Someone please make me feel ok about basketball going forward

[Dawg61]

I have my "sources" and the Chancellor at UT Jimmy Cheek is not going to allow the hiring back of Bruce Pearl no matter how many fans cry for him. Bruce Pearl won't be getting $2.5 mill a year out the gate. He's only coveted in the SEC right now. Outside this league he's looked at as a dirty coach that schools won't want to touch. He's actually a very nice guy. He just pissed off the wrong guy 20 years ago. We can get Bruce Pearl and I think we can get him at $1.8 mill. Take us to the tourney and we'll bump it $200,000 each time. That's what I'd offer him.

[thf24]

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[Dawg61]

So, you disagree that years 1 and 2 were going to be a rebuild no matter what or who we hired? If that part can be assumed...what, then, are you bitching about?

The pace of this rebuild is what I'm bitching about. Y'all are fine with waiting for year 5 before we don't make it to the NCAA tournament before firing Ray. **** that. Go get us some ****ing players and lets atleast make the NIT next year. Can't find any players? Oh that sucks man cause you said you could. Guess we're getting another coach again. This time I bet they aren't anti-AAU.

[Brad Stevens]

I've seen MSU walk the ball up the court more times this year than the 14 seasons of Stansbury combined. Yes Ray's teams play hard AT TIMES but let's not act like they are the example of a hard working team and not the norm. VCU plays hard. Michigan State plays hard. Mississippi State doesn't play hard at all. With Stansbury or with Rick Ray.

Congratulations. You have solidified the fact you live in a fantasy land where you are Lord and ruler of all things MSU basketball. Even Ray-haters know we push the ball in transition AND play very hard.

By the way, I realize this is a fan site, and you are completely entitled to your opinion. It's when you present your opinion from the standpoint of being the all-knowing basketball guru (when your knowledge is completely lacking) that you make yourself look really dumb. Just think before you post, man. I want our country to improve, but I don't get on random political message boards enforcing my opinion as THE way to fix this country. It's just dumb.

[Dawg61]

Bringing the ball up the court has nothing to do with playing hard. If our players are as bad as you say they are, do you really want to see them try to play fast and force plays in transition?

YES THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO SEE! Use all 11 basketball players and fly up and down the ****ing court. You don't have to be a great shooter to score in transition which is mostly layups and shots within 10 feet. Run up and down the court every single play. That's why I've been asking for more Bear, Moore, Ready, Roq and Sword lineups. They are FAST. Be a fast basketball team and all sorts of new ways to score open up without needing to be able to shoot for shit.

[smootness]

The pace of this rebuild is what I'm bitching about. Y'all are fine with waiting for year 5 before we don't make it to the NCAA tournament before firing Ray. **** that. Go get us some ****ing players and lets atleast make the NIT next year. Can't find any players? Oh that sucks man cause you said you could. Guess we're getting another coach again. This time I bet they aren't anti-AAU.

I don't get you. I would assume you don't claim to be an expert on anything basketball, yet you make up your own mind as to the one or two things that we absolutely must do and then rail on Ray if he doesn't do them.

The pace of the rebuild? Next year our core roster will be juniors, not freshmen being thrown to the fire or still-maturing sophomores. They will be upperclassmen and should know exactly what they need to do and be much better at executing that? But you want to 'go get us some players'? From where? This seems like a very easy strategy...wonder why schools like Arkansas, Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, LSU, and Tennessee don't do it?

Things like this take time. They just do. Fans can say, 'Forget that, cut the whole roster and bring in great players!' all they want, but that doesn't mean it's possible.

[tcdog70]

This is a perfect example of skewing toward an agenda.

He has 1 player that he recruited that might be a decent Player. Where is the agenda, just a fact. Davis, Ok you might want to count Him. But He is a blight against Ray's ability to recruit.

[Dawg61]

Even Ray-haters know we push the ball in transition AND play very hard.

This isn't true Brad. We SELECTIVELY run in transition and we SELECTIVELY play hard. You know what's truly hard to do? Playing hard the entire game and sticking to the game plan of running in transition. We don't because we only have eight players. But wait that's not true we actually have ELEVEN players. I don't claim to be some basketball guru. I just speak my mind. You are the one that injects those comments in there.

[tcdog70]

Further example of skewing for an agenda.

You are the King of the Skew- I have to admit you can find Stats to sorta back up your arguments. "Stats are for Losers", who said that?

Here is a fact , Rays first recruits were Davis and Applewhite- and some dude that was a felon that he had to pull his scholly.. Fact-Ready was His lone ass recruit in His second year that is actually playing. But I am on pins and needles waiting for His JUCO player that was the third scorer on His JUCO team that couldn't pass JUCO algebra in two trys.

[Brad Stevens]

I realize the perk of a site like this is that you get to keep your anonymity. I would gain a lot of respect for you if you would admit your personal basketball experience. How long you played, how many hours you spent in a gym working on your craft, how much film you watched as a jr high/high school kid, what coaches you learned from, the positives and negatives of certain philosophies, etc. My guess (which you could admittedly lie about since you are an anonymous poster on a message board) is your experience stops at looking at rivals websites and watching MSU basketball games. SELECTIVELY running in transition (like you just referenced as a negative), is actually a very wise way to play basketball. Third graders just run up and down the court. A good point guard is selective when he pushes the ball. Anyone who has played basketball knows this.

[Dawg61]

But I am on pins and needles waiting for His JUCO player that was the third scorer on His JUCO team that couldn't pass JUCO algebra in two trys.

I think we all can agree on one thing. That was a ****ing hilarious sentence! Haha

[MadDawg]

Yet you only show up when it's time to bitch about our current basketball coach and team.

Your agenda is totally transparent -- and this isn't a new occurrence. It's been consistent for 2 years now.

I post when I want to. If you don't like it, ban me. It's really that easy.

And I don't bitch about our current basketball coach. I've corrected you several times on that point yet you still lie about me at every chance. Sounds like an agenda to me.

[Dawg61]

Brad I'm not giving you details about me personally because you're a ****ing prick without them. We can't shoot for shit so trying to score in transition is a very good idea yet we don't commit to it fully. I'm not saying they should sprint up and down like dumb asses and turn it over constantly but run up and down with the ball and if it's there take it or pull it back and run the offense. Ready and Bloodman walk the ball up 10+ times a game. They should only be doing that if we are up 20 points.

[Brad Stevens]

Brad I'm not giving you details about me personally because you're a ****ing prick without them.

Again, name-calling does not improve your credibility as a basketball guru just like my passion for my country does not make me a political guru. State your opinion as opinion and not as all-knowing fact, and we are all good here.

Also, I will take your silence on the issue as admission of the fact you have zero basketball experience, and I will do my best to stop responding to you. I just want to help others from being influenced by your lack of knowledge.

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

That is your Opinion. he has actually had 2 regular recruitings and an early signing.Do you think he wasn't recruiting players when he was at Clemson as was his main man Flanigan. But keep spinning and people that don't know better might think You no what you are talking about.

If he's had 2 full recruiting periods then he has to get credit for Sword and Ware (and Thomas) - you can't have your cake and eat it too

He has 1 player that he recruited that might be a decent Player. Where is the agenda, just a fact. Davis, Ok you might want to count Him. But He is a blight against Ray's ability to recruit.

So you are not willing to let Davis get his feet under him after a major surgery, get used to playing in the SEC, and mature as he becomes not a freshman before deeming him the worst player ever? You are also not willing to see if any of the other guys who are redshirting or coming in next year are actually any good before labeling them the worst? Also by your own logic of his 2 full recruiting cycles he's had at least 3 if not 4 decent players.

By your logic, Casey Prather (Florida senior, in the conversation for SEC POY, and who produced very little until this season) was also the worse player ever the past few years.

[Dawg61]

Again, name-calling does not improve your credibility as a basketball guru just like my passion for my country does not make me a political guru. State your opinion as opinion and not as all-knowing fact, and we are all good here.

Also, I will take your silence on the issue as admission of the fact you have zero basketball experience, and I will do my best to stop responding to you. I just want to help others from being influenced by your lack of knowledge.

I do state my opinion as opinion. I've never once said it's "all-knowing fact". Would you prefer I open and close my posts with 2c? For two cents. I don't need to list of my basketball resume to you either Brad. I'm not asking you to hire me. I prefer to keep my personal details to myself. That doesn't mean I don't have basketball experience. It's obvious I have some wether you want to admit it or not. From what I've gathered you are somewhat affiliated with the current regime so careful on wanting me to "out" my experience if you're not prepared to do the same. From SPS to here you have made your posts towards me more about wanting to control my messaging habits and learning my basketball experience than just posting about basketball. Just talk hoops brother and we'll get along fine. I don't expect to have to most popular opinions and you shouldn't expect to control them either.

[MadDawg]

State your opinion as opinion and not as all-knowing fact, and we are all good here.

Just curious if you have the same standards for everyone? There are several I-know-everything posters on here.

Also, when did you have to start posting your "experience" as a former player/coach/benchwarmer to have an opinion? In other words, when did this become genespage?

[Goat from MSU]

Well Done

Just curious if you have the same standards for everyone? There are several I-know-everything posters on here.

Also, when did you have to start posting your "experience" as a former player/coach/benchwarmer to have an opinion? In other words, when did this become genespage?

[hacker]

Again, name-calling does not improve your credibility as a basketball guru just like my passion for my country does not make me a political guru. State your opinion as opinion and not as all-knowing fact, and we are all good here.

Also, I will take your silence on the issue as admission of the fact you have zero basketball experience, and I will do my best to stop responding to you. I just want to help others from being influenced by your lack of knowledge.

Man. You have some strong posts in this thread.

[tcdog70]

Brad I'm not giving you details about me personally because you're a ****ing prick without them. We can't shoot for shit so trying to score in transition is a very good idea yet we don't commit to it fully. I'm not saying they should sprint up and down like dumb asses and turn it over constantly but run up and down with the ball and if it's there take it or pull it back and run the offense. Ready and Bloodman walk the ball up 10+ times a game. They should only be doing that if we are up 20 points.

This was pointed out by Bobby Knight, several times. Hey Brad, do you need to know Bobby Knight's credibility? Bobby pointed out how foolish it was for our guards to walk the ball up the court and how easily it was for the other team to beat us down the court for easy layups. he also pointed out the shitty coaching by the fact that we don't know how to cut off the baseline or play help defense. he also said none of our guards can stop dribble penetration.