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    Additional College Football Realignment

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A32U5REBqeY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf7B_ewj3u8

    There has been some additional action with potential realignment. Oregon and Washington are being vetted for the BIG10. With other PAC12 members looking east to the BIG12, the PAC12 existence is in question. Also, Clemson and FSU are game planning to get out of the ACC. Seven universities are gathering to liquidate the ACC to nullify the contract that imprisons them monetarily. When Clemson and FSU get into the SEC, expect the SEC to pick others to help establish the SEC super conference. I believe that Miami and North Carolina will be added teams. Maybe TCU could add value to the SEC?

    I believe that the SEC is following what is going on out west. The media rights problem cannot get any worse and I expect Oregon, Washington, and Cal to get absorbed into the BIG 10.

    If a chain reaction out west expedites three additional high value markets into the BIG 10, I expect the SEC thru its overlord Disney/ESPN to make monetary decisions in New York and Bristol Connecticut. They could very well expect the SEC to expand in a business manner like the BIG10 did?

    If these conferences are pieced together, the networks will demand a return on investment with many high-profile games. Thus, you will have the college football version of "The Hunger Games" known as the Power2? The P2 will probably be two 20 team conferences

    I understand that I have posted this content last year. The latest developments could justify a relook at the chart below after watching the 2 YouTubes attached to this content.

    SEC Super Conference

    SEC East

    South Carolina
    Clemson
    Georgia
    Miami
    Florida

    SEC North

    Tennessee
    Kentucky
    Vanderbilt * (Subject to Relegation)
    Missouri
    North Carolina

    SEC South

    Mississippi St
    Ole Miss
    FSU
    Alabama
    Auburn

    SEC West

    LSU
    Arkansas
    Texas
    Texas A&M
    TCU

    BIG 10 Super Conference

    BIG 10 East

    Maryland
    Penn St
    Noter Dame
    Rutgers * (Subject to Relegation)
    Michigan St

    BIG 10 North

    Minnesota
    Wisconsin
    NWestern
    Michigan
    Ohio St

    Big 10 South

    Nebraska
    Iowa
    Illinois
    Perdue
    Indiana

    Big 10 West

    USC
    UCLA
    Oregon
    Washington
    California

    Super Conference Scheduling Rules

    Games 9-12 will be played against division opponents
    Games 4-8 will be played against a rotating division every 3 yrs
    Game 3 will be a rival game or second rival if in 3 yrs rotation
    Game 2 will be a conference close geographical game
    Game 1 will be a non-conference game SEC vs BIG 10

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    Simply each 20 team conference will have division winners eliminate each other and the SEC plays the BIG 10 for championship.
    Last edited by coachnorm; 05-16-2023 at 10:13 PM.

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    /This is getting ridicilous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coachnorm View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A32U5REBqeY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf7B_ewj3u8

    There has been some additional action with potential realignment. Oregon and Washington are being vetted for the BIG10. With other PAC12 members looking east to the BIG12, the PAC12 existence is in question. Also, Clemson and FSU are game planning to get out of the ACC. Seven universities are gathering to liquidate the ACC to nullify the contract that imprisons them monetarily. When Clemson and FSU get into the SEC, expect the SEC to pick others to help establish the SEC super conference. I believe that Miami and North Carolina will be added teams. Maybe TCU could add value to the SEC?

    I believe that the SEC is following what is going on out west. The media rights problem cannot get any worse and I expect Oregon, Washington, and Cal to get absorbed into the BIG 10.

    If a chain reaction out west expedites three additional high value markets into the BIG 10, I expect the SEC thru its overlord Disney/ESPN to make monetary decisions in New York and Bristol Connecticut. They could very well expect the SEC to expand in a business manner like the BIG10 did?

    If these conferences are pieced together, the networks will demand a return on investment with many high-profile games. Thus, you will have the college football version of "The Hunger Games" known as the Power2? The P2 will probably be two 20 team conferences

    I understand that I have posted this content last year. The latest developments could justify a relook at the chart below after watching the 2 YouTubes attached to this content.

    SEC Super Conference

    SEC East

    South Carolina
    Clemson
    Georgia
    Miami
    Florida

    SEC North

    Tennessee
    Kentucky
    Vanderbilt * (Subject to Relegation)
    Missouri
    North Carolina

    SEC South

    Mississippi St
    Ole Miss
    FSU
    Alabama
    Auburn

    SEC West

    LSU
    Arkansas
    Texas
    Texas A&M
    TCU

    BIG 10 Super Conference

    BIG 10 East

    Maryland
    Penn St
    Noter Dame
    Rutgers * (Subject to Relegation)
    Michigan St

    BIG 10 North

    Minnesota
    Wisconsin
    NWestern
    Michigan
    Ohio St

    Big 10 South

    Nebraska
    Iowa
    Illinois
    Perdue
    Indiana

    Big 10 West

    USC
    UCLA
    Oregon
    Washington
    California

    Super Conference Scheduling Rules

    Games 9-12 will be played against division opponents
    Games 4-8 will be played against a rotating division every 3 yrs
    Game 3 will be a rival game or second rival if in 3 yrs rotation
    Game 2 will be a conference close geographical game
    Game 1 will be a non-conference game SEC vs BIG 10

    Play OFF Rules

    Simply each 20 team conference will have division winners eliminate each other and the SEC plays the BIG 10 for championship.
    I just don't think Clemson is on the SEC's list. Clemson is not a bigger revenue generator than Auburn or UTenn, and both of those are now below the median (UTex, UGA, LSU, Bama, A&M, and Oklahoma are all bigger revenue generators, so adding them without dropping teams pushes the per team revenue share in the wrong direction). If the Big 10 is going the super conference route with ~20 teams, then the SEC may do so in the hopes that the two super conferences will become the major college football market and become more profitable, but still not sure Clemson is high on the SEC's list rather than the Big 10's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnson85 View Post
    I just don't think Clemson is on the SEC's list. Clemson is not a bigger revenue generator than Auburn or UTenn, and both of those are now below the median (UTex, UGA, LSU, Bama, A&M, and Oklahoma are all bigger revenue generators, so adding them without dropping teams pushes the per team revenue share in the wrong direction). If the Big 10 is going the super conference route with ~20 teams, then the SEC may do so in the hopes that the two super conferences will become the major college football market and become more profitable, but still not sure Clemson is high on the SEC's list rather than the Big 10's.
    When you indicate revenue generator are you talking on campus revenue or television viewership revenue for Disney/ESPN? Also, who do you think will be the four additions to the SEC?

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    I think it takes 2/3s of the members to terminate a school form the SEC. Hopefully the conference doesn't admit so many members that it dilutes the power of smaller programs (as related to football). Hopefully State, OM, Vandy, UK, USCe, Missouri and ARK has some type of informal coalition to protect each other. Having Bryne, Strick and Cohen as ADs at larger programs, certainly helps. He need to limit the hate we throw at these ADs. Having an AD with ties with OU helps too.

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    Did I miss Oklahoma in there somewhere?

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    Serious question:

    Would we even WANT to be in this 2 super conference system? To be beaten by all these nlue bloods, have loosing records every year, be seen as a bad program that got dragged into the super conference?

    Or would we be better off with the teams "left behind"? I imagine the GTs, KStates, etc of the word will want NIL regulated and actual rules enforced by the NCAA. We'd be able to compete with anyone not in the big 2 conferences, have a shot at national relevance, just at a lower tier.

    I think I'd rather be in the super conference but it's worth discussing. I don't just want us to make money and have high recruiting rankings, I want to win games as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coachnorm View Post
    When you indicate revenue generator are you talking on campus revenue or television viewership revenue for Disney/ESPN? Also, who do you think will be the four additions to the SEC?
    I'm talking revenue for TV and/or streaming packages. I don't think the conferences care about anything else because I think schools keep their revenue from ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, etc.

    So while Clemson is a big name now and have some bandwagon fans as a result and drive interest from college football fans that aren't necessarily clemson fans, I'm not sure how valuable that is. The SEC already has an in in the South Carolina Market, which is a decent, not huge market. If Clemson has some 8-4 years, I don't think they will retain much interest for very long.

    For SEC targets, assuming they can just cherry pick and not have to worry about the Big10 taking any first, I think the first two choices would be UNC and Virginia or Va Tech. Both of those get you a presence in decent sized and growing states that are reasonably affluent. After that, the pickings get less desirable. FSU would probably be next. While it's not as good as it otherwise would be because it's market overlaps some with UF (and also with Auburn and UGA to an extent), Florida is a big state that is still growing pretty rapidly and FSU is still I think a national brand that maintains some cachet even though they haven't had as much success recently. I think there area number of different options after that that aren't terrible and aren't great. Miami is one. 40k students, so still generating a good number of alumni. Third university in Florida isn't ideal, but again, huge state and it gets a presence in South Florida. Only concern would be how committed their fans will be. It's possible USF would be as good of an add long term. I think they are more like 55k students? Not sure how much they care about football and whether they would catch up to Miami on any timescale that would matter for a current realignment. I'd put Miami above getting a third school in Texas or a second school in NOrth Carolina or Virginia, but not real confident in that opinion. An unorthodox approach would be to try to get somebody like Cincinnati. Not really an impressive add right now, but they care about sports. Would being in the SEC make them relevant and create SEC fans in Ohio? I would have thought this wouldn't be a crazy idea except being in the SEC doesn't seem to have done much for Missouri except expose them. I guess somebody has some data about how much revenue adding MIssouri actually created for ESPN.

    ETA: I think Big 10 will want the same schools, except that they'd probably prefer FSU over the Virginia schools except for Geography, which obviously doesn't mean a ton anymore. Would make much more sense for the Big10 to add a school from Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Florida. I'm not sure the SEC has four compelling schools to add. If the Big 10 added UVA, NC St., CLemson, and FSU and the SEC added Va Tech, and UNC, they'd both be at 18 schools. That would let them do 10 game conference schedules. 8 division games, 2 cross overs, an FCS and OOC. Then each year the two best teams would likely be the ocnference champs from each league, and there'd be a Miami, TCU, OK St., USC, Washington, Texas Tech, West Va., UCF, type school that would be a souped up version of the best G5 team complaining that they haven't had a chance to prove they belong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us View Post
    Serious question:

    Would we even WANT to be in this 2 super conference system? To be beaten by all these nlue bloods, have loosing records every year, be seen as a bad program that got dragged into the super conference?

    Or would we be better off with the teams "left behind"? I imagine the GTs, KStates, etc of the word will want NIL regulated and actual rules enforced by the NCAA. We'd be able to compete with anyone not in the big 2 conferences, have a shot at national relevance, just at a lower tier.

    I think I'd rather be in the super conference but it's worth discussing. I don't just want us to make money and have high recruiting rankings, I want to win games as well.
    As long a revenue sharing stays like it is now, staying in the super conference will be a huge revenue generator for the school. Any school left out would essentially become Southern Miss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by viverlibre View Post
    As long a revenue sharing stays like it is now, staying in the super conference will be a huge revenue generator for the school. Any school left out would essentially become Souther Miss.
    Revenue to what end though? Getting beaten up by Bama?

    You're a parent. Would you rather: A) your songrows up to be married, have a couple kids, be helpful in their communities, and work a middle class job till they're 67, OR B) Get a high paying job as a Lawyer, develop a coke addition, have every women leave them due to constant cheating, and they're an asshole to everyone they meet?

    Everyone picks A), because money is irrelevant if the rest of your life is in shambles. Well for football I'd content the point of money is to win, and if we're still playing schools that'll quadruple our NIL, we aren't going to do much of that.

    Just food for thought. Ultimately I agree not being in the Super Conference would spell a USM future.

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    At this point it's dick measuring contest to see who can out do the other. Gotten outta hand and gonna get worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us View Post
    Revenue to what end though? Getting beaten up by Bama?

    You're a parent. Would you rather: A) your songrows up to be married, have a couple kids, be helpful in their communities, and work a middle class job till they're 67, OR B) Get a high paying job as a Lawyer, develop a coke addition, have every women leave them due to constant cheating, and they're an asshole to everyone they meet?

    Everyone picks A), because money is irrelevant if the rest of your life is in shambles. Well for football I'd content the point of money is to win, and if we're still playing schools that'll quadruple our NIL, we aren't going to do much of that.

    Just food for thought. Ultimately I agree not being in the Super Conference would spell a USM future.
    I'll take money and remain in the SEC even it it means topping out at being 8-4/7-5/6-6 for the rest of my life.

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