Question for the Rick Ray fans

[Coach34]

C'mon CoastGeezer- we arent worse than we were in 80's when Delta State beat us. You guys are bullshit heavy tonight

And the drug issues have been from the Stands players- those are ones that have been dismissed.

[Schultzy]

I'm glad he had some success and loved every minute of it. But times change and era's change and Rick had his time. It came and went and now it's time to get behind Ray just as we supported the Stansbury hire.

[Schultzy]

C'mon CoastGeezer- we arent worse than we were in 80's when Delta State beat us. You guys are bullshit heavy tonight

And the drug issues have been from the Stands players- those are ones that have been dismissed.

I attended that game and having Gerald Glass on the DSU roster is what got Murphy the ole miss gig. What's funny about that is nobody wanted Glass because he was too short (even though he ended up with a prolonged nba career).
Nobody seems to be able to nail down Mississippi recruiting in any sport, even to this day.

And nobody in the sec would offer glass a scholarship out of high school even though everyone in the delta was screaming, this guy is good!

[shannondawg]

The conversation was relayed to me by someone who would know. There wouldnt be all this butthurt by you and rest if Stands had simply decided to retire. Stop with the bullshit- it makes you look worse than you already do.

The media was talking about numerous incidents- not just that one. You dont get labeled "most dysfunctional program in America" over one incident. Shirley you arent that naive.

The program is already in better shape from an effort and drug use standpoint. The guys are on a real strength program also now thank goodness.

I could argue all day but you, but like Coastgeezer you arent going to change your mind. Just sit back and watch Ray make the program better. Thank for your support thru the years to Miss State- hopefully you still are.

Well I got it first hand that it wasn't.

Oh, I enjoyed every minute of these losses from all the effort and drug free environment, however not as much I use to enjoy winning. And Oh, the strength program is really paying off in dividends , can't you just see how we are much stronger in the 2nd half in all these games. Refresh my memory, did Ray hire a new strength coach or just keep the one that we had with Stansbury?

[mcdawg]

And same ol tired bullshit from you guys.

A) Stands had a choice- retire or be fired. If you call that a choice- ok.

B) It's not just the fighting in the bleachers. It's also:

The Sporting News labeled us the "most dysfunctional program in America"
Gottlieb and Katz were laughing at us on ESPN about Stands
Jimmy Dykes on SEC telecasts routinely pointing out Sidney being lazy and walking up the floor during games
Players calling out the coaches on twitter
Players ignoring the coaches during time-outs
The program was ranked 2 of the last 3 seasons and neither team made the NCAA Tourney

And that's not his "legacy"- but that is why his tenure ended.

C) We would have been no better off had we let him coach another year. We still had a rampant drug problem and guys that didnt work hard.

D) If Ray doesnt work out- it wont be another 4 year rebuild- we wont be starting at Ground Zero like Stands left us. The next coach will be in much better position to get things going because he will take over a program based on effort and hard work.

E) There is no Rick Stansbury vendetta. That's comical. We just pointed out the problems with the program- which of course ended up being his undoing

F) I dont know a State fan that follows basketball that doesnt find "Stands" hilarious and fitting...

I am tired of reading all this BS, but I have to post before I leave the site.

On F above, you are wrong. Not funny. I do have one question - Does C34 or Engie care more about State or this Board? If the Board, then they will keep posting this crap to create more focus/fighting on the Board. If State, then they will focus on Rick Ray and quit bashing Rick Stansbury. Let's see what they do. Because I can tell you, the more people like them bash RS, the more it hurts State's program. Because of bashers like them or these other dolts that say "I would rather see a team hustle than our old teams that didn't hustle even though we just lost to Ga by 20 at home", it keeps driving a wedge in our fan base. People aren't attending games - fact. Keep this up and it will only get worse. I can say this for a fact - I have talked to 6 close friends (2 with their names inside our athletic buildings and 1 on the highest academic scholarship a kid can get at State) and they gave up a total of 26 of the most expensive lower level tickets (plus Bulldog Club fees) to State basketball games. I kept my 4 to be supportive, but I am giving them up next year. I CHALLENGE C34 and Engie to buy them (plus the Bulldog fees), so they can watch this team coached by a coach they claim to be Coach K/Wooden. PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS! And, let's see what you care more about.

[Schultzy]

It's hard to tell since there weren't any players left on the roster.

[Coach34]

Well I got it first hand that it wasn't.

Oh, I enjoyed every minute of these losses from all the effort and drug free environment, however not as much I use to enjoy winning. And Oh, the strength program is really paying off in dividends , can't you just see how we are much stronger in the 2nd half in all these games. Refresh my memory, did Ray hire a new strength coach or just keep the one that we had with Stansbury?

Well, what I got was from one of the men in the room...Soooooo, if Stands just "retired" why all the butthurt? Why all venom at the program and Ray? What all the "Stands needed to coach another year" rhetoric? Shirley you are mad at Stands for retiring and leaving the program like he did huh?????

As far as the strength coach- Ray is actually letting the strength coach do his job for a change. The players no longer decide if they workout or not. You wont see players like Swat telling the world- "I didnt lift weights in college" like he did at that NBA combine. Embarrassing

[Schultzy]

Or by 50 to Alabama? On national tv like our previous coach did? Now that's hustling. Did they give up the tickets at that time?

Hell, Ray could pick five from Sanderson on game day and do better than that.

[shannondawg]

Well so did I , and there weren't that many in the room.. I was both happy for him and sad that he was leaving , but was not mad , the only thing that really bothered me was what happened after he left and what was hired..

Maybe they are just lifting and practicing too hard. Maybe they should leave something for the games. You get embarrassed by statements like that, why go around gloating about them?

I just bet you are strutting around like a little peacock with all the hard and drug free play they are putting out these days. That's all we hear from you now is hard work, hard play, drug free, when did the word winning leave your vocabulary?

You asked for it and got your wish, hope you are enjoying this. I really can't say I am.. But you hoping is correct , I am supporting the program. Are you?

[Coach34]

You asked for it and got your wish, hope you are enjoying this. I really can't say I am.. But you hoping is correct , I am supporting the program. Are you?

Ray's clock starts next November- We'll see what he is made of then. Stands left him a helluva hole and he is working hard to climb out.

And I am absolutely supporting the program. And Rick Ray. You should try it sometime

[shannondawg]

As you said this could go on all night, my main beef is I just don't like seeing Stansbury name dragged thru the mud as you and your bunch continue to do.

I just remember all the tremendous games we had both at the Hump and away, they were very happy times for me. Just very sorry that folk like you and Schutzy couldn't enjoy them and only remember and enjoy the memory of the losing ones, but to each his own I guess...

Anyway, I do enjoy sparring with you and if you ever do make it to a game stop by and visit.

[coastdoglover]

I said it on Sixpack and I will say it here, coach is obsessed with Stansbury. Can't figure out why but I would doubt he has gone one week since Stans left without figuring a way to bring him up and bash him. Mcdawg who said let's move on is right ,but I do know folks like Shannondawg still give big bucks to the program so they put their money where their mouth is. However, having to watch a proud program disintegrate like it is now, hurts all of us and I will wait to see how big as man coach is if this experiment fails. I hope it doesn't, but I have seen nothing to make me think it won't. Two years and not one new player really contributing is sad. That falls on Coach Ray and not anybody else.

As you said this could go on all night, my main beef is I just don't like seeing Stansbury name dragged thru the mud as you and your bunch continue to do.

I just remember all the tremendous games we had both at the Hump and away, they were very happy times for me. Just very sorry that folk like you and Schutzy couldn't enjoy them and only remember and enjoy the memory of the losing ones, but to each his own I guess...

Anyway, I do enjoy sparring with you and if you ever do make it to a game stop by and visit.

[tcdog70]

C'mon CoastGeezer- we arent worse than we were in 80's when Delta State beat us. You guys are bullshit heavy tonight

And the drug issues have been from the Stands players- those are ones that have been dismissed.

Who on this team could keep Glass from scoring fifty? All Delta St would have to do is throw up a packed in zone, then get the rebound and Glass would score. Don't kid yourself , this team would have a hard time beating any Bulldog teams of the past. When you can't score more than fifty points a game your ass will tote a loss.

[mic]

Well I got it first hand that it wasn't.

Oh, I enjoyed every minute of these losses from all the effort and drug free environment, however not as much I use to enjoy winning. And Oh, the strength program is really paying off in dividends , can't you just see how we are much stronger in the 2nd half in all these games. Refresh my memory, did Ray hire a new strength coach or just keep the one that we had with Stansbury?

I can answer the last part for ya. No we have the same strength coach. I know him. he has said that its like night and day now with RR than with Stands. Guys are actually held accountable for working out and doing what they are told. The reason Balis was such a good strength coach is that Mullen gave him full say so over the program. What Bails said the kids did.. no if's and's or but's from them or the coaching staff..
Also our strength coach actually tried to find work elsewhere back when Stands was the coach.
Do you not think FT has gotten bigger and stronger from his frosh year to this year.?? yes he has

[mic]

And the statement about walking to the Sanderson center and finding someone who can just come over and play for us is ridiculous. Yeah there may be a couple guys in there that can knock down a few shots and probably a few that could make our squad. But the transition from basically street ball to organized ball is night and day. I know I played both. Although it was only Juco and when I got to State I played in the old tin gym.
You put Tyson Cunningham in the Sanderson center , no one in there would be able to guard him..
And I bet when or if RR did have open tryouts and some of those guys did tryout they probably say just how different its is..
and before someone goes with the walk on kicker in football comparison , its not even close to being the same...

[TheDogFather]

Ray's clock starts next November- We'll see what he is made of then. Stands left him a helluva hole and he is working hard to climb out.

And I am absolutely supporting the program. And Rick Ray. You should try it sometime

Been sitting back enjoying the discussion but saying a million dollar coaches "clock" starts two years after he is hired is laughable.

[mic]

Been sitting back enjoying the discussion but saying a million dollar coaches "clock" starts two years after he is hired is laughable.

he is the lowest paid coach in the SEC..

[mic]

I thought maybe the article by and ex SEC player may stop all this silly 1st grade BS about our bball program. Someone who may actually know a few things about what its like in college sports. I see it still hasn't
RR got left a dumpster fire. If some of you don't want to believe that then so be it. He has been here all of about 18 months. He is not playing with with a full deck. He is going to be here another 2 years. If he cant get it done in that time frame then he should and probably will be gone..
We have some pieces in place like BH said. We have an SEC point guard, a solid 4, and solid 3. We need a shooter , a big , and some depth.
Some of you are going to bitch about RR until he is gone even if he wins 20+ games next few years. That's your opinion. But I swear I think some of you would rather we lose games just so you could bitch and complain and say told ya so than actually want us to win.. If that's the case keep all this BS you post to yourself we are all tired of reading it...

[Intramural All-American]

Can we all not just agree that it was time for Stans to go but thank him for his time at State? He did a lot for State but he had plateaued. There's no reason to continually bash him (myself included). We made a new hire, and Ray is now our coach. Whether he can succeed or not, he needs support. If he doesn't succeed, we will try again. But it is annoying as hell to have a new argument over the same damn thing after every single game. Neither side of the argument is budging. It's been going on for two years now. At some point you just have to agree to disagree and move on. It's extremely ridiculous for anyone to hope certain outcomes happen either way so that one side can say "I told you so."

[Schultzy]

As you said this could go on all night, my main beef is I just don't like seeing Stansbury name dragged thru the mud as you and your bunch continue to do.

I just remember all the tremendous games we had both at the Hump and away, they were very happy times for me. Just very sorry that folk like you and Schutzy couldn't enjoy them and only remember and enjoy the memory of the losing ones, but to each his own I guess...

Anyway, I do enjoy sparring with you and if you ever do make it to a game stop by and visit.

We enjoyed his successful years as well and have acknowledged them. The point is that it's still way too early to be getting on Ray's case. It's too early to bash Ray precisely because of how bad of shape the previous coach left the program. It's not bashing Stansbury to say that, it's just an undeniable fact. One can come to this realization and still appreciate Stansbury's good years fondly.

But don't tell us you're embarrassed by our new coach when he is the one working his ass off trying to clean up the mess somebody else left behind. That's infuriating as hell to me. One and a half years is a very short period of time for a coach taking over under these circumstances.

When I make reference to Stansbury's bad losses, like the 50 point loss to Alabama, it's to point out how dumb it is to be embarrassed by a twenty point loss during a rebuilding period. Not to just make some ad-hominem attack on Rick Stansbury. It's one game. It happens.