We are 118th in the nation in time of possession

[Santiago]

I am so glad Peterson, I mean Arnett, and those good ole boy decision makers changed things up.
That was at least Arnett's excuse a few weeks ago for saying one thing when hired and doing another.

Thanks for allowing me to vent sarcastically here.

[EdwardDrayton]

I mean, it's just one stat but that's out of what, maybe 125 D1 schools that have football. So they should have four or five categories ranging from The Best to 100-125 being Y'all Suck At This.

[Santiago]

I mean, it's just one stat but that's out of what, maybe 125 D1 schools that have football. So they should have four or five categories ranging from The Best to 100-125 being Y'all Suck At This.

just one category, but it was what Arnett said as his big reason to changing his offense, time of possession. That was what he told SEC Network this season as to why he said at hiring he was keeping mostly the same, and then after hired made a 180 change.

[Santiago]

I mean, it's just one stat but that's out of what, maybe 125 D1 schools that have football. So they should have four or five categories ranging from The Best to 100-125 being Y'all Suck At This.

you make a good point. I got curious and looked at a few other stats.
- Yards per game ... 106th
- Scoring per game ... 81th
- Time of possession... 118th
Edit: and this is against some weak defenses statistically so far this year.

Just my take, but we were on a good track the past couple of years for an offense that helped us against more talented teams, and we were recruiting more athletic QBs for that system . But some good ole boys saying otherwise.

[gtowndawg]

Our Offense is Bad.
Our Defense is Bad.
Our Coaching is Bad.

We need to start over and get a real staff in here. Not the keystone cops, a REAL staff.

[Really Clark?]

Have y'all calculated our TOP last year in SEC games? It was not good, especially for a ball control offense. BTW, Kentucky is one position above us and Vandy, Tenn and UM are below us this year.

[dawgday166]

Our Offense is Bad.
Our Defense is Bad.
Our Coaching is Bad.

We need to start over and get a real staff in here. Not the keystone cops, a REAL staff.

So far .. it may be worse than JoMo ever was. Hard to do but they done it. If we go 4-8 ... burn it down and start over IMO.

And if we don't do that, at the very least get C34 off the payroll. Then he'll be the head cheerleader bashing everything the staff does. One of them farts crossways .... he'll be all over that telling em how they need to fart, how much they suck, etc.

[CaptainObvious]

you make a good point. I got curious and looked at a few other stats.
- Yards per game ... 106th
- Scoring per game ... 81th
- Time of possession... 118th
Edit: and this is against some weak defenses statistically so far this year.

Just my take, but we were on a good track the past couple of years for an offense that helped us against more talented teams, and we were recruiting more athletic QBs for that system . But some good ole boys saying otherwise.

I keep hearing about these good ole cigar boys but I find it hard to believe that actually <choose> to lose in order to get their way. Unless, they are clandestine Ole Miss Rebels sabotaging our program.

[dawgday166]

I keep hearing about these good ole cigar boys but I find it hard to believe that actually <choose> to lose in order to get their way. Unless, they are clandestine Ole Miss Rebels sabotaging our program.

Talking about the staff moreso than the money men. However ...

Bama stayed mired in mediocrity for around 30 years after Bear (with exception of a couple of years under Stallings). Every coach had to go along with a revolving door of Bama good ole boys, former Bama greats, etc. coming in and giving them football advice and whatnot.

They finally got desperate and went and hired Saban. Saban told them up front none of that shit was gonna take place under him ... HE was running the program and only him.

Fast forward 15 years later ....

[BlackSailsDawg]

I keep hearing about these good ole cigar boys but I find it hard to believe that actually <choose> to lose in order to get their way. Unless, they are clandestine Ole Miss Rebels sabotaging our program.

It's more of a elitist mentality. "I know better than you what MSU needs"

[BuckyIsAB****]

Some of us are getting EXACTLY what we wished for.

[dawgday166]

Some of us are getting EXACTLY what we wished for.

And I'm a betting I know EXACTLY what you mean by that. Not all state fans really care about winning. It's all sunshine and rainbows ain't it? I imagine there wasn't any mourning by some last December.

[BrunswickDawg]

It's more of an elitist mentality. "I know better than you what MSU needs"

It all started with probably these same guys grandfathers leading the charge to get Allyn McKeen fired - https://www.forwhomthecowbelltolls.c...reener-problem

[dawgday166]

It all started with probably these same guys grandfathers leading the charge to get Allyn McKeen fired - https://www.forwhomthecowbelltolls.c...reener-problem

Plus probably some new power brokers too.

[SPMT]

Our Offense is Bad.
Our Defense is Bad.
Our Coaching is Bad.

We need to start over and get a real staff in here. Not the keystone cops, a REAL staff.

It?s abundantly clear, despite what C34 and the good ole boys say.

It?s so clear, Ray Charles can see it.

[BlackSailsDawg]

And I'm a betting I know EXACTLY what you mean by that. Not all state fans really care about winning. It's all sunshine and rainbows ain't it? I imagine there wasn't any mourning by some last December.

Yep. It's about feeling important and access.

[BuckyIsAB****]

And I'm a betting I know EXACTLY what you mean by that. Not all state fans really care about winning. It's all sunshine and rainbows ain't it? I imagine there wasn't any mourning by some last December.

I think 99 percent care about winning.

But there was a large portion that was never ever going to go all in on Leach or anything to do with him. It is why we have hired guys to completely wash the program of Leach. All that is really left is Tyson Brown. And he wont be here next year. Watch.

We wanted to GET TUFF and win the way you have to win in the SEC by bleaching the program of one of the toughest coaches of all time and one of the few left that cared about doing it the right way. We didnt win because of the air raid. We won because of the culture and everything off the field.

But that wasnt good enough. So here we are. We are letting our good ol boys hire a good ol
Boy with an axe to grind that took full advantage of a first time head coach who needed a guiding hand. Thank God we are doing things the same way we have tried before I hated winning 9 games and beating ranked teams. And having a TRULY tough team.

Our kids went thru more or arguably just as much as anyone in the country since 2020 and we still won. But that wasnt good enough. Because the head coach didnt do it our way

[BuckyIsAB****]

And before someone tries to pick it apart, were we perfect and did we score 49 a game? Absolutely not. Was leach a 24/7 recruiting maniac? Hell no. No one wants to do that. Especially the way the system is now. But we were vastly vastly vastly better than we are right now. And 100000 percent tougher.

We needed to tweak the offense, not nuke it. We hired some folks who hated it and made sure it was disposed of. Congratulations. I hope yall have gotten what you wanted.

[dawgday166]

I think 99 percent care about winning.

But there was a large portion that was never ever going to go all in on Leach or anything to do with him. It is why we have hired guys to completely wash the program of Leach. All that is really left is Tyson Brown. And he wont be here next year. Watch.

We wanted to GET TUFF and win the way you have to win in the SEC by bleaching the program of one of the toughest coaches of all time and one of the few left that cared about doing it the right way. We didnt win because of the air raid. We won because of the culture and everything off the field.

But that wasnt good enough. So here we are. We are letting our good ol boys hire a good ol
Boy with an axe to grind that took full advantage of a first time head coach who needed a guiding hand. Thank God we are doing things the same way we have tried before I hated winning 9 games and beating ranked teams. And having a TRULY tough team.

Our kids went thru more or arguably just as much as anyone in the country since 2020 and we still won. But that wasnt good enough. Because the head coach didnt do it our way

I think what C34 has really, truly been telling us so far this season is ... that the 99% can go kick rocks and pound sand. They are in the "Airborne Cult".

JoMo 2.0 ... SMFH.

ETA: Personally ... I'm in the "Play hard nosed, tough football and win games Cult".

I'd take Mullen's "Country Club" back in a heartbeat. I honestly can't see how to blame him now for wanting to leave and eventually leaving.

I agree with everything you've said and I said early on our S&C, toughness, etc. wasn't the same. Part of the speed problem is that too.

[BuckyIsAB****]

I think what C34 has really, truly been telling us so far this season is ... that 99% can go kick rocks and pound sand. They are are in the "Airborne Cult".

JoMo 2.0 ... SMFH.

Im not going to speak for him. But this isnt working.

We are not worse in almost every aspect of the game except RUNNING DA BAWL for no reason. It?s not an accident. I am pro running the ball dont get it twisted. But we have lost who we are. The one of us hire got bamboozled into becoming what some of us wanted us to be. If that makes sense