Arnett

[HailState2008]

I think most agree on arnett.

My problem with selmon is that it has taken 6 months to allocate a portion of BC personnel to strictly fundraising for NIL. That should have been Bart's only job from day 1 selmon was hired

Obviously, you?ve never been in a leadership position. You don?t come in and start making/demanding moves but rather start by feeling out the environment to lay down a foundation. Especially with a department like State athletics that has a bunch of tenured/spoiled people that need to be phased out slowly or the department could fall apart without proper planning.

[confucius say]

Bulldog Club is a little less than that $10 per month. For many that's an either/or. The fans carrying the weight isn't going to happen. It's not happening anywhere. It's about boosters and business. The smallest fan base argumenet is exactly why we as fans cannot and will not carry the weight of the NIL money. We'd be so far behind everyone if our fan base was our primary support. We're only behind in football. The $10 people put up is going to specific sports. Says a lot about our fans and we've got to get the big money for football somewhere else.
I'm not saying not to contribute. I'm saying if that's our business model, we're screwed.

We're also screwed if our business model is only business and big boosters. That's why we're so far behind in football now (you're right, we are much better off in basketball and baseball and that does say something).

Honestly, we need it all. We're a small fanbase so we need the businesses, big boosters, and fans. If we targeted common people and asked them to give 10-20-50-100 dollars a month, they would. And it would generate millions.

And If somebody only has $10 a month to give, that needs to be encouraged to go to BI, not bulldog club. We're about to get an influx of millions from the new TV deal that will easily cover a 2 million dollar loss that the bulldog club would take by steering 2 million away from it and to BI. As our coaches have said, we need players, not new facilities.

[confucius say]

Obviously, you?ve never been in a leadership position. You don?t come in and start making/demanding moves but rather start by feeling out the environment to lay down a foundation. Especially with a department like State athletics that has a bunch of tenured/spoiled people that need to be phased out slowly or the department could fall apart without proper planning.

If you take over a good situation, sure. But not when you take over a dumpster fire, which our NIL situation was when Cohen left. You don't take over a 100 million dollar annual company and not address for 6 months the dumpster fire that is your most important department.

Again, things are finally moving in the right direction but it shouldn't take 6 months to get there when everybody in the dumpster fire was telling you what was needed. I like Selmon and think he can do good here. Just got to be a little more aggressive, which seems to be coming.

[Extendedcab]

We're also screwed if our business model is only business and big boosters. That's why we're so far behind in football now (you're right, we are much better off in basketball and baseball and that does say something).

Honestly, we need it all. We're a small fanbase so we need the businesses, big boosters, and fans. If we targeted common people and asked them to give 10-20-50-100 dollars a month, they would. And it would generate millions.

And If somebody only has $10 a month to give, that needs to be encouraged to go to BI, not bulldog club. We're about to get an influx of millions from the new TV deal that will easily cover a 2 million dollar loss that the bulldog club would take by steering 2 million away from it and to BI. As our coaches have said, we need players, not new facilities.

I hate to disagree but the whole NIL movement has turned a lot of the common people, like me, off! We do not want to see amateur college athletics turn into a semi-pro league or maybe even a full fledged pro league. I'm afraid college athletics is ruined for good. I am not sure how much longer I will be watching college athletics. I gave up watching pro sports a few years back.

Where will this stop, little league? Is the reason NIL is not there today because there is no or little money involved at that level? Is it the large amount of money generated by universities from huge stadiums and TV contracts, through the SEC, that brings the greed out in everyone? Is not getting an education, free, enough today? They are supposed to be preparing for a sports career just like other students that prepare in their major of study for a career. Now the student athlete will be paid to prepare for his/her career. Like I said above, where will this stop, at what level? As an extension of this train of thought is why aren't non student athletes getting paid for participating in research activities that bring the university money? Their Name, image and Likeness is also being used - see university brochures, the MSU channel and other documentaries as well that depict students doing their work. Why are student athletes special - because of the amount of money involved? Something is not right here! Sorry! This is what is turning the common man off!

[confucius say]

Totally understandable. I hate it too. But I want us to win more than I hate NIL, so I give.

[deltadawg63]

A good read for many would be the history of Clemson athletics and booster fundraising all the way back to the 1930's. IPTAY stands for "I pay ten a year". The concept is that all boosters and supporters count and are valuable for the good of the whole. I truly believe we have to maximize the buy-in and desire of all of the various giving levels of all of our supporters in order to compete going forward. It can build more than just a financial supporter as it can make people feel needed.

[preachermatt83]

Rhett lol. Glad he left.

Hear, here.

[dawggrad08]

I hate to disagree but the whole NIL movement has turned a lot of the common people, like me, off! We do not want to see amateur college athletics turn into a semi-pro league or maybe even a full fledged pro league. I'm afraid college athletics is ruined for good. I am not sure how much longer I will be watching college athletics. I gave up watching pro sports a few years back.

Where will this stop, little league? Is the reason NIL is not there today because there is no or little money involved at that level? Is it the large amount of money generated by universities from huge stadiums and TV contracts, through the SEC, that brings the greed out in everyone? Is not getting an education, free, enough today? They are supposed to be preparing for a sports career just like other students that prepare in their major of study for a career. Now the student athlete will be paid to prepare for his/her career. Like I said above, where will this stop, at what level? As an extension of this train of thought is why aren't non student athletes getting paid for participating in research activities that bring the university money? Their Name, image and Likeness is also being used - see university brochures, the MSU channel and other documentaries as well that depict students doing their work. Why are student athletes special - because of the amount of money involved? Something is not right here! Sorry! This is what is turning the common MSU man off!

I fixed your post (exhibit A). This exact sentiment is why the big donors we have contribute to academics and not athletics. Exhibit B, the huge donation we just received that had ZERO athletic portion allocated, according the article I read. We honestly haven't caught up to the times as a fanbase. Athletic success ties directly to higher enrollment, which of course increases non-athletic revenue. There's PLENTY of research that have outlined it. Until we understand and operate under this trend...we'll fall further and further behind.

I hate to tell you friend, college football has ALWAYS been a semi-pro league and will continue to be that as long as you must be 3 years removed from HS to go pro. Amateurism has always been a joke for college football. And honestly, no a "free" education is not enough when schools are making 100s of millions of dollars. And let's be honest, how many players are encouraged or allowed to major in "eligibility" rather than career worthy majors? I don't see them selling jerseys of the head researcher in the biology department on campus. Have you seen any?

[schddog72]

A good read for many would be the history of Clemson athletics and booster fundraising all the way back to the 1930's. IPTAY stands for "I pay ten a year". The concept is that all boosters and supporters count and are valuable for the good of the whole. I truly believe we have to maximize the buy-in and desire of all of the various giving levels of all of our supporters in order to compete going forward. It can build more than just a financial supporter as it can make people feel needed.

IPTAY is a fascinating story, going way back (I live in the upstate SC area) maybe 50 years. Unfortunately, in today's world, the "T" now stands for " . . . a THOUSAND a year" if you want to even get in the stadium. A few years ago, Clemson took reseated season ticket holders based on level of giving; there were a lot of "ten a year" folks that had had premium, lower level seats for many years. Those folks suddenly found themselves in the nose bleed section of the upper deck. There was much moaning, groaning, and gnashing of teeth . . . . . .

[bdfan09]

May not mean much, but I joined the BI after reading this thread.

[confucius say]

May not mean much, but I joined the BI after reading this thread.

Thank you! It means everything. If only 10% of people who wants State to win will sign up and give what they can 10-20-30-50 bucks a month, we'd be in a phenomenal spot. Heck, if we could just get half of the bulldog club members to do it we'd be in good shape.

[Santiago]

A good read for many would be the history of Clemson athletics and booster fundraising all the way back to the 1930's. IPTAY stands for "I pay ten a year". The concept is that all boosters and supporters count and are valuable for the good of the whole. I truly believe we have to maximize the buy-in and desire of all of the various giving levels of all of our supporters in order to compete going forward. It can build more than just a financial supporter as it can make people feel needed.

I remember when we hired Byrne, and he made an emphasis on every person giving what they can, and making everyone know that we have power in numbers at MSU. A few decades late, and Byrne did not stay with us very long, but dang he made me at the time , for the first time as an alum, feel like whatever I donated did make a difference.
Look what he replaced. Templeton had his secretary handle his emails from what I heard. We went from that, to Byrne who fully understood GoFundMe for athletics before it was a thing.

When we hired Cohen, we seemed to really go backwards as far as reaching out to the every day MSU fan and alum, especially how Cohen always tried to act like he was above you.

I have heard Selmon had more meeting for NIL in 3 months than Cohen had the entire time he was AD. So I am glad Cohen is gone, and glad Rhett went with him so we can bring in difference makers that are more in tune with today.

[99jc]

i know Selmon has personally emailed me back about the baseball situation Cohen never Did.

[EdwardDrayton]

I remember when we hired Byrne, and he made an emphasis on every person giving what they can, and making everyone know that we have power in numbers at MSU. A few decades late, and Byrne did not stay with us very long, but dang he made me at the time , for the first time as an alum, feel like whatever I donated did make a difference.
Look what he replaced. Templeton had his secretary handle his emails from what I heard. We went from that, to Byrne who fully understood GoFundMe for athletics before it was a thing.

When we hired Cohen, we seemed to really go backwards as far as reaching out to the every day MSU fan and alum, especially how Cohen always tried to act like he was above you.

I have heard Selmon had more meeting for NIL in 3 months than Cohen had the entire time he was AD. So I am glad Cohen is gone, and glad Rhett went with him so we can bring in difference makers that are more in tune with today.

Yes, well, that approach has gone a full 180. Now it's $25,000 or you're just wasting their time.

[Cowbell]

i know Selmon has personally emailed me back about the baseball situation Cohen never Did.

Was it an actual personal email? I got mass reply type emails from Cohen during Moorhead debacle

[CadaverDawg]

Was it an actual personal email? I got mass reply type emails from Cohen during Moorhead debacle

Not a Stricklin fan, but he personally emailed me back. Multiple replies that couldn't have been handled by a secretary or in mass. He's the only one I've emailed though, so I can't speak to the others.

I agree with the above posters...and I'm so proud of the guy above who said this thread made him donate to BI. If everyone reading this thread will give whatever they can afford per month, it will help. Let's all pull the rope...it will feel so much more gratifying too when we succeed if we're all contributing. Even those that can't afford hardly anything, give a few bucks a month. If you're reading this and aren't donating, start tomorrow. Nobody will judge based on dollar amount. It's like being new at the gym....you may think that the guys doing the heavy lifting are judging you because you're a lightweight....but in reality they're all proud of you for getting in there and getting after it with them. (Or at least that's what I'm told...I'm a lightweight haha).

Let's Go! If nothing else, Arnett is earning our support. He's doing a hell of a lot more with no history of success than some hunch back and other coaches that had success earned on the recruiting trail already. Let's give him something to work with and really see what they can do. All In, man. I hate this NIL shit as much as the next guy, but it is what it is, and if we wanna see State win we gotta get in.

[DownwardDawg]

Not a Stricklin fan, but he personally emailed me back. Multiple replies that couldn't have been handled by a secretary or in mass. He's the only one I've emailed though, so I can't speak to the others.

I agree with the above posters...and I'm so proud of the guy above who said this thread made him donate to BI. If everyone reading this thread will give whatever they can afford per month, it will help. Let's all pull the rope...it will feel so much more gratifying too when we succeed if we're all contributing. Even those that can't afford hardly anything, give a few bucks a month. If you're reading this and aren't donating, start tomorrow. Nobody will judge based on dollar amount. It's like being new at the gym....you may think that the guys doing the heavy lifting are judging you because you're a lightweight....but in reality they're all proud of you for getting in there and getting after it with them. (Or at least that's what I'm told...I'm a lightweight haha).

Let's Go! If nothing else, Arnett is earning our support. He's doing a hell of a lot more with no history of success than some hunch back and other coaches that had success earned on the recruiting trail already. Let's give him something to work with and really see what they can do. All In, man. I hate this NIL shit as much as the next guy, but it is what it is, and if we wanna see State win we gotta get in.

Byrne and I used to email back and forth to the point he had "almost" become a friend. And the dude handled his business well.

[confucius say]

Not a Stricklin fan, but he personally emailed me back. Multiple replies that couldn't have been handled by a secretary or in mass. He's the only one I've emailed though, so I can't speak to the others.

I agree with the above posters...and I'm so proud of the guy above who said this thread made him donate to BI. If everyone reading this thread will give whatever they can afford per month, it will help. Let's all pull the rope...it will feel so much more gratifying too when we succeed if we're all contributing. Even those that can't afford hardly anything, give a few bucks a month. If you're reading this and aren't donating, start tomorrow. Nobody will judge based on dollar amount. It's like being new at the gym....you may think that the guys doing the heavy lifting are judging you because you're a lightweight....but in reality they're all proud of you for getting in there and getting after it with them. (Or at least that's what I'm told...I'm a lightweight haha).

Let's Go! If nothing else, Arnett is earning our support. He's doing a hell of a lot more with no history of success than some hunch back and other coaches that had success earned on the recruiting trail already. Let's give him something to work with and really see what they can do. All In, man. I hate this NIL shit as much as the next guy, but it is what it is, and if we wanna see State win we gotta get in.

Preach

[State82]

Excellent points CD. Good job.

[99jc]

Was it an actual personal email? I got mass reply type emails from Cohen during Moorhead debacle

yes it was personal.