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[HoopsDawg]

If we hire Rich Rod, I'm done.

[KB21]

Fritz is 63. He’s too much of a defense first, run the ball to control the clock, and win the kicking game coach.

He would raise the floor of the team, but the fact that he doesn’t have embrace modern football and passing the ball limits the ceiling. He’s not going to attract QBs and WRs, which is what you need to win.

[Really Clark?]

Fritz is 63. He’s too much of a defense first, run the ball to control the clock, and win the kicking game coach.

He would raise the floor of the team, but the fact that he doesn’t have embrace modern football and passing the ball limits the ceiling. He’s not going to attract QBs and WRs, which is what you need to win.

Well except his QB will be highly sought after this portal season and had a 1000 yard WR in the NFL in 2021. Injured in 2022 and is not the same.

[HoopsDawg]

Well except his QB will be highly sought after this portal season and had a 1000 yard WR in the NFL in 2021. Injured in 2022 and is not the same.

Apparently 2 million is the QBs asking price

[Santiago]

I would say yes. Working under saban is good for the resume

Definitely so, but even the fact Saban wanted this guy says a whole lot about him

[Really Clark?]

Apparently 2 million is the QBs asking price

I heard it was really high

[msstate7]

Apparently 2 million is the QBs asking price

LSU bound?

[Quaoarsking]

If we hire Rich Rod, I'm done.

Why? He's been pretty successful at a lot of jobs and probably would be here too.

[dawgday166]

The issue with Zach Arnett is his archaic approach to offense, not his experience level.

Now I'm not going back and forth with you all day or week or whatever about this ... so if you wanna argue about it I'll just ignore it.

There are 2 main problems (possibly 3) with Zach.
1) His experience (and lack thereof).
2) He's seems to be listening to the wrong folks and/or he has 2 sets of folks pulling him in opposite directions and he ain't sure which way to go.
A possible 3rd) He's a DC and apparently he is tampering with the offense too much maybe. Don't know for sure tho and some supposed X and O genius on here might use that as an excuse for how our offense is running.

Personally I'm pert near positive #1 and #2 are the main problems.

But #1, his experience, is the main problem with Zach. Problem #1 is the main reason he's having problem #2. Gimme Fitz with an Aeris and read option but with WRs like Leach had in 21 and 22, they gonna get a lot of yards and a lot of points too.

Schemes are way secondary to someone who knows how to build and run a program successfully. That is the hard part and you only learn it thru a LOT of experience. That's why Mullen was able to do it. He had been with Urban a couple of times when he built successful programs. Leach and Mumme had built programs together before Leach ever went out on his own.

Bum Phillips said of Bear Bryant (and I'm paraphrasing here) "I know a lot of coaches that know more about X's and O's than Bear does, but I never met anyone who knows more about people. Bear can take his'n and beat your'n, and your'n and beat his'n".

And that's absolutely true for the most part. Some exceptions might be the #1 and #2 recruiters every year in current CFB. Saban himself has said what he does best is recruit. He still knows a lot about people tho.

So to sum up ... ain't no scheme in and of itself gonna magically make us an 8 to 10 win team. Period! The Coach and Coaching staff matter a lot too. I was a Leach fan for the culture and toughness he instilled, more than I was a pure AR fan.

[BuckyIsAB****]

I would love clawson. For whatever reason, he doesn't seem to be a candidate anywhere, so I've given up hope

He has connections with Selmon

[Todd4State]

KB really likes McDaniel of dolphins, so I think KB thinks a great, young OC will automatically work. The nfl is different than college though.

It's not about being young- it's about being talented. If a 28 year old is a talented OC we should be interested in him. Typically MSU fans have been worried about "experience" with coaches like that instead of actually focusing on the body of work as a coach. And we're also talking about OC here- not head coach. Which is a major difference.

The issue with Zach Arnett is his archaic approach to offense, not his experience level.

He's simply in over his head and he is surrounded by people that don't necessarily have his- or MSU's best interests at heart. A big issue is he is listening to the wrong people who aren't even as qualified as Arnett to make the decision. If someone had told him to hire someone that ran a modified AR or even a Veer and Shoot and a legit experienced DC we're more likely talking about an extension for Arnett than the various hot seat articles he is on.

I would go fritz over rich rod. Fritz on cusp of back-to-back NY6 bowl games

Fritz is loved at Tulane. He's a really good coach. And it's interesting because when Tulane hired him they thought he would run the triple option because he came from Georgia Southern but he evolved to a spread option type attack to more of a pro style attack.

Out of the ghost of Christmas past file:

Rich Rod has Jacksonville State looking good. Some people are talking about him upsetting South Carolina this weekend. There's some speculation he might get another shot at a bigger program if he pulls the upset. He's not on my list but he might be on someone's.

I think it's buyer beware with Rich Rod. He is a great offensive mind but much like Leach he's not what he was 20 years ago. Right now offensively they're only averaging 2 more PPG than we are. And they're very much being carried by their defense. Which means we would probably be better off looking at his DC than him.

Now I'm not going back and forth with you all day or week or whatever about this ... so if you wanna argue about it I'll just ignore it.

There are 2 main problems (possibly 3) with Zach.
1) His experience (and lack thereof).
2) He's seems to be listening to the wrong folks and/or he has 2 sets of folks pulling him in opposite directions and he ain't sure which way to go.
A possible 3rd) He's a DC and apparently he is tampering with the offense too much maybe. Don't know for sure tho and some supposed X and O genius on here might use that as an excuse for how our offense is running.

Personally I'm pert near positive #1 and #2 are the main problems.

But #1, his experience, is the main problem with Zach. Problem #1 is the main reason he's having problem #2. Gimme Fitz with an Aeris and read option but with WRs like Leach had in 21 and 22, they gonna get a lot of yards and a lot of points too.

Schemes are way secondary to someone who knows how to build and run a program successfully. That is the hard part and you only learn it thru a LOT of experience. That's why Mullen was able to do it. He had been with Urban a couple of times when he built successful programs. Leach and Mumme had built programs together before Leach ever went out on his own.

Bum Phillips said of Bear Bryant (and I'm paraphrasing here) "I know a lot of coaches that know more about X's and O's than Bear does, but I never met anyone who knows more about people. Bear can take his'n and beat your'n, and your'n and beat his'n".

And that's absolutely true for the most part. Some exceptions might be the #1 and #2 recruiters every year in current CFB. Saban himself has said what he does best is recruit. He still knows a lot about people tho.

So to sum up ... ain't no scheme in and of itself gonna magically make us an 8 to 10 win team. Period! The Coach and Coaching staff matter a lot too. I was a Leach fan for the culture and toughness he instilled, more than I was a pure AR fan.

Great post as usual.

I will say that I would be fine with Lebby. He no doubt talks to Art Briles and has him as a resource. He has been around Heupel and Kiffin and has SEC experience. I'm pretty sure he would probably bring in Clement their OL coach and their TE coach Finley. I also think his offense is a good happy medium between the AR and the Caveman run the ball crowd.

If he can find a good DC- like poach SMU or Troy's DC- we could turn this around pretty quickly.

[Todd4State]

He has connections with Selmon

Selmon has a lot of connections from what I have heard. More than any AD we have ever had when it comes to football.

Which is why I am optimistic we make a great hire once Arnett leaves whenever that is.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Selmon has a lot of connections from what I have heard. More than any AD we have ever had when it comes to football.

Which is why I am optimistic we make a great hire once Arnett leaves whenever that is.

I think Arnett left at halftime of the Arizona game.

[DownwardDawg]

I think Arnett left at halftime of the Arizona game.

Hahahaha!!!!!

[KB21]

Now I'm not going back and forth with you all day or week or whatever about this ... so if you wanna argue about it I'll just ignore it.

There are 2 main problems (possibly 3) with Zach.
1) His experience (and lack thereof).
2) He's seems to be listening to the wrong folks and/or he has 2 sets of folks pulling him in opposite directions and he ain't sure which way to go.
A possible 3rd) He's a DC and apparently he is tampering with the offense too much maybe. Don't know for sure tho and some supposed X and O genius on here might use that as an excuse for how our offense is running.

Personally I'm pert near positive #1 and #2 are the main problems.

But #1, his experience, is the main problem with Zach. Problem #1 is the main reason he's having problem #2. Gimme Fitz with an Aeris and read option but with WRs like Leach had in 21 and 22, they gonna get a lot of yards and a lot of points too.

Schemes are way secondary to someone who knows how to build and run a program successfully. That is the hard part and you only learn it thru a LOT of experience. That's why Mullen was able to do it. He had been with Urban a couple of times when he built successful programs. Leach and Mumme had built programs together before Leach ever went out on his own.

Bum Phillips said of Bear Bryant (and I'm paraphrasing here) "I know a lot of coaches that know more about X's and O's than Bear does, but I never met anyone who knows more about people. Bear can take his'n and beat your'n, and your'n and beat his'n".

And that's absolutely true for the most part. Some exceptions might be the #1 and #2 recruiters every year in current CFB. Saban himself has said what he does best is recruit. He still knows a lot about people tho.

So to sum up ... ain't no scheme in and of itself gonna magically make us an 8 to 10 win team. Period! The Coach and Coaching staff matter a lot too. I was a Leach fan for the culture and toughness he instilled, more than I was a pure AR fan.

We can get the program builder that runs a boring offense that isn't attractive to skill position players, and we can continue to watch Ole Miss lap us with their exciting brand of football.

[BrunswickDawg]

I think it's buyer beware with Rich Rod. He is a great offensive mind but much like Leach he's not what he was 20 years ago. Right now offensively they're only averaging 2 more PPG than we are. And they're very much being carried by their defense. Which means we would probably be better off looking at his DC than him.

In principle, I don't disagree. You also have to keep in mind that this is Jax St. first year as a D1 football program - and they are top 65 in offense and top 25 in defense and are 7-2. That's impressive.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Washington has multiple NFL receivers and an NFL qb.. Not sure if this season is the best to judge how good their OC is.

[msstate7]

Washington has multiple NFL receivers and an NFL qb.. Not sure if this season is the best to judge how good their OC is.

Moorhead 2.0?

[Really Clark?]

Moorhead 2.0?

Naw, I think he is better than that honestly. I would like to see him operate away from Washington and on his own though.

[BlackSailsDawg]

I would love clawson. For whatever reason, he doesn't seem to be a candidate anywhere, so I've given up hope

His HC record Overall 153-138