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    Quote Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us View Post
    A coach that wants to get paid

    A coach that believes they're a good enough PC to save Lemonis

    A coach that wants to get into the SEC

    Could we hire a proven coach from a big school? No. Could we hire the PC from a G5? Yes. Do I know what PCs in the G5 are good? No. But their are ELITE PCs none of us know the name of who'd love to get a 4x pay bump and a shot in the SEC. I don't trust Lemonis to find them, but I'm not goi g to say we CAN'T make a good hire just because of Lemonis being on a hot seat
    I just dont' get all the blame on the pitching coach. Proper coaching was only a small part of the problem, IMO. The bigger issue is talent, or lack thereof. I don't think Leon Mazzone or Dave Duncan could've done much with our staff. So, in the end it's talent and that's on fat boy slim.
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    State May keep Lemonis another year, but not even F. Lee Bailey will keep him from walking the plank next year. If State extends him another year, heads should roll. He should work under no contract extension with strict goals to achieve. No BS like squeaking into Hoover as a 9-12 seed. No Tuesday game in Hoover next year. Minimum Top 8 SEC seed. And it gets harder next year with Okra and Tahas coming in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjoelner34 View Post
    My question is what pitching coach that could do that is going to sign on with the sword of Damocles hanging over his head if Lemonis is back?
    Lemon's college roommate is a G5 PC. He'll find one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked View Post
    Gets moved to a position player SS or 2nd in the Minors
    Sell. He's gonna be a rhp only

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    and throw consistent for more than 3 innings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pancho View Post
    and throw consistent for more than 3 innings?
    He's an 18 year old Freshman. Are you seriously judging where he will be 2 years from now in his development?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked View Post
    Gets moved to a position player SS or 2nd in the Minors
    Sell

    LSU will rehab his pitching

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    He's an 18 year old Freshman. Are you seriously judging where he will be 2 years from now in his development?
    yes

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    Obviously- the player is a keeper.

    But if someone gives him 50K in NIL money. Then bye.

    He seems 75% likely to suck, 20% likely to be ok, and 5% likely to be an All American.

    We have seen All Americans before, they don't get rocked like this dude. Ethan Small as a freshman is the eternal hope for the bad freshman. We even had Cerantola fans claim he was Ethan Small 2.0.

    Texas AM or LSU can buy him this summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer View Post
    Obviously- the player is a keeper.

    But if someone gives him 50K in NIL money. Then bye.

    He seems 75% likely to suck, 20% likely to be ok, and 5% likely to be an All American.

    We have seen All Americans before, they don't get rocked like this dude. Ethan Small as a freshman is the eternal hope for the bad freshman. We even had Cerantola fans claim he was Ethan Small 2.0.

    Texas AM or LSU can buy him this summer.
    Ok. So say we let the Fr who throws 97 right handed and 95 left handed and has never had real pitching walk because he's not CURRENTLY a stud.

    Who so you replace him with? You know of a 97mph stud we can replace him with? Personally I'd rather use the new stud to replace one of our non-SEC arms

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    Stick to grilling and making cheese dip for games. Loo has some great tools on the mound. He's just learning how to pitch
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandjunky View Post
    Sell

    LSU will rehab his pitching
    FIFY. "LSU will offer to rehab his pitching". Based on results in BR they will TJ both his arms.

    If Lemonis can get the USM PC by paying him a USM Head Coach salary, MSU is the best place in the SEC for any pitcher.

    Lemons should transfer part of his salary for the purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    Stick to grilling and making cheese dip for games. Loo has some great tools on the mound. He's just learning how to pitch
    ^^^^^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer View Post
    FIFY. "LSU will offer to rehab his pitching". Based on results in BR they will TJ both his arms.

    If Lemonis can get the USM PC by paying him a USM Head Coach salary, MSU is the best place in the SEC for any pitcher.

    Lemons should transfer part of his salary for the purpose.
    He is most likely taking over for Berry at USM at the end of the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    Stick to grilling and making cheese dip for games. Loo has some great tools on the mound. He's just learning how to pitch
    Your comment is exactly the issue. A MLB prospect at 18 can be raw and inconsistent, they won't need him in the Big Leagues until the player is 22 or 23. Minor league stats barely matter for top picks, it's all development.

    For College baseball, the team needs to win now. You want Alex Lange or Paul Maholm, good from Freshman to Junior. If the development gap is too huge, then you might exceed the 2 year limit before the next draft. Dakota Hudson was good but took two years, he wanted to transfer. Graham Ascraft was good potentially and did transfer. It was smart and good to have JC recruited, what is happening is part of nature for college baseball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer View Post
    Your comment is exactly the issue. A MLB prospect at 18 can be raw and inconsistent, they won't need him in the Big Leagues until the player is 22 or 23. Minor league stats barely matter for top picks, it's all development.

    For College baseball, the team needs to win now. You want Alex Lange or Paul Maholm, good from Freshman to Junior. If the development gap is too huge, then you might exceed the 2 year limit before the next draft. Dakota Hudson was good but took two years, he wanted to transfer. Graham Ascraft was good potentially and did transfer. It was smart and good to have JC recruited, what is happening is part of nature for college baseball.
    "Just recruit guys that are studs for 3 years"

    Yeah that's easier said than done. Everyone wants that. But when the last roster spot is either A) a high potential project, or B) A guy with zero SEC potential (Yntema) then why not take the loto number?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us View Post
    "Just recruit guys that are studs for 3 years"

    Yeah that's easier said than done. Everyone wants that. But when the last roster spot is either A) a high potential project, or B) A guy with zero SEC potential (Yntema) then why not take the loto number?
    We are talking the Optionality post recruitment. Like you said the Alex Lange is rare. But once you see it up close, you need to determine what you can do with the project.

    Coaches now have close up look at work ethic, determination, and coachabiity. A new decision point is reached.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer View Post
    We are talking the Optionality post recruitment. Like you said the Alex Lange is rare. But once you see it up close, you need to determine what you can do with the project.

    Coaches now have close up look at work ethic, determination, and coachabiity. A new decision point is reached.
    And Loo has a great arm, fights on the mound, seems to support his teammates, and hasn't had any decent coaching yet.

    You can't simultaneously say "other SEC programs will offer him decent NIL money" and "we should t care if he leaves". Unless you're saying we're so loaded at pitching that we can afford to dump our projects, but that's obviously not the case.

    I mean if we're down to our last NIL dollar and are deciding between Loo or a surefire stud from the portal yeah, let's get the stud, but I doubt that'll happen. I mean we have NIL to Hancock and Stinnett, surely Loo will make the list of guys to keep

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    can Loo receive any NIL money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer View Post
    We are talking the Optionality post recruitment. Like you said the Alex Lange is rare. But once you see it up close, you need to determine what you can do with the project.

    Coaches now have close up look at work ethic, determination, and coachabiity. A new decision point is reached.
    Our problem has been getting too many guys like that. Holcombe's big country ass is another. Power arm with potential. Loftin walked too many this year but didnt give up many hits. These guys have been having to throw too many innings in Y1 of SEC ball. And Loftin didnt even finish the season. But those 3 should have good Soph seasons if healthy and coached.
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