Wyatt film study

[Santiago]

I'm not real excited about last week either until we can string some 400+ yd games in a row vs sec teams. 500+ vs a sec isn't some small feat though... leach did it 3 times - 2020 lsu, 2021 vandy, and 2022 ark.

Games are a little shorter now, with the clock running, so I wonder if the big yard games are fewer. Something at the end of the season to see how Div 1 teams fared.
This sort of goes back to me having an issue with Arnett saying he changed offenses because his defense was on the field too much. It was a flat out lie, and especially this season with the clock running on first downs.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Wouldn't you thank Moorhead for will?

Why would I do that? Leach was recruiting Rogers and had a relationship. He closed on that once HC and he is the one that trained Rogers.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Good lord.

I am encouraged by the over 500 yards of offense which included the record setting WR performance under Barbay. Barbay had us doing things we never did under Leach and it was fun to watch after such boring, monotonous checkdowns for 3 years of Airbone offense.

That's not going to happen against the rest of of the SEC games because those defenses are not ranked 121 in all of the college football land. BUT I have no doubt that you will be right here ready to cut down and blame Rogers over the OC who is demanding we run a personnel that we are not fitted for.

[Santiago]

That's not going to happen against the rest of of the SEC games because those defenses are not ranked 121 in all of the college football land. BUT I have no doubt that you will be right here ready to cut down and blame Rogers over the OC who is demanding we run a personnel that we are not fitted for.

yeah but they played Georgia though ***
joking aside, I do think this whole push to the running game is the most MSU thing ever. It never worked in the past, and we could never recruit good receivers. But we would see other teams(eh em, TSUN) with great receivers and flashing fun games. But sure, lets get back to "MSU football".

[BlackSailsDawg]

Thank Leach? If you think that ANY of those pass plays are called much less thrown under his watch with the little play napkin, you are kidding yourself. Leach didn’t know what the words play action meant.

Whether it was Will or Barbay, who gives a shit. At least he took some shots. FOR ONCE in his career. Let’s hope that continues for the rest of the season and we see what happens against beatable opponents.

Yes thank Leach. The very first clip in the video linked in the OP is an AIR RAID play. All other clips of 11 personnel show massive issues with the OL because the OC communication to the OL coach either sucks or non existent.

He has always taken shows and that is exactly what people are talking about. No objective bone in the anti Leach or Air Raid haters. Which btw, we all wanted more Run to force people out of the 3-8.

[BlackSailsDawg]

yeah but they played Georgia though ***
joking aside, I do think this whole push to the running game is the most MSU thing ever. It never worked in the past, and we could never recruit good receivers. But we would see other teams(eh em, TSUN) with great receivers and flashing fun games. But sure, lets get back to "MSU football".

Yes sir! It's amazing to watch! They want a return to a 52-57% passer. That's not getting us over the top. The Air Raid attracts WRs and QBs. Something MSU has never done well with. Now does that mean we have to run a Leach AR? NO.

If we really want to be productive, you mix it up. Barbay has the opportunity to develop a Modified AR that uses a TE and PA. He needs to see what he has and what he does not.

[dawgday166]

I'm not real excited about last week either until we can string some 400+ yd games in a row vs sec teams. 500+ vs a sec isn't some small feat though... leach did it 3 times - 2020 lsu, 2021 vandy, and 2022 ark.

This is mostly my point. I'm not excited about one game especially when we have looked as bad as we have in the others.

And this ain't with a bunch of freshmen like 2020 was. We should be putting up over 400 yds against every opponent we have this year, including the one tomorrow. Also, outside of DJ and Sharp, I'm pretty sure the O is same as last year.

And our D ... that's a whole nuther story.

ETA: Last week Will was a baller. If he keeps doing that we'll probably turn out pretty good on O this year. If he had done that the last half of last year we probably would've had better results with the Air Raid ... which is also my point. We'll see if he keeps being a baller when we face more physical teams. SC wasn't that physical last week IMO.

[Commercecomet24]

Yes sir! It's amazing to watch! They want a return to a 52-57% passer. That's not getting us over the top. The Air Raid attracts WRs and QBs. Something MSU has never done well with. Now does that mean we have to run a Leach AR? NO.

If we really want to be productive, you mix it up. Barbay has the opportunity to develop a Modified AR that uses a TE and PA. He needs to see what he has and what he does not.

The last paragraph makes great points and I believe is what 99% of us want to see out of this offense. Hopefully Barbay saw what the potential
is this past Saturday. Time will tell and a big test tomorrow. Let?s see what happens.

[BlackSailsDawg]

The last paragraph makes great points and I believe is what 99% of us want to see out of this offense. Hopefully Barbay saw what the potential
is this past Saturday. Time will tell and a big test tomorrow. Let?s see what happens.

It is examine week!

[Cooterpoot]

Dear 8 lb 9 oz little baby Jesus, we need a win. I'll stop cussing and drinking and runnin' round and missing church baby Jesus. I'll buy tickets and stand up and ring my bell Lil Lord Jesus. Just get us through this deep, deep valley of football despair that is our football history. Especially against The Gumps. Amen Amen Amen!
Your faithful servant~ Cooterpoot

[Commercecomet24]

It is examine week!

No doubt! I hope we build on last week, and we'll be able to tell because we all know our recent offensive history against bama.

[Commercecomet24]

Dear 8 lb 9 oz little baby Jesus, we need a win. I'll stop cussing and drinking and runnin' round and missing church baby Jesus. I'll buy tickets and stand up and ring my bell Lil Lord Jesus. Just get us through this deep, deep valley of football despair that is our football history. Amen Amen Amen!
Your faithful servant~ Cooterpoot

And the congregation said AMEN!

[dawgday166]

Yes sir! It's amazing to watch! They want a return to a 52-57% passer. That's not getting us over the top. The Air Raid attracts WRs and QBs. Something MSU has never done well with. Now does that mean we have to run a Leach AR? NO.

If we really want to be productive, you mix it up. Barbay has the opportunity to develop a Modified AR that uses a TE and PA. He needs to see what he has and what he does not.

Here's a link to Will's passing splits last year. Check out the vs Ranked and vs Unranked stats
http://cfbstats.com/2022/player/430/...ing/split.html

Here's a link to Fitz's passing stats in 2017. Check out the vs Ranked and vs Unranked stats
http://cfbstats.com/2017/player/430/...ing/split.html

Now check out Fitz's rushing splits vs Ranked and Unranked
http://cfbstats.com/2017/player/430/...ing/split.html

Now ... keep in mind that year Fitz played against the SECW Champion (AU which whupped Bama good and also beat GA in regular season), the SEC Champ (GA), and the Natty Champ (Bama beat GA). AU & GA were away games.

Will faced Natty champ (GA at home) and West Champ (LSU in Death Valley). ETA: and of course Bama in T-town.

Fitz actually had a slightly higher QBR against ranked teams. Imagine that. And he had nowheres near the receivers Will had last year.

I'll take Fitz.

Don't get too carried away trying to make your points.

ETA: And Fitz balled out every game, even when he was getting the hell beat out of him.

[Santiago]

Here's a link to Will's passing splits last year. Check out the vs Ranked and vs Unranked stats
http://cfbstats.com/2022/player/430/...ing/split.html

Here's a link to Fitz's passing stats in 2017. Check out the vs Ranked and vs Unranked stats
http://cfbstats.com/2017/player/430/...ing/split.html

Now check out Fitz's rushing splits vs Ranked and Unranked
http://cfbstats.com/2017/player/430/...ing/split.html

Now ... keep in mind that year Fitz played against the SECW Champion (AU which whupped Bama good and also beat GA in regular season), the SEC Champ (GA), and the Natty Champ (Bama beat GA). AU & GA were away games.

Will faced Natty champ (GA at home) and West Champ (LSU in Death Valley). ETA: and of course Bama in T-town.

Fitz actually had a slightly higher QBR against ranked teams. Imagine that. And he had nowheres near the receivers Will had last year.

I'll take Fitz.

Don't get too carried away trying to make your points.

ETA: And Fitz balled out every game, even when he was getting the hell beat out of him.

Are we comparing now Fitz v. Rogers? This seems to be a totally different thread topic. To me, your stats show that Rogers had a decline last year v. 2021, a year he faced 5 ranked teams.
If this is the new topic, I will take Don Smith.
But if we are still talking about offensive styles, I would go with Coach Leach beating more top 25 teams in 3 years than any previous MSU coach. And he did it while totally revamping the roster with better receivers. Modify that air raid he had , and go with it.
As someone else posted, maybe Barbay merges the two.

[dawgday166]

Are we comparing now Fitz v. Rogers? This seems to be a totally different thread topic. To me, your stats show that Rogers had a decline last year v. 2021, a year he faced 5 ranked teams.
If this is the new topic, I will take Don Smith.
But if we are still talking about offensive styles, I would go with Coach Leach beating more top 25 teams in 3 years than any previous MSU coach. And he did it while totally revamping the roster with better receivers. Modify that air raid he had , and go with it.
As someone else posted, maybe Barbay merges the two.

Not a new thread topic...just BSD gets a little carried away at times harping on the wonders of the Air Raid, Rogers accuracy, completion percentage and whatnot. And that's the end all and be all.

He was saying some folks wanna go back to a 52 to 57% completions QBs. Just showing that Fitz completion percentage, QBR, etc against top tier competition compared very favorably to Will's numbers last year against the same.

We won 8 regular season both times but with Fitz 9 would've been the case if OM doesn't break his ankle.

[Todd4State]

The last paragraph makes great points and I believe is what 99% of us want to see out of this offense. Hopefully Barbay saw what the potential
is this past Saturday. Time will tell and a big test tomorrow. Let?s see what happens.

I think most MSU fans in general want to see MSU run a modified modern Air Raid.

I also have doubts as to whether Barbay can actually do that.

[Commercecomet24]

I think most MSU fans in general want to see MSU run a modified modern Air Raid.

I also have doubts as to whether Barbay can actually do that.

I honestly don?t care what they call the offense. Barbay showed last Saturday the possibility of adaptation. Tomorrow we?ll find out more. As BSD said we need to have a mixture and we do need the ability to run the ball. Balance to me doesn?t mean 50/50 pass run plays but the ability to run when it?s needed and the ability to pass when needed and get chunk plays and not just short gainers. I?m willing to let the season play out and see what happens because we really have no choice and beating the same dead horse day after day really does no good lol.

[Todd4State]

I honestly don?t care what they call the offense. Barbay showed last Saturday the possibility of adaptation. Tomorrow we?ll find out more. As BSD said we need to have a mixture and we do need the ability to run the ball. Balance to me doesn?t mean 50/50 pass run plays but the ability to run when it?s needed and the ability to pass when needed and get chunk plays and not just short gainers. I?m willing to let the season play out and see what happens because we really have no choice and beating the same dead horse day after day really does no good lol.

Yeah. I think too many coaches get caught up in the 50 pass and 50 run thing. Which really doesn't make sense because if you are a traditional 21 personnel grouping you have 2 running backs and 3 eligible receivers. So that would mean 40% to the running backs and 60% to the receivers, right?

To me balance is about getting the ball in each of your play makers hands throughout the game. Whether that's passing or running. I think there are times to run and you really need that ability to run out the clock when you have the lead. But to me I think the best way to go is to pass to get the lead and then run to stay there.

[Commercecomet24]

Yeah. I think too many coaches get caught up in the 50 pass and 50 run thing. Which really doesn't make sense because if you are a traditional 21 personnel grouping you have 2 running backs and 3 eligible receivers. So that would mean 40% to the running backs and 60% to the receivers, right?

To me balance is about getting the ball in each of your play makers hands throughout the game. Whether that's passing or running. I think there are times to run and you really need that ability to run out the clock when you have the lead. But to me I think the best way to go is to pass to get the lead and then run to stay there.

Imo the Patriots approach is the best way. Each game has to be approached with a way to attack that particular team where they?re most vulnerable. Each weeks game plan is specific for that particular team. I?ve seen Brady throw it 20-25 times and pound the rock to win one week and throw it 60 times the next week. That?s what balance is, being able to attack a team where they?re most vulnerable. For a baseball example if a guy is a first pitch fastball hitter you dint throw him a fastball on first pitch. I can?t remember what year it was but bama was destroying om on the ground the first half and then kiffen calling pass plays the second half and om wound up beating bama. If they stayed on the ground bama wins. But I?m like you I want to see our best players get the touches whether it?s running or throwing just get it done barbay!

[Cowbell]

Barbay didn't adapt his offense this past week. Those passing plays were used earlier in the season but we chose to dump it off or had to due to pressure. The offense hasn't changed. Our QB grew a pair and our OL gave him some time. Barbay is limited by his QB. Will wants to be the leader you can tell but he goes into the fetal position and crumbles when he is pressured. Until he learns to roll out and cut loose, we ain't beating Bama. I don't understand why more of you can't see it. He crumbled against OM, he crumbled in the bowl game, he was crumbling against Arizona (despite getting the credit for leading us to a win that should have gone to a RB). He ultimately crumbled last week but somehow we got a moral victory. Will was who he was before we abandoned the air raid. He nearly cost us several games last year. We all talked about it on here, but suddenly now we want to blame the OC for not adapting to him. BS. This is SEC football. Man up and take over a game.