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    Quote Originally Posted by civildawg View Post
    NIL went from athletes wanting to be able to make money for autographs, etc. to middle class fans being expected to pay for players. Screw that
    Correct - if they are gonna be pause, it should be off the money we already spend to support them (tickets, concessions, etc)

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    Quote Originally Posted by civildawg View Post
    NIL went from athletes wanting to be able to make money for autographs, etc. to middle class fans being expected to pay for players. Screw that
    This is the problem I think. When I pay for my kid to attend college, I have expectations. You will attend class, you will make acceptable grades, you will behave a certain way. I?m not going to pay for you to go to college if you are going to be a screw up and waste my money by skipping class and flunking out. If I?m paying I expect something in return.

    When I pay NIL I have expectations. But I give and a player transfers to my rival. But I give and a player gets arrested. I have a problem with that. Because I?m not allowed to sit down with the player and say ?dammit Bookie Watson, I spent my money to help you with college and you are up here acting like a dumbass getting arrested.?

    Paying for tickets is me purchasing some entertainment, similar to going to the movies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by civildawg View Post
    NIL went from athletes wanting to be able to make money for autographs, etc. to middle class fans being expected to pay for players. Screw that
    Exactly. 100% Exactly. Screw that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton View Post
    Think a lot of us already are in this space.
    College sports have become a joke. I used to watch any game...I might might the argument I'm just as ready for the Saints as I am college football.

    Interest level among my family and friends for donating to the NIL is non existent...

    I don't think some of our fanbase understand how much smaller we are than the schools we are competing against...
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton View Post
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    Anecdotally seems this is happening already and likely will escalate if this new model is not arrested and changed.
    I've said all along that the goal of the people that basically forced the NCAA into allowing NIL and the portal is to end bigtime college athletics. I have seen nothing to change my mind yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg View Post
    I've said all along that the goal of the people that basically forced the NCAA into allowing NIL and the portal is to end bigtime college athletics. I have seen nothing to change my mind yet.
    The current system is a death sentence to a massive amount of college programs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg View Post
    You do know that Bulldog Club money is a big part of the athletic budget right? It can't be turned into an either or thing or the athletic program will suffer.
    Yes, Donor Contributions are roughly $22m of our $110 million athletics revenue. So it is still an important part of our revenue stream. But, when the new ESPN/ABC contract kicks in next year it won't be. The increased share of TV revenue will be at least $18m. Because we can replace that revenue, t makes sense to re-direct as much of those efforts into NIL as possible. Imagine MSU athletics having a $18-22m a year war chest to spend on players. Hell, half that would put us in good shape.

    I don't like it. It thinks NIL as it has turned out is rotten to the core. But, its sink or swim time. And '24 is the time we have to evolve or we might as well go play in the Fun Belt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg View Post
    Yes, Donor Contributions are roughly $22m of our $110 million athletics revenue. So it is still an important part of our revenue stream. But, when the new ESPN/ABC contract kicks in next year it won't be. The increased share of TV revenue will be at least $18m. Because we can replace that revenue, t makes sense to re-direct as much of those efforts into NIL as possible. Imagine MSU athletics having a $18-22m a year war chest to spend on players. Hell, half that would put us in good shape.

    I don't like it. It thinks NIL as it has turned out is rotten to the core. But, its sink or swim time. And '24 is the time we have to evolve or we might as well go play in the Fun Belt.
    The problem is, donors don't donate out of "the kindness of their heart." They donate for tax purposes. Good luck convincing them to give away that money for free.

    Is the "donation" that you're required to make when purchasing season tickets being factored into that 22 million?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpaceWranglerDawg View Post
    The problem is, donors don't donate out of "the kindness of their heart." They donate for tax purposes. Good luck convincing them to give away that money for free.

    Is the "donation" that you're required to make when purchasing season tickets being factored into that 22 million?
    Bulldog Club Donations are no longer tax deductible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpaceWranglerDawg View Post
    The problem is, donors don't donate out of "the kindness of their heart." They donate for tax purposes. Good luck convincing them to give away that money for free.

    Is the "donation" that you're required to make when purchasing season tickets being factored into that 22 million?
    Donations related to tickets are no longer deductible - I believe facilities related donations are. Point is, we have fan base that is historically resistant to paying players. The Athletic Dept and the University are going to have to lead us into doing something different or face losing more money by having a top to bottom shit sports program again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpaceWranglerDawg View Post
    The current system is a death sentence to a massive amount of college programs.
    Welp by the looks of this thread, I guess we're destined to be one of them without even trying...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeardoMSU View Post
    Welp by the looks of this thread, I guess we're destined to be one of them without even trying...
    I hope we're proven wrong, but the forecast doesn't look great.

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