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Reality
This isn't to start another thread about ZA there are plenty of those. .......I'll get blasted by a ton for this but these are facts. Dan Mullen is the best coach ever here. 9 years we changed expectations for the better, here's the record. 4 times in 9 years our BEST coach ever won 6 or less regular season. 4 times he won 8, once he won 10. Best coach ever. Jackie sherrill, the man who taught us we could actually could win, was a loss to Alabama away in 96 from being fired, in 11 reg season games won 7 games 4 times, 8 games twice and 9 once in 13 years to finish at .500 overall. Numerous bad losses and or ties. Don't get me wrong loved kjs, he made us have high expectations. With all that said, we are not canning a coach that finishes 6-6 in this league. Period. Call me crazy, stupid or blind. Let us get drilled from here out, and go 5-7 maybe a change is needed. But let it play out. Remember don't beat bama in 96 and we finished 5-6 and we don't see the 97-00 run we went on. I'll hang up and watch the flames. Have fun
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Originally Posted by
Homedawg
This isn't to start another thread about ZA there are plenty of those. .......I'll get blasted by a ton for this but these are facts. Dan Mullen is the best coach ever here. 9 years we changed expectations for the better, here's the record. 4 times in 9 years our BEST coach ever won 6 or less regular season. 4 times he won 8, once he won 10. Best coach ever. Jackie sherrill, the man who taught us we could actually could win, was a loss to Alabama away in 96 from being fired, in 11 reg season games won 7 games 4 times, 8 games twice and 9 once in 13 years to finish at .500 overall. Numerous bad losses and or ties. Don't get me wrong loved kjs, he made us have high expectations. With all that said, we are not canning a coach that finishes 6-6 in this league. Period. Call me crazy, stupid or blind. Let us get drilled from here out, and go 5-7 maybe a change is needed. But let it play out. Remember don't beat bama in 96 and we finished 5-6 and we don't see the 97-00 run we went on. I'll hang up and watch the flames. Have fun
Good points Homedawg. But I can tell you IF we play like crap and IF we get blown out 6-6 want matter. Arnett needs finish striong, I hope we win and I think Saturday we have a chance but I do think Ky wins. Felker got canned mainlyo because the fans lost interest and confidence in him and staff. JoMo got fired because he lost control of the team and we were loaded and underachieved badly even at 8 wins. Arnett has a little in all of those that were canned. Hope we win out and I’m wrong.
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Originally Posted by
basedog
Good points Homedawg. But I can tell you IF we play like crap and IF we get blown out 6-6 want matter. Arnett needs finish striong, I hope we win and I think Saturday we have a chance but I do think Ky wins. Felker got canned mainlyo because the fans lost interest and confidence in him and staff. JoMo got fired because he lost control of the team and we were loaded and underachieved badly even at 8 wins. Arnett has a little in all of those that were canned. Hope we win out and I’m wrong.
That's where I am at. It's not because oh we are losing and might have a losing record. It's the actual product on the field. We are not a fundamentally good team. He could very well be a good coach at some time, but he is drowning in the vast ocean of the SEC. Why are we the ones that have to put up with it? It was like when OM hired Matt Luke. Understand the hire, but it was clear that he was in over his head.
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Hey Homedawg...not ZA related
Seems MSU is in a great position to pull a great portal QB this offseason. MSU is offering a starting job in the SEC. Seems any number of kids fly themselves to Starkville to play. You have the UTexas QB that has Arch Manning in his way next season. Georgia has 2 guys. Ohio State usually has a guy or two.
Last time MSU had a open job was when Leach pulled Costello. Too bad he was damaged goods.
Reality is that MSU could drastically improve at QB next season, no matter who is the coach.
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Originally Posted by
basedog
Good points Homedawg. But I can tell you IF we play like crap and IF we get blown out 6-6 want matter. Arnett needs finish striong, I hope we win and I think Saturday we have a chance but I do think Ky wins. Felker got canned mainlyo because the fans lost interest and confidence in him and staff. JoMo got fired because he lost control of the team and we were loaded and underachieved badly even at 8 wins. Arnett has a little in all of those that were canned. Hope we win out and I’m wrong.
Felker had one winning record in 5 years. Beat ole miss once....but your points are true and won't argue at all.
Last edited by Homedawg; 10-31-2023 at 10:03 PM.
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Originally Posted by
The Federalist Engineer
Hey Homedawg...not ZA related
Seems MSU is in a great position to pull a great portal QB this offseason. MSU is offering a starting job in the SEC. Seems any number of kids fly themselves to Starkville to play. You have the UTexas QB that has Arch Manning in his way next season. Georgia has 2 guys. Ohio State usually has a guy or two.
Last time MSU had a open job was when Leach pulled Costello. Too bad he was damaged goods.
Reality is that MSU could drastically improve at QB next season, no matter who is the coach.
Sure we have a spot. So will 30 other places. Will we go after one? Absolutely. Will we get a game changer?? Idk any more than anyone else.... fact is we aren't getting a Gabriel. We might get a sanders, or a Thorne... or who knows
Last edited by Homedawg; 10-31-2023 at 10:04 PM.
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Jackie was the best coach ever here.
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Originally Posted by
Homedawg
This isn't to start another thread about ZA there are plenty of those. .......I'll get blasted by a ton for this but these are facts. Dan Mullen is the best coach ever here. 9 years we changed expectations for the better, here's the record. 4 times in 9 years our BEST coach ever won 6 or less regular season. 4 times he won 8, once he won 10. Best coach ever. Jackie sherrill, the man who taught us we could actually could win, was a loss to Alabama away in 96 from being fired, in 11 reg season games won 7 games 4 times, 8 games twice and 9 once in 13 years to finish at .500 overall. Numerous bad losses and or ties. Don't get me wrong loved kjs, he made us have high expectations. With all that said, we are not canning a coach that finishes 6-6 in this league. Period. Call me crazy, stupid or blind. Let us get drilled from here out, and go 5-7 maybe a change is needed. But let it play out. Remember don't beat bama in 96 and we finished 5-6 and we don't see the 97-00 run we went on. I'll hang up and watch the flames. Have fun
We've suffered from poor leadership. I know this. It's a fact not an opinion. The hires have been piss poor and so typical Mississippi simple minded. Byrne, the outsider, hired Mullen. Boosters and the president, not LT, hired JWS. We've sucked at leadership in our athletic department. All I'm saying is that things could have been much better with some effort. State is not this mythical suck hole of a football program that people want to think it is. It takes leadership.
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You may too young to remember but Bob Tyler showed us we could win and how to sustain success (see the Bulldog Club). If we had made another pathetic hire to follow Shira instead of Tyler I honestly don't know if we would still be in the SEC....it was that bad.
Last edited by Churchill; 10-31-2023 at 10:33 PM.
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Originally Posted by
DownwardDawg
We've suffered from poor leadership. I know this. It's a fact not an opinion. The hires have been piss poor and so typical Mississippi simple minded. Byrne, the outsider, hired Mullen. Boosters and the president, not LT, hired JWS. We've sucked at leadership in our athletic department. All I'm saying is that things could have been much better with some effort. State is not this mythical suck hole of a football program that people want to think it is. It takes leadership.
Can't disagree with that
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Originally Posted by
HoopsDawg
Jackie was the best coach ever here.
Wow...
JS: 13 years, 75-75-2 (.500), 43-59-1 (.417)
DM: 9 years, 69-46 (.600), 33-39 (.458)
Sec champs during JS tenure: 5 in 13 seasons with 3 from west
Sec champs during DM tenure: 6 in 9 seasons with all 6 from the west
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Mullen benefited greatly from having a 12th game that Jackie didn't have until his last 2 years, no overtime system to avert ties, and a bowl system expanded greatly. Give Jackie and extra game against a simp team and his numbers look a whole lot better
3 8 win seasons; 3 9 win seasons, 1 11 win season. It would have likely added at least 13 more wins to his total and landed him in 2 more Bowl Games (giving him 8). Having a overtime system that eliminates ties might have turned '93 in to a bowl season with a 12th game.
It's plausible Jackie could have wound up with 18 more wins with these conditions giving him a 93-75 record.
Similarly, take 9 wins off Dan's record if you eliminate a 12th cupcake game; and potentially as many as 8 Bowl games if the bowl structure was the same as it was under Jackie and teams when 7 wins don't make bowls. That would knock off 6 wins and 1 loss.
Dan's record plausibly could drop to 51-45.
Dan did coach in a much tougher West than Jackie did. But having that 12th win and being able to make Bowls with only 5 regular season wins sure do make Mullen look a lot better.
Last edited by BrunswickDawg; 11-01-2023 at 08:15 AM.
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
Mullen benefited greatly from having a 12th game that Jackie didn't have until his last 2 years, no overtime system to avert ties, and a bowl system expanded greatly. Give Jackie and extra game against a simp team and his numbers look a whole lot better
3 8 win seasons; 3 9 win seasons, 1 11 win season. It would have likely added at least 13 more wins to his total and landed him in 2 more Bowl Games (giving him 8). Having a overtime system that eliminates ties might have turned '93 in to a bowl season with a 12th game.
It's plausible Jackie could have wound up with 18 more wins with these conditions giving him a 93-75 record.
Similarly, take 9 wins off Dan's record if you eliminate a 12th cupcake game; and potentially as many as 8 Bowl games if the bowl structure was the same as it was under Jackie and teams when 7 wins don't make bowls. That would knock off 6 wins and 1 loss.
Dan's record plausibly could drop to 51-55.
Dan did coach in a much tougher West than Jackie did. But having that 12th win and being able to make Bowls with only 5 regular season wins sure do make Mullen look a lot better.
Throw out 12 wins (1 per season and 3 for bowl win that he wouldn't have been eligible) for mullen...
57-46. He's still better. And sec winning % in harder conference doesn't change
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
Throw out 12 wins (1 per season and 3 for bowl win that he wouldn't have been eligible) for mullen...
57-46. He's still better. And sec winning % in harder conference doesn't change
I'm not disagreeing that Dan was better - it just shows some of the impacts that coaching in a different era had.
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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Homedawg just wants to stick his head into the sand and ignore just how poorly coached this team is. They aren't prepared. The coaches don't have any answers when their "gameplan" is thrown off. There is no motivation. Recruiting is the worst in the SEC. The head coach is taking advice from a former high school coach.
If the administration is afraid of firing him at 6-6 or even 5-7, then they will deserve what they get next year when the stadium is 1/3rd full, NIL donations are declining, and the team is full speed heading towards a 2-10 season. Because if you keep Arnett, that's exactly what will happen.
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Originally Posted by
KB21
Homedawg just wants to stick his head into the sand and ignore just how poorly coached this team is. They aren't prepared. The coaches don't have any answers when their "gameplan" is thrown off. There is no motivation. Recruiting is the worst in the SEC. The head coach is taking advice from a former high school coach.
If the administration is afraid of firing him at 6-6 or even 5-7, then they will deserve what they get next year when the stadium is 1/3rd full, NIL donations are declining, and the team is full speed heading towards a 2-10 season. Because if you keep Arnett, that's exactly what will happen.
NIL is not declining. It possibly will if it continues on into next season and but it's not declining right now.
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Originally Posted by
Really Clark?
NIL is not declining. It possibly will if it continues on into next season and but it's not declining right now.
I didn't say it was declining now. I said it will decline if Arnett is kept. All of my contributions to BI will be earmarked for basketball and baseball if Arnett is kept, and I will not spend a penny on MSU football if he is retained.
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With the portal and NIL now, does it even matter what coach in the 90's or the early 2000s did?
College football is totally different now. You have Ole Miss possibly finishing in the top ten this year.
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Originally Posted by
KB21
I didn't say it was declining now. I said it will decline if Arnett is kept. All of my contributions to BI will be earmarked for basketball and baseball if Arnett is kept, and I will not spend a penny on MSU football if he is retained.
Yeah you did:
"NIL donations are declining"
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