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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    He had four losing seasons in a row at Georgia
    But he never won less than 10 conference games. We have won 9 in back to back seasons. Look, it is ok to just admit you like Lemonis and you did not want him to get fired. But there are no stats that make him look good. He won on the talent of others and since his guys have been here we have sucked. It will be the same thing next year and we will be looking for a new coach in May 2024. Is what it is.

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    schddog72 said it all and said it best. I just hope Lemo reads this.

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    You guys are really overvaluing ?player development?. In regards to baseball the development is done during the summers and in the minors. There isnt that much practice time in college to develop players. They either have it or they don?t. This past two years are some of the least talented MSU teams in a long time. The $68 Million social club and its patrons isnt going to get MSU the players it needs. NIL and recruiting is where it is at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked View Post
    You guys are really overvaluing ?player development?. In regards to baseball the development is done during the summers and in the minors. There isnt that much practice time in college to develop players. They either have it or they don?t. This past two years are some of the least talented MSU teams in a long time. The $68 Million social club and its patrons isnt going to get MSU the players it needs. NIL and recruiting is where it is at.
    BINGO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    Lemonis's last four years are better than any four year period he had at Georgia.
    You talking per year or aggregate:

    Over the last 4 years, Georgia is 60-60 in the SEC.
    Georgia has made Hoover all 4 of those years.

    State is 58-62 in SEC and made Hoover in the first 2 and made hasty exits, but still went to Omaha both years.

    However, over 10 years, Striklin has depended on entirely his own recruits or transfers in 7 of them, with some success and some average to mediocre seasons. Did UGA keep him too long? Probably not since they tied for 2nd SEC East and he got them to a regional in 2022.

    So really. Lemonis pretty much had his own team this year and mostly his own team last year, not only his 2.worst years, but all next to last and last in the SEC regular season which is now the ONLY way to get to a Regional through Hoover qualifying.

    Lemonis 2 best seasons, which were great, were with someone else?s recruits. His worst 2 are with a smattering of leftovers and his own recruits.

    Striklin?s best seasons were with his own recruits and his last and worst season was with his own recruits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainObvious View Post
    You talking per year or aggregate:

    Over the last 4 years, Georgia is 60-60 in the SEC.
    Georgia has made Hoover all 4 of those years.

    State is 58-62 in SEC and made Hoover in the first 2 and made hasty exits, but still went to Omaha both years.

    However, over 10 years, Striklin has depended on entirely his own recruits or transfers in 7 of them, with some success and some average to mediocre seasons. Did UGA keep him too long? Probably not since they tied for 2nd SEC East and he got them to a regional in 2022.

    So really. Lemonis pretty much had his own team this year and mostly his own team last year, not only his 2.worst years, but all next to last and last in the SEC regular season which is now the ONLY way to get to a Regional through Hoover qualifying.

    Lemonis 2 best seasons, which were great, were with someone else?s recruits. His worst 2 are with a smattering of leftovers and his own recruits.

    Striklin?s best seasons were with his own recruits and his last and worst season was with his own recruits.
    He likes Lemonis and wants him to stay so he has been spewing BS stats for 3 weeks trying to justify it. The fact is the guy is a great manager of talent when he is given it and is an average recruiter and a below average talent evaluator

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    Lemonis's last four years are better than any four year period he had at Georgia.
    Tote that water, boy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve View Post
    But he never won less than 10 conference games. We have won 9 in back to back seasons. Look, it is ok to just admit you like Lemonis and you did not want him to get fired. But there are no stats that make him look good. He won on the talent of others and since his guys have been here we have sucked. It will be the same thing next year and we will be looking for a new coach in May 2024. Is what it is.
    Give Lemonis 10 seasons and then compare. I think we both know who will look better at the end of the day in that scenario.

    I don't care that much about Lemonis personally. But I do feel like I am fair to all coaches. The main reason I didn't want him fired was because that ultimately wasn't the best thing for MSU given the circumstances. And that's whether he "figures it out" or not. You know that too.

    If he hires the pitching coach he is rumored to be hiring and that doesn't turn into a Schlossnagle situation and he continues to have success in the portal there is a very good chance he turns this around. We'll see how it turns out. Again- doesn't matter becaue we made the best decision for MSU no matter how it turns out and that's all I really care about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked View Post
    You guys are really overvaluing ?player development?. In regards to baseball the development is done during the summers and in the minors. There isnt that much practice time in college to develop players. They either have it or they don?t. This past two years are some of the least talented MSU teams in a long time. The $68 Million social club and its patrons isnt going to get MSU the players it needs. NIL and recruiting is where it is at.
    Then we should have been sending more of our pitchers out to play summer baseball rather than work out with trainers. Based on the summer ball rosters it looks like that is changing.

    Foxhall was bad beyond development. How he managed the staff was atrocious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    Give Lemonis 10 seasons and then compare. I think we both know who will look better at the end of the day in that scenario.
    Of course. The national title is going to outweigh anything. And Lemonis would only need to get to 1 more NCAA Tournament to match Stricklin's 3. However, I'm not convinced that 5 more years of Lemonis would have a better SEC winning percentage than Stricklin. He might.

    Either way, it's clear that our standards aren't as high as the what an elite program's standards should be. "If we give him 10 years, Lemonis will have a better resume than a guy who got fired from Georgia!" OK, so what? That will be true for virtually any coach we would plausibly hire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quaoarsking View Post
    Of course. The national title is going to outweigh anything. And Lemonis would only need to get to 1 more NCAA Tournament to match Stricklin's 3. However, I'm not convinced that 5 more years of Lemonis would have a better SEC winning percentage than Stricklin. He might.

    Either way, it's clear that our standards aren't as high as the what an elite program's standards should be. "If we give him 10 years, Lemonis will have a better resume than a guy who got fired from Georgia!" OK, so what? That will be true for virtually any coach we would plausibly hire.
    Standards? If Lemonis has another season like this one he will be gone. Whereas at Georgia he would have ten years.

    People are confusing our current situation with our program standards for some reason. They're two separate things.

    Our standards haven't changed. We're not going to deep six our baseball program so we can do this again in three years because we didn't handle Lemonis properly.

    Bitch all y'all want but Selmon and MSU is handling this the right way whether you realize it or choose to realize it or not.

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    Todd, you're just making all these sweeping assertions without backup. "Do this again in three years" ... what? That comes from nowhere. There is no evidence that whatever coach we hired next (Haire or whoever) would be bad and get fired in 3 years. Any reasonably competent coach (of which there are dozens, probably more) can have us making Regionals most years, given our fanbase and resources. The odds that we would hire one who can are very low.

    Now, "just making Regionals" shouldn't be good enough at MSU, but neither should "not making Regionals or even Hoover," yet here were are.

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    Also, we don't know what would happen at Georgia because Stricklin never had a season as bad as Lemonis's last 2. Stricklin's predecessor David Perno was up and down over the years, but Georgia never gave him the chance to have 2 straight awful years, much less 3:



    If 2012-13 was a bad enough 2-year stretch for Georgia to can Perno, despite his 3 Omaha appearances and a runner up, 2022-23 should be bad enough for a program of our higher stature and fan interest to can Lemonis, despite the good things he's good in his career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainObvious View Post
    You talking per year or aggregate:

    Over the last 4 years, Georgia is 60-60 in the SEC.
    Georgia has made Hoover all 4 of those years.

    State is 58-62 in SEC and made Hoover in the first 2 and made hasty exits, but still went to Omaha both years.

    However, over 10 years, Striklin has depended on entirely his own recruits or transfers in 7 of them, with some success and some average to mediocre seasons. Did UGA keep him too long? Probably not since they tied for 2nd SEC East and he got them to a regional in 2022.

    So really. Lemonis pretty much had his own team this year and mostly his own team last year, not only his 2.worst years, but all next to last and last in the SEC regular season which is now the ONLY way to get to a Regional through Hoover qualifying.

    Lemonis 2 best seasons, which were great, were with someone else?s recruits. His worst 2 are with a smattering of leftovers and his own recruits.

    Striklin?s best seasons were with his own recruits and his last and worst season was with his own recruits.
    Tough

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    Standards? If Lemonis has another season like this one he will be gone. Whereas at Georgia he would have ten years.

    People are confusing our current situation with our program standards for some reason. They're two separate things.

    Our standards haven't changed. We're not going to deep six our baseball program so we can do this again in three years because we didn't handle Lemonis properly.

    Bitch all y'all want but Selmon and MSU is handling this the right way whether you realize it or choose to realize it or not.
    Standards absolutely have changed. The culture has changed. When Lemonis and mostly his guys took over it tanked. It was a perfect storm of guys that never had to be the man here and a head coach that never had to be tough

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    Add Mizzou to the coaching search list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by State82 View Post
    Add Mizzou to the coaching search list.
    Alabama, Georgia, and Missouri will all hire good coaches while we choose to have another shit year with Lemonis. We'll be kicking ourselves for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quaoarsking View Post
    Alabama, Georgia, and Missouri will all hire good coaches while we choose to have another shit year with Lemonis. We'll be kicking ourselves for years.
    There will always be a new flavor of the month. Even UGA's coach was a hot shot at one point.

    But what we are seeing is that folks are not messing around with bad baseball situations.

    Next years top guys? Masilkowski- Oregon and Vaughn - Maryland. We can watch regionals and see for sure. See which pitching staffs that throw strikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quaoarsking View Post
    Alabama, Georgia, and Missouri will all hire good coaches while we choose to have another shit year with Lemonis. We'll be kicking ourselves for years.
    If this is true, Selmon will lose a lot of fan support early on. I really hope he was smart enough to over pay to get a pitching coach to see what we can do.
    I just think Lemonis should have seen through Fox last year. The fact that he didn't and waited so late to firehim is why I've lost faith in Lemonis. I hope it gets fixed and we roll again but I have my doubts. We may be digging a deeper hole with nil and free transfer rule we may be okay next year but yall all talk how you recruit years ahead in baseball. We'll see but next year may be the one year we have to unload much of our nil money to save the baseball program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer View Post
    Next years top guys? Masilkowski- Oregon and Vaughn - Maryland. We can watch regionals and see for sure. See which pitching staffs that throw strikes.
    Who's to say those coaches won't be hired away this year though? Both of them have impressive resumes through 2023.

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