Sunday Morning Thoughts- This Is Going To Hurt Edition

[StarkVegasSteve]

Well there is no settling down after last night. Another embarrassing game and embarrassing coaching decisions.

1. Arnett needs to be fired this year, but we will give him another year. Arnett is in so far over his head at this point and even he knows it. It is so painfully obvious that this guy has no clue how to be a HC or the decisions that go along with it. Hell, he has Brad Peterson and Steve Campbell down there advising him on everything.

2. Brock needs to be fired today and we need to get out of the 3-3-5. I know Arnett is also partly to blame for the 3-3-5 but we do not have the lineman to run it. The DC has to see that and yet he keeps putting the same look out there that gets no pressure on the QB and we the holes in the run game are wider than when Moses parted the Red Sea.

3. Barbay seems to have figured at least a little something out. We were able to sustain some drives last night and the run game looked ok at times. Barbay is just so hamstringed by the limitations at the QB position that it takes out about 65% of his playbook.

4. Bench Will Rodgers. This has run its course and it is time to move on. We thank Will for his service and use Wright the rest of the year and find someone in the portal. Hopefully Parson is ready in 2025

5. Get ready for a long season and unless major changes are made a long season next year.

[Political Hack]

The easy critique is this is Will Rogers fault. I just don't see it. Some of his play has been bad for sure, but his skill set didn't just change overnight. He's still good at the same things. Quick reads, get the ball out, attack different areas of the field to keep the defense honest, run option routes with the guys underneath, throw it to the RBs some to substitute for the running game, etc... we're not doing any of that. Wholesale change with players that don't fit the scheme. That's poor game planning. You could look at the run vs pass split after the first two games and know what was about to happen. Who in the right minds thought we were going to bow up and run the ball against SEC defenses consistently with the guys we have on campus? To me, this is 100% on the administrators and coaches.

[dawgday166]

I posted this in another thread but it may be more appropriate for this thread. So I'm gonna post it here and go delete the other one. And I posted it in reply to Clark's blaming the QB and D for last night's loss. So the "you" is in reply to Clark.

The QB held us back last year and he's holding it back this year. Which is what I said last year. Our offense right now ain't good, and it ain't any better than it was last year.

Now, having said that, I saw some pretty decent things last night offensively, although if Barbay runs another damn gimmick play as he has run several times this year (like the double reverse last night), I'm gonna be ready to fire him on the spot. All the ones we have run so far are slow to develop, go nowhere, and have been wasted downs.

I'm not ready to fire the staff on either side of the ball just yet. I saw some pretty decent things on both sides of the ball I liked last night. And last night we were down all the Dline depth we have, but you ain't saying that in blaming our D and the QB for last night. Just like C34 is saying the QB is holding us back this year, but last year it was Leach's Air Raid. We moved the ball last year against Bama in T-Town, we just didn't get it in the end zone. And last year, the refs started the game even much worse than last night. It's also pretty devastating when you play a game as banged up as we were last night on D, and they still only gave up 23 pts if you take away a pick 6 and short fields due to 2 other picks. They scrapped hard all night. LBs played pretty decent too. We still a little on the slow side but played faster last night than we have been playing. That could be due to confusion some, or maybe just motivation.

At this point in the season last year we had scored 42 against TAM and 40 against Arky. And we had some explosive plays on offense in those games too. Yet the anti-AR/Leach crowd weren't too excited and hardly said a word about those wins. This year, the main anti-AR critic Mr. Football, C34 himself, is having a love fest with this crew, no criticisms at all. It's all sunshine and roses and the staff just needs more time. Yet in 2020 Covid year with no Spring Practice and playing a bunch of true freshmen, he was all over Leach and his AR saying it wouldn't work in SEC and Leach sucked. And he stayed on him the whole time, regardless of if we played well or not. To me that's bullshit, is agenda driven, and has nothing to do with wanting to win or winning football games. He was anti-AR mostly cause he was cutoff from the coaching staff. Now his homeboys are all in there and it's all good.

Going back to the staff. We're MSU, which is frankly probably the 2nd worst job in the SEC beside Vandy. We won't pay coaches or players like other schools will (including KY), we have to recruit against OM, LSU, Bama, and AU (and sometimes UGA now not to mention TAM nosing in over here now) for talent in our own state, which even KY doesn't have to do as much as we do.

This coaching staff is young. Zach is very inexperienced. However, unless we luck into someone like a Freeze or Petrino or whatnot (like Leach), we probably ain't getting a top notch Head Coach, even very good up-n-comers, to come to MSU.

As I said, Zach is young and very inexperienced. So far, he's been protected mostly as the DC. Now, he has all kinds of people in his ears and he has to figure out who to listen to and who to ignore (let's just hope he don't start ignoring or cutting off C34 from his homeboys, or we'll be hearing how much he sucks ad nauseum on this board forever *).

Having said all that, I'm personally inclined to see where this year goes and try to stick with the staff and let them grow and learn. Cause otherwise, we gonna end up doing the same shit AU has done the last several years, and we don't have the pockets nor the clout to lobby the SEC to let us hire a Freeze or Briles type of coach to bail us out on the winning football games front. And I also personally don't trust our admin to hire a good coach either. So if we can squeak out a couple of SEC wins maybe and stick with it, I'm inclined to give this young staff some time to grow together. It took Dabo a good while to evolve at Clemson. We ain't gonna hire any coach that comes in and wins big tomorrow, even with NIL.

And let's fervently hope C34 don't get cutoff from his homeboys in the process*

[Todd4State]

I posted this in another thread but it may be more appropriate for this thread. So I'm gonna post it here and go delete the other one.

The QB held us back last year and he's holding it back this year. Which is what I said last year. Our offense right now ain't good, and it ain't any better than it was last year.

Now, having said that, I saw some pretty decent things last night offensively, although if Barbay runs another damn gimmick play as he has run several times this year (like the double reverse last night), I'm gonna be ready to fire him on the spot. All the ones we have run so far are slow to develop, go nowhere, and have been wasted downs.

I'm not ready to fire the staff on either side of the ball just yet. I saw some pretty decent things on both sides of the ball I liked last night. And last night we were down all the Dline depth we have, but you ain't saying that in blaming our D and the QB for last night. Just like C34 is saying the QB is holding us back this year, but last year it was Leach's Air Raid. We moved the ball last year against Bama in T-Town, we just didn't get it in the end zone. And last year, the refs started the game even much worse than last night. It's also pretty devastating when you play a game as banged up as we were last night on D, and they still only gave up 23 pts if you take away a pick 6 and short fields due to 2 other picks. They scrapped hard all night. LBs played pretty decent too. We still a little on the slow side but played faster last night than we have been playing. That could be due to confusion some, or maybe just motivation.

At this point in the season last year we had scored 42 against TAM and 40 against Arky. And we had some explosive plays on offense in those games too. Yet the anti-AR/Leach crowd weren't too excited and hardly said a word about those wins. This year, the main anti-AR critic Mr. Football, C34 himself, is having a love fest with this crew, no criticisms at all. It's all sunshine and roses and the staff just needs more time. Yet in 2020 Covid year with no Spring Practice and playing a bunch of true freshmen, he was all over Leach and his AR saying it wouldn't work in SEC and Leach sucked. And he stayed on him the whole time, regardless of if we played well or not. To me that's bullshit, is agenda driven, and has nothing to do with wanting to win or winning football games. He was anti-AR mostly cause he was cutoff from the coaching staff. Now his homeboys are all in there and it's all good.

Going back to the staff. We're MSU, which is frankly probably the 2nd worst job in the SEC beside Vandy. We won't pay coaches or players like other schools will (including KY), we have to recruit against OM, LSU, Bama, and AU (and sometimes UGA now not to mention TAM nosing in over here now) for talent in our own state, which even KY doesn't have to do as much as we do.

This coaching staff is young. Zach is very inexperienced. However, unless we luck into someone like a Freeze or Petrino or whatnot (like Leach), we probably ain't getting a top notch Head Coach, even very good up-n-comers, to come to MSU.

As I said, Zach is young and very inexperienced. So far, he's been protected mostly as the DC. Now, he has all kinds of people in his ears and he has to figure out who to listen to and who to ignore (let's just hope he don't start ignoring or cutting off C34 from his homeboys, or we'll be hearing how much he sucks ad nauseum on this board forever *).

Having said all that, I'm personally inclined to see where this year goes and try to stick with the staff and let them grow and learn. Cause otherwise, we gonna end up doing the same shit AU has done the last several years, and we don't have the pockets nor the clout to lobby the SEC to let us hire a Freeze or Briles type of coach to bail us out on the winning football games front. And I also personally don't trust our admin to hire a good coach either. So if we can squeak out a couple of SEC wins maybe and stick with it, I'm inclined to give this young staff some time to grow together. It took Dabo a good while to evolve at Clemson. We ain't gonna hire any coach that comes in and wins big tomorrow, even with NIL.

And let's fervently hope C34 don't get cutoff from his homeboys in the process*

Nah. This staff is in over their heads. We need to pull the plug quickly.

[TrapGame]

Nah. This staff is in over their heads. We need to pull the plug quickly.

If Peterson could have been any farther up Arnett's ass last night he could have given him a colonoscopy. It was obvious every time the camera panned to Arnett that Peterson was telling him what he should do. That ain't being a head coach. Arnett is in way over his head. This is Croom level territory now.

[dawgday166]

Nah. This staff is in over their heads. We need to pull the plug quickly.

Ok ... and get who??

[SaintDawg]

1. Get on the NIL bus and start paying these kids to come here. Roll with it or get rolled over.
2. Drop the moral superiority charade and get a coach that wins, period. As long as he isnt breaking the law, I dont care what he did before or does now in his off time as long as he wins. If you aint cheatin, you aint tryin.
3. Im at the point now that I want us to be hated in the SEC as being ruthless on the field. I had rather be known as mean than soft. Win or lose. I wanna see some Dillon Day stepping on players after the tackle stuff. I want teams to be afraid to play us not because they may lose but because they may get hurt. I’d rather be feared than liked.

I’m just fed up and angry. I dont understand why 13 other SEC schools get it and we dont. Cant blame Selmon… yet. It has to be be Keenum. Bash away.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Ok ... and get who??

At the P5 level I think you would look at Jake Dikert at Wazzu or Lance Leipold at Kansas. Go down to the G5 level and you probably would be looking at Willie Fritz, Kane Wommack, Jon Sumrall, Curt Cignetti, or Jason Candle. If you go coordinator at the P5 level I think you may be looking at Petrino or Sean Lewis. And if you just want the female enrollment and female gameday attendance to go up then Kliff Kingsbury is at USC with Riley.

[msstate7]

Ok ... and get who??

I think we need to look at 3 things to determine arnett's fate more than wins bc we aren't winning many...
1. Offensive improvement - we've actually saw some signs here the last 2 weeks. Need to step it up even more.
2. Defensive improvement - this pass defense is awful, and the run defense isn't good. Need to find ways to at least slow teams down.
3. Recruiting - we have talent issues imo. Can arnett fix that? He needs to be pointing the trail after some talent

[dawgday166]

I think we need to look at 3 things to determine arnett's fate more than wins bc we aren't winning many...
1. Offensive improvement - we've actually saw some signs here the last 2 weeks. Need to step it up even more.
2. Defensive improvement - this pass defense is awful, and the run defense isn't good. Need to find ways to at least slow teams down.
3. Recruiting - we have talent issues imo. Can arnett fix that? He needs to be pointing the trail after some talent

Totally agree ... that's the reason for the post. Plus, I still say he has to figure out who to ignore and who to listen to. And unfortunately, he can't just ignore the big $$ folks paying his and his staff's salary. He has to learn how to navigate with them.

Not saying the D is great, but it is pretty banged up right now. Imagine if Simmons and/or Sweat had been hurt in 2018.

[Really Clark?]

Totally agree ... that's the reason for the post. Plus, I still say he has to figure out who to ignore and who to listen to. And unfortunately, he can't just ignore the big $$ folks paying his and his staff's salary. He has to learn how to navigate with them.

Not saying the D is great, but it is pretty banged up right now. Imagine if Simmons and/or Sweat had been hurt in 2018.

Yeah I actually thought the front 7 was really gutsy last night playing with just 2 DL several times. The backend is so much in trouble it's pick your poison. Go after the QB or play coverage hasn't mattered either way so far. But I did like some of the changes made in personnel last night.

[dawgday166]

At the P5 level I think you would look at Jake Dikert at Wazzu or Lance Leipold at Kansas. Go down to the G5 level and you probably would be looking at Willie Fritz, Kane Wommack, Jon Sumrall, Curt Cignetti, or Jason Candle. If you go coordinator at the P5 level I think you may be looking at Petrino or Sean Lewis. And if you just want the female enrollment and female gameday attendance to go up then Kliff Kingsbury is at USC with Riley.

My thought is ... what'll end up happening is we'll screw it up and get another JoMo most likely.

[Really Clark?]

At the P5 level I think you would look at Jake Dikert at Wazzu or Lance Leipold at Kansas. Go down to the G5 level and you probably would be looking at Willie Fritz, Kane Wommack, Jon Sumrall, Curt Cignetti, or Jason Candle. If you go coordinator at the P5 level I think you may be looking at Petrino or Sean Lewis. And if you just want the female enrollment and female gameday attendance to go up then Kliff Kingsbury is at USC with Riley.

I like Kinne at TX State as well.

[civildawg]

My thought is ... what'll end up happening is we'll screw it up and get another JoMo most likely.

Uh... we have another Jomo currently

[dawgday166]

Uh... we have another Jomo currently

No ... JoMo was an arrogant bastard that had us practicing indoors in August cause he couldn't take the August heat in MS. JoMo's receivers dropped passes right and left. JoMo started Hill over Aeris which ended up getting Fitz killed most every game.

JoMo was inexperienced and thought he knew everything. Zach is inexperienced and willing to learn I think.

[TrapGame]

At the P5 level I think you would look at Jake Dikert at Wazzu or Lance Leipold at Kansas. Go down to the G5 level and you probably would be looking at Willie Fritz, Kane Wommack, Jon Sumrall, Curt Cignetti, or Jason Candle. If you go coordinator at the P5 level I think you may be looking at Petrino or Sean Lewis. And if you just want the female enrollment and female gameday attendance to go up then Kliff Kingsbury is at USC with Riley.

I'm going to throw this name out there because it is a possibility. Shane Beamer. Not saying we hire him but he has a lot of State ties and is one of Selmon's BFFs. However, if it's between Petrino and Beamer, I'd go with Petrino every time. I'd go Willie Fritz over Beamer too.

[TrapGame]

No ... JoMo was an arrogant bastard that had us practicing indoors in August cause he couldn't take the August heat in MS. JoMo's receivers dropped passes right and left. JoMo started Hill over Aeris which ended up getting Fitz killed most every game.

JoMo was inexperienced and thought he knew everything. Zach is inexperienced and willing to learn I think.

Learning from Brad Peterson. He's being set up for failure.

[Joebob]

I haven't been keeping up the way I need to, but does anybody know why Creed doesn't play anymore? Same reason they won't change quarterbacks? He had an impressive first game but I don't think I've heard his name mentioned since then.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I haven't been keeping up the way I need to, but does anybody know why Creed doesn't play anymore? Same reason they won't change quarterbacks? He had an impressive first game but I don't think I've heard his name mentioned since then.

The reasoning given is that he plays behind Tulu so I guess it is illegal to put them in at the same time.

[dawgday166]

Learning from Brad Peterson. He's being set up for failure.

Now I might not argue that one. That's why I say Zach has to learn how to filter input. Can he learn that? Dunno yet.