Yeah the memories of some are short.

We did lose to Maine that year, we also beat #20 Florida at home 38-31 and then beat UK 22-7 that year. I mean, yeah Maine was brutal, but we did put up 38 points against #20 Florida.

Have we had a showing this year against a top 20 team that would be remotely close to that?

Yeah but it was Ron Zook...another one that was Croomed. Lol

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yeah the memories of some are short.

We did lose to Maine that year, we also beat #20 Florida at home 38-31 and then beat UK 22-7 that year. I mean, yeah Maine was brutal, but we did put up 38 points against #20 Florida.

Have we had a showing this year against a top 20 team that would be remotely close to that?

That team also had Jerious Norwood, a top 3 RB in program history, and this team does not have any type of playmaker anywhere close to that caliber.

[HancockCountyDog]

That team also had Jerious Norwood, a top 3 RB in program history, and this team does not have any type of playmaker anywhere close to that caliber.

Yeah, but what we did was tailor our offense to show off his talent in that game. We didn't put him in an AR offense and not give him the ball. People are acting as if this team has zero offensive talent. It just isn't true. We have one of the most experienced offensive lines in our program's history. I would bet we have over 100 starts between the five starters on the OL. We have two WR's in Tulu and Zavion that a lot of teams would like.

[Homedawg]

Yeah the memories of some are short.

We did lose to Maine that year, we also beat #20 Florida at home 38-31 and then beat UK 22-7 that year. I mean, yeah Maine was brutal, but we did put up 38 points against #20 Florida.

Have we had a showing this year against a top 20 team that would be remotely close to that?

In his 5th year, we lost to la tech, got drilled by ga tech. One of his 4 wins was vandy. 3,3,3,7,4 wins. I don't think it's worse. I know it's not worse.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Memory is short. Go look at the records. Loss to maine. No. It's not worse than croom, no matter how bad you think it is.

Yes, it is. Croom had a true rebuild. These slappys walked into a gravy train and spilt it before they got to the table. It is awful. It is inexcusably awful

[memsu06]

There's a reason we set records for the most points down to come back and win games. The air raid did that. When it was on we could put up some points. Get a more mobile QB in and I think we could have made noise in the SEC.

We didn't have the talent of several of the teams we played, but the air raid closed the talent gap.

It's also a simple offense to run, which as Mike Leach said you don't want your players to think too hard during the game. Find green grass.

Look at our offense now, QB and receivers not on same page, blocking wrong people, run blocking on pass plays, etc. I think it's too complicated for the players. It's like Morehead's offense.

Give me a version of the Air Raid any day of the week over this run the ball 2 yards and a cloud of dust. I don't care what you Air Raid haters thing, but your preferred offense isn't getting it done either.

Look what happens to us now with teams stopping the running game and we can't pass the ball.

Next year is going to be brutal. Recruiting is going to suffer and we're losing experienced players.

[msudawg1200]

Memory is short. Go look at the records. Loss to maine. No. It's not worse than croom, no matter how bad you think it is.

That crap I sat through Saturday night is worse than Croom. Period.

[Really Clark?]

That crap I sat through Saturday night is worse than Croom. Period.

Anyone who says that either never actually sat through some of Croom's games or because it was so bad they have erased it from their memory. Sat was bad and Croom like but it wasn't worse.