Chat with Scott Stricklin

[Dawg61]

NCAA appearances the last 10 years:

Florida- 8
Kentucky- 8
Tenn- 7
Vandy- 5
LSU- 3 (2 SEC titles)
State-3
Alabama-3
UPig- 3
Georgia- 2
Ol Miss- 1
Auburn-0
SC- 0

We're in a 4-way tie for 5th...but LSU's 2 Regular season titles trump us the last 10 years....that's the last decade

And we fired him because he wasn't meeting EXPECTATIONS. Didn't we just cover this?

[Coach34]

WRONG! If he goes to the NCAA just once more he's still the coach. You know it. Quit acting like you don't.

No.

Stands was told if he was going to remain coach- there were some things that were going to have to change-he refused. Which we knew he would. Stands was not going to remain coach regardless.

[Coach34]

And we fired him because he wasn't meeting EXPECTATIONS. Didn't we just cover this?

I'm arguing your point that we have been the 4th best program in the SEC- thats bullshit

[Dawg61]

I'm arguing your point that we have been the 4th best program in the SEC- thats bullshit

You're only going back 10 years and you're only looking at tourney appearances. We've already done this research. Go back ten more years and add up most wins for all 20. MSU was #4 right behind Tennessee. I'm sure we've now slipped since Brick took over. Wins are wins and MSU pre Brick was the 4th winningest program in the SEC 12.

[Coach34]

You're only going back 10 years and you're only looking at tourney appearances. We've already done this research. Go back ten more years and add up most wins for all 20. MSU was #4 right behind Tennessee. I'm sure we've now slipped since Brick took over. Wins are wins and MSU pre Brick was the 4th winningest program in the SEC 12.

wins dont matter- especially with the easy schedules we have played. NCAA Tourneys matter. An 18 win team can get in over a 20 win team.

NCAA Tourneys are what programs are built on- especially the 30 years since the Tourney expanded...now NIT's and stuff are good fluff and are good rewards for decent seasons- but NCAA Tourneys define your program

[Real Deal]

wins dont matter- especially with the easy schedules we have played. NCAA Tourneys matter. An 18 win team can get in over a 20 win team.

He's got you here Dawgs61. Getting to the tourney is the absolute best way to define your program outside of straight up national championships, which only a few teams can boast. It takes into account what your team did over the course of the whole season and takes out hot runs, which skew numbers.

Probably the truest thing I've ever seen Coach34 post.

[Dawg61]

wins dont matter- especially with the easy schedules we have played. NCAA Tourneys matter. An 18 win team can get in over a 20 win team.

NCAA Tourneys are what programs are built on- especially the 30 years since the Tourney expanded...now NIT's and stuff are good fluff and are good rewards for decent seasons- but NCAA Tourneys define your program

Total wins AND SEC ONLY wins MSU the last 20 years before Brick is the 4th winningest program and probably in tourney appearances too. Keep pulling us down though.

[Coach34]

Total wins AND SEC ONLY wins MSU the last 20 years before Brick is the 4th winningest program and probably in tourney appearances too. Keep pulling us down though.

NCAA's the last 20 years:

Kentucky- 18
Florida- 15
Tenn- 11
Arkansas- 9
State 8
Vandy- 7
Bama- 7
Georgia- 6
Old Misses- 6
LSU- 5
Auburn- 3
SC- 3

We're 5th when you include our best 10 year run from 1995-2004

[Dawg61]

Ok then our expectations should be on par with Arkansas, Bama and Vandy's. They aren't.

[smootness]

Ok then our expectations should be on par with Arkansas, Bama and Vandy's. They aren't.

You're equating 'Expectations in Year 2 of Rick Ray's tenure' with 'Mississippi State's basketball expectations'. The two are not equal.

Ultimately, Rick Ray's expectations are identical to Rick Stansbury's. No one is arguing any differently. The difference in opinion comes when asking when Rick Ray's expectations become identical to Stansbury's. I think any logical person understands that it can't be in year two after what Ray inherited.

I don't think the expectations can be the same in year 3, either. Having said that, I am in no way arguing that Ray should be given a pass for year 3. We definitely have to show that we're making progress and make people believe we are getting to where we need to be. I think Ray's expectations should be fully identical to Stans in year 5...but once again, in no way does he get a pass through year 5. If he isn't showing the necessary improvement, he shouldn't get past year 3...or past year 4 if we do show some improvement next year.

But come year 5, if he's still here, his expectations will be 100% of what Stans' were...the expectations that he didn't meet.

[Coach34]

You're equating 'Expectations in Year 2 of Rick Ray's tenure' with 'Mississippi State's basketball expectations'. The two are not equal.

Ultimately, Rick Ray's expectations are identical to Rick Stansbury's. No one is arguing any differently. The difference in opinion comes when asking when Rick Ray's expectations become identical to Stansbury's. I think any logical person understands that it can't be in year two after what Ray inherited.

This all day

Richard Williams took until Year 5 to make the NCAA's
Stands took until Year 4 to make the NCAA's

And both of these coaches had been at State recruiting the teams they inherited. Ray's expectations get higher every year now. Rebuilding is officially over

[engie]

I'm at Stansbury expectations in year 3...

I'm ready to be dancing again. That said, I won't be ready to fire him for making the NIT this year and will still be convinced we're going in the right direction -- but I want consistent progress going forward until we're back being a 9-12 win SEC team consistently...

I'll stay on the fence if we're borderline NIT and come up on the short side of it. Anything less -- I'm ready for him to go. Anything more -- I'm ready to extend him...

[MarketingBully01]

NCAA's the last 20 years:

Kentucky- 18
Florida- 15
Tenn- 11
Arkansas- 9
State 8
Vandy- 7
Bama- 7
Georgia- 6
Old Misses- 6
LSU- 5
Auburn- 3
SC- 3

We're 5th when you include our best 10 year run from 1995-2004

Gee, I didn't realize that fifth in the SEC over 20 years equated to a bottom feeder team. That is news to me.

[War Machine Dawg]

I just want to know how the hell this went from a thread about Stricklin to ANOTHER pissing contest about Ray. The same old shit is getting old from both sides. Can we just table it until next January?

[MarketingBully01]

Richard Williams took until Year 5 to make the NCAA's
Stands took until Year 4 to make the NCAA's

And both of these coaches had been at State recruiting the teams they inherited. Ray's expectations get higher every year now. Rebuilding is officially over

Yep, Stans his first team should have been in the NCAA tournament but was robbed. His second team in 1999-2000 lacked the piece he was wanting to build around (Jonathan Bender) and had JB made it to campus he would have had an NCAA tourney team his second year.

[MarketingBully01]

I just want to know how the hell this went from a thread about Stricklin to ANOTHER pissing contest about Ray. The same old shit is getting old from both sides. Can we just table it until next January?

Because up until this point, Stricklin's biggest profile hire is Rick Ray. I think Stricklin's legacy good or bad will be linked with this hire in the long run. Especially if he gives Ray the full 4 years even if Ray has a bad season next year.

[engie]

I just want to know how the hell this went from a thread about Stricklin to ANOTHER pissing contest about Ray. The same old shit is getting old from both sides. Can we just table it until next January?

That's wishful thinking -- as much as the majority of us would love to see it, the idiots have their minds made up and are going to raise hell about it from now on every single time they think they have an opportunity -- and after making the overall reading experience of the board miserable for over a year -- will disappear or catch amnesia if Ray turns things around. None of the ones that are overrunning the board are even capable of putting a comprehensive viewpoint together -- and I'm like a fly to the light when I see the holes in the logic...

Trying to block the idiots -- and would be ahead of the game now if everyone else would do the same -- or at least not quote them where I actually have to see what they post.

[MarketingBully01]

That's wishful thinking -- as much as the majority of us would love to see it, the idiots have their minds made up and are going to raise hell about it from now on every single time they think they have an opportunity -- and after making the board miserable for over a year -- will disappear or catch amnesia if Ray turns things around.

One positive is that it's given me the chance to weed out and block the total idiots -- making my overall reading experience here so much more enjoyable outside of quotes where I still see their ridiculous posts. It's like a fly to the light once I have to actually view the posts...

Ironically, WMD is talking about you as well I am sure...

[MarketingBully01]

I just want to know how the hell this went from a thread about Stricklin to ANOTHER pissing contest about Ray. The same old shit is getting old from both sides. Can we just table it until next January?

I agree that this thread is now rediculousy long and apologize to you for you having to go through this thread.

I think this thread wouldn't have been so long had both sides not poked at each other and the thread would have ended more then likely this morning if not for Engie's incessant poking and calling other people's viewpoints idiotic. I can take different people's view points but for some reason Engie just rubs me the wrong way.

I can take him using facts and figures to prove his viewpoint however he has an attitude that just rubs me the wrong way.

So board I apologize for dragging this thread out way too long. I apologize to Coach, Smoot, and Mic and just will say we agree to disagree on certain viewpoints. We are all bulldogs here. Let's all get along. I will even say that I will not comment again about Ray until next basketball season. Deal?

[tcdog70]

The truth is 34 and Engie are the posters who won't let the Stansbury bashing go away.I would love to just post about Rick Ray and what he has done in two years and on into the future. Stansbury is over, quit bashing Him and people will quit rebuking your post. How about let's just talk Ray.

I think 34 and Engie know that by bashing Stansbury they will create some long threads. It is more about their egos and showing how message board hip they are.