John Cohen, it's time for you to do your job

[Cooterpoot]

How much was he offered to stay?

Not 750K.

[Backspin]

According to USA Today, the MSU assistant coach compensation pool is $3.6 million...last in the SEC. As a comparison, TSUN?s pool is $5.1 million. However, we are spending $60 million on baseball. Maybe we should have spent $50 million on a great baseball stadium and pumped $2 million per year more into the football assistants who were doing a great job. Especially since football is the revenue driver. And I?m a baseball guy.

[Homedawg]

A school with stability? LOL. And he was offered big money to stay.

Again, we didn't lose him bc of money. As w most every coach we've ever lost.

[yjnkdawg]

According to USA Today, the MSU assistant coach compensation pool is $3.6 million...last in the SEC. As a comparison, TSUN?s pool is $5.1 million. However, we are spending $60 million on baseball. Maybe we should have spent $50 million on a great baseball stadium and pumped $2 million per year more into the football assistants who were doing a great job. Especially since football is the revenue driver. And I?m a baseball guy.

I agree our assistant coaches need more money, but if we have an assistant coach who Bama wants, and our coach, being offered by Bama, has mutual feelings about moving to Tuscaloosa, then you can forget ir on the money thing. So yeah we need to supplement our assistant coaches, but that is not going to prevent things like this.

[HoopsDawg]

According to USA Today, the MSU assistant coach compensation pool is $3.6 million...last in the SEC. As a comparison, TSUN?s pool is $5.1 million. However, we are spending $60 million on baseball. Maybe we should have spent $50 million on a great baseball stadium and pumped $2 million per year more into the football assistants who were doing a great job. Especially since football is the revenue driver. And I?m a baseball guy.

Screw that. Extra 10 mill well spent.

[Cooterpoot]

Again, we didn't lose him bc of money. As w most every coach we've ever lost.

We didn’t lose him to a promotion either. You guys can accept it to be true if you want. He’s just paid better.

[HoopsDawg]

Again, we didn't lose him bc of money. As w most every coach we've ever lost.

Well, it's kind of about money.

[Todd4State]

The only way for us to have the stability that it seems like a lot of our fans want to have at the rate that we are paying would be to hire a MSU grad that loves MSU above all else except God and to hire a staff that has the same feelings about MSU. Kind of like Cohen for us in baseball. Unfortunately there isn't really what I would consider a qualified coaching candidate on the horizon like that.

That said I would like to see us hire someone that is from Mississippi next time as our coach and see how that goes. I bet our fans would accept them more easily than someone from the North.

[Hambone]

Crazy thing is, 98% of you would do the EXACT same thing... The other % would just be the rare exception.

[TUSK]

Crazy thing is, 98% of you would do the EXACT same thing... The other 2% would too.

FTFY

[CadaverDawg]

Again, we didn't lose him bc of money. As w most every coach we've ever lost.

He didn't go to Bama for less money, I guarantee you that. It was bare minimum equal to what we offered him to stay, but likely more. And therein lies the problem....if you pay the man upfront what you felt he is worth on his way out the door, you might not have people snooping around to begin with. We try to be cheap until it's too late.

In other words, if we threw out a $750k matching offer after Bama did, well of course he leaves....but if we extend him for $750k right after or during the season, it makes a statement that you better be ready to pay for Baker if you try to get him, and most would steer clear. But when they look and see he's making $350k while coaching up the best DL in the country, you might as well have a neon sign above his head saying "Priced To Move!"

[Homedawg]

Well, it's kind of about money.

Of pay we're exacrly the same he'd still be gone. No different than Geoff Collins.

[KOdawg1]

One of the reasons I like EliteDawgs is the fact that there are opinions that aren't all sunshine and flower posts. I stay away from GenesPage when bad stuff happens for that reason.

Guys, it's okay to melt a little. We all want what's best for MSU and some aren't satisfied with mediocrity. And that's okay.

[yjnkdawg]

He didn't go to Bama for less money, I guarantee you that. It was bare minimum equal to what we offered him to stay, but likely more. And therein lies the problem....if you pay the man upfront what you felt he is worth on his way out the door, you might not have people snooping around to begin with. We try to be cheap until it's too late.

In other words, if we threw out a $750k matching offer after Bama did, well of course he leaves....but if we extend him for $750k right after or during the season, it makes a statement that you better be ready to pay for Baker if you try to get him, and most would steer clear. But when they look and see he's making $350k while coaching up the best DL in the country, you might as well have a neon sign above his head saying "Priced To Move!"

He accepted the extension agreement (negotiation) so he must have thought that was an acceptable deal, at that time. You don't over pay if a person accepts an offered contract. That's not a good business practice and Cohen definitely isn't going to to do that. Then Bama comes a calling and offers him an assistant position. He takes the Bama position because he feels it is in the best interest of his family, and his future expectations and goals. I don't know if Baker wants to be a DC or some day be a head coach, but getting in the Saban coaching tree sure has worked for some who wanted to move up to a coordinator or head coach. Again I think our assistant coaches need higher salaries to at least meet the average in the SEC if not higher, but if there is mutual feelings on a move to Tuscaloosa then Bama will win.

[Bothrops]

Maybe they want to go somewhere they can do the same job, but get better results. More W's. Work the same level, without all the negativity and grief from losing every other week. At Bama, you may not have to lose once.

[Todd4State]

One of the reasons I like EliteDawgs is the fact that there are opinions that aren't all sunshine and flower posts. I stay away from GenesPage when bad stuff happens for that reason.

Guys, it's okay to melt a little. We all want what's best for MSU and some aren't satisfied with mediocrity. And that's okay.

You call this a little melt?**

People are acting like our football program is going to collapse because Alabama hired our d-line coach.

[Todd4State]

Maybe they want to go somewhere they can do the same job, but get better results. More W's. Work the same level, without all the negativity and grief from losing every other week. At Bama, you may not have to lose once.

I assure you Bama has their share of negativity and grief from their fans. And it's probably worse than MSU when you take into account the nitpicking things that their fans bitch about and the fact that they win anyway. It would be like me bitching that we only beat someone 56-0 instead of 63-0 and we failed because we didn't win the National Championship.

Most of the coaches don't give a rats ass what we think or say about them.

[dawgday166]

You call this a little melt?**

People are acting like our football program is going to collapse because Alabama hired our d-line coach.

If replacing coaches and staff chemistry weren't that important then Saban wouldn't have had his ass handed to him so badly this past year. And if SEC refs weren't helping him out ... he'd probably have lost more than just 2 games over last 2 years too.

To me our better chances are trying to emulate Dabo ... which means staff continuity.

Not saying our program is going to collapse, but Pickering plus Young would've been a step forward to something better. I'm personally saying bye-bye to Young and ain't totally convinced Pickering ain't in jeopardy yet. And staff continuity and chemistry on the D staff could've helped a lot too. AND ... unlike you I don't have complete faith in Joe on the O side of the ball just yet.

Plus, Saban just got a really good coach and recruiter from all I've read and ... those don't seem to be a dime a dozen. I do sorta trust Shoop to have good ideas about replacements tho.

More than anything tho ... I'm just sick of Saban and his bullshit. Now if we get a great Dline coach and recruiter, Pickering and Young, then I melted for nothing.

[Coach007]

I know people are mad, but you can not fault a coach.

Just look at our own fan base. You guys would turn out a coach in a year if you could. You talk about it with JoMo. If it betters him or his family, I'm not faulting him because like I said.... fickle fans.

As to no competition clauses. Hard time getting them to hold up in court.

[CadaverDawg]

He accepted the extension agreement (negotiation) so he must have thought that was an acceptable deal, at that time. You don't over pay if a person accepts an offered contract. That's not a good business practice and Cohen definitely isn't going to to do that. Then Bama comes a calling and offers him an assistant position. He takes the Bama position because he feels it is in the best interest of his family, and his future expectations and goals. I don't know if Baker wants to be a DC or some day be a head coach, but getting in the Saban coaching tree sure has worked for some who wanted to move up to a coordinator or head coach. Again I think our assistant coaches need higher salaries to at least meet the average in the SEC if not higher, but if there is mutual feelings on a move to Tuscaloosa then Bama will win.

Wrong. You DO overpay when you can't keep coaches in today's landscape. Of course he accepted the deal, he hadn't been offered a better one at the time. Had we paid up, they may not even come knocking, who knows.