Nick Weatherspoon

[mstatefan91]

Anyone know if Nick is on the bench tonight?

He did not travel with the team. Not sure he’s on the team anymore.

[Dawgcap]

I would think even if you are suspended you wouldn’t make a road trip. He sat at the home games but I don’t remember him at away games. You don’t give special treatment to someone suspended.

[Anonymous]

Complete. Utter. Horseshit.
The kids on campus know that the school is hard on kids about cheating on exams becuase they see it happen. They see kids get caught and get punished. Hell, this isn't even the first athlete kicked out of school over it (allegedly) in the last few years.

No they don't. In my time at State I never met a single kid who got in trouble, much less kicked out, for cheating. The number I knew of who did something that qualified as cheating at one point or another, well over 50%. Frankly, the gravity of the consequences isn't even communicated, or at least it wasn't in my time there.

Show me someone who got through Physics 2 without referencing old tests, or storing notes/examples in their calculator, and I'll show you a liar. Maybe cheating is less common, or more people get caught, in easier or different types of courses. But in engineering I'll just tell you that anything you could use to your advantage was used, and nobody ever got caught doing it.

[Walkerhill]

No they don't. In my time at State I never met a single kid who got in trouble, much less kicked out, for cheating. The number I knew of who did something that qualified as cheating at one point or another, well over 50%. Frankly, the gravity of the consequences isn't even communicated, or at least it wasn't in my time there.

Show me someone who got through Physics 2 without referencing old tests, or storing notes/examples in their calculator, and I'll show you a liar. Maybe cheating is less common, or more people get caught, in easier or different types of courses. But in engineering I'll just tell you that anything you could use to your advantage was used, and nobody ever got caught doing it.

Old tests? Were some of them caught studying too?

Using old tests that are publicly available is not cheating by any measure I ever heard. The professors know that returned tests from previous semesters are out there, and they plan accordingly. Or not - that?s on them.

Storing crap in your calculator is stone cold cheating. If someone was caught doing that it would be serious.

Having someone else take an online test for you during a period you are on national television not taking a test... is super duper cheating.

And yes, they talked to us about these things, every single semester, in every single course, during the first class when they went over the syllabus.

Conflating these 3 levels is senseless. Undermining our universities academic credibility over sports is also senseless.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

My point is the punishment isn't effectively relayed to the students beforehand

Agreed that it was never relayed to me when I was a student. Of course they didn't tell me not to murder, rape, or sell drugs, but I figured it out. If a college student can't figure out that cheating is wrong, then their dumbass shouldn't be in college period. If Nick cheated, then his ass should be shown the door. Period.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

No they don't. In my time at State I never met a single kid who got in trouble, much less kicked out, for cheating. The number I knew of who did something that qualified as cheating at one point or another, well over 50%. Frankly, the gravity of the consequences isn't even communicated, or at least it wasn't in my time there.

Show me someone who got through Physics 2 without referencing old tests, or storing notes/examples in their calculator, and I'll show you a liar. Maybe cheating is less common, or more people get caught, in easier or different types of courses. But in engineering I'll just tell you that anything you could use to your advantage was used, and nobody ever got caught doing it.

Don't call me a liar. I earned my grades on my own with hard work and effort. So go screw yourself.

[Dawg61]

Don't call me a liar. I earned my grades on my own with hard work and effort. So go screw yourself.

Lol every 19 year old that cheats is intentionally disrespecting you personally

[somebodyshotmypaw]

Lol every 19 year old that cheats is intentionally disrespecting you personally

No. The poster's exact quote was "Show me someone who got through Physics 2 without referencing old tests, or storing notes/examples in their calculator, and I'll show you a liar." I took physics 2 and succeeding by attending class, paying attention, taking notes, and studying. So he's calling me a liar.

[Anonymous]

No. The poster's exact quote was "Show me someone who got through Physics 2 without referencing old tests, or storing notes/examples in their calculator, and I'll show you a liar." I took physics 2 and succeeding by attending class, paying attention, taking notes, and studying. So he's calling me a liar.

You may have "took Physics and succeeding", but you sure as shit didn't learn anything about hyperboles. Everyone in my Physics 2 class used old tests and most of them used graphing calculators to store examples. Maybe you didn't take cal based, maybe you didn't have Afanosev, or maybe you're just full of shit. Regardless, grow some skin.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

You may have "took Physics and succeeding", but you sure as shit didn't learn anything about hyperboles. Everyone in my Physics 2 class used old tests and most of them used graphing calculators to store examples. Maybe you didn't take cal based, maybe you didn't have Afanosev, or maybe you're just full of shit. Regardless, grow some skin.

I've got skin. But you don't have to cheat to succeed. What the heck is wrong with working? Are you too much of a puss to put in the work? I don't remember who I had in physics 2, but I do know I didn't cheat. I guarantee that. I'm honestly amazed at the folks on this board who blow off cheating. Honestly amazed.

[Anonymous]

Old tests? Were some of them caught studying too?

Using old tests that are publicly available is not cheating by any measure I ever heard. The professors know that returned tests from previous semesters are out there, and they plan accordingly. Or not - that?s on them.

Storing crap in your calculator is stone cold cheating. If someone was caught doing that it would be serious.

Having someone else take an online test for you during a period you are on national television not taking a test... is super duper cheating.

And yes, they talked to us about these things, every single semester, in every single course, during the first class when they went over the syllabus.

Conflating these 3 levels is senseless. Undermining our universities academic credibility over sports is also senseless.

I mean, teachers have the ability to not allow graphing calculators. By the logic you used for old tests, they can account for them or not, that's on them. It's actually less of an advantage than old tests in most cases.

[Liverpooldawg]

Lol every 19 year old that cheats is intentionally disrespecting you personally

If you have a degree from MSU and what is being told here is true, that's exactly what it is, a personal insult. That ain't copying somebody's homework. It's having somebody take a test for you. That's serious academic fraud. I take it you don't have a degree from MSU. Given your take, yours must be from .....naw.

[Liverpooldawg]

No they don't. In my time at State I never met a single kid who got in trouble, much less kicked out, for cheating. The number I knew of who did something that qualified as cheating at one point or another, well over 50%. Frankly, the gravity of the consequences isn't even communicated, or at least it wasn't in my time there.

Show me someone who got through Physics 2 without referencing old tests, or storing notes/examples in their calculator, and I'll show you a liar. Maybe cheating is less common, or more people get caught, in easier or different types of courses. But in engineering I'll just tell you that anything you could use to your advantage was used, and nobody ever got caught doing it.

Having someone take a test for you is just a bit different man. That's SERIOUS academic fraud. There is cheating, and there is CHEATING.

[Dawg61]

If you have a degree from MSU and what is being told here is true, that's exactly what it is, a personal insult. That ain't copying somebody's homework. It's having somebody take a test for you. That's serious academic fraud. I take it you don't have a degree from MSU. Given your take, yours must be from .....naw.

I have a degree from State moron or else I wouldn't be subjecting myself to "chatting" with you on this board and Nick supposedly cheating doesn't disrespect my degree one bit. I couldn't give a shit what anyone else does it'll never disrespect the work I did personally to earn my degree. I will say though that sometimes others do act, stand for or say things that embarrasse my school that I don't appreciate but this isn't one of those times.

[Quaoarsking]

I knew dozens of math and engineering majors who took Physics 2 and none of them cheated, at least not on the level of programming a cheat sheet into their calculator for an exam, which at the absolute most lenient would be an automatic F in the course, and probably an expulsion too.

I would assume every professor would make people clear the memory from their calculators just in case to prevent this kind of cheating, so it's not a very clever way to cheat anyway.

[Liverpooldawg]

No. The poster's exact quote was "Show me someone who got through Physics 2 without referencing old tests, or storing notes/examples in their calculator, and I'll show you a liar." I took physics 2 and succeeding by attending class, paying attention, taking notes, and studying. So he's calling me a liar.

I had a bad prof for Physics II. Found that out after my first test, I made a 20. Luckily the guy gave us a drop grade if we never missed a class. I used the book to teach myself that class. I went to class with a 103 fever one day. I got an A and I never cheated AT ALL. I damn sure took every test myself, including the dang 20, lol.

[Dawgcap]

Old tests aren’t cheating. Cmon let’s be real.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

I had a bad prof for Physics II. Found that out after my first test, I made a 20. Luckily the guy gave us a drop grade if we never missed a class. I used the book to teach myself that class. I went to class with a 103 fever one day. I got an A and I never cheated AT ALL. I damn sure took every test myself, including the dang 20, lol.

That's what I'm talking about. I went four years to MSU and never missed a single class. I wasn't scared of the work. I can remember going to the Landing on Thursday night, heck I even lived in the frat house. Still got my work done.

[Liverpooldawg]

That's what I'm talking about. I went four years to MSU and never missed a single class. I wasn't scared of the work. I can remember going to the Landing on Thursday night, heck I even lived in the frat house. Still got my work done.

Yeah, and I just got a personal comment telling me I'm terrible, I assume from 61. He can't ban me here. Funny, the board he DID ban me on on this site, I can post on now, which I do very infrequently. He can't. Blatant in your face cheating is demeaning to the university and to everyone that has a degree from it. We are a UNIVERSITY, an educational institution. We are not a minor league sports franchise.

[Dawg61]

I knew dozens of math and engineering majors who took Physics 2 and none of them cheated, at least not on the level of programming a cheat sheet into their calculator for an exam, which at the absolute most lenient would be an automatic F in the course, and probably an expulsion too.

I would assume every professor would make people clear the memory from their calculators just in case to prevent this kind of cheating, so it's not a very clever way to cheat anyway.

They'd be pretty awful cheaters if you knew they were doing it