Lem will be back

[Todd4State]

Lem improved his odds but nothing is set in stone yet. We'll see what next week holds. Lem has to prove he can hire a great pitching coach as well. That's not a given unless Chris Young is waiting. He's going to miss the SEC tournament two straight years barring a miracle.
He had better figure out that his loyalties to players do not supersede his 17ing job to win games. He's not a great coach. I think the biggest question is whether simply making a regional is going to become our acceptable level of success. That's all Lem is going to do with his recruits IMO. The AD is wanting to pass the Buck. Disappointed in that. Money isn't a problem at all. We pay a top 5 salary. We get bottom of the SEC results.

We would have at least 8 more wins right now with a below average pitching coach.

Lemonis is a hitting guy and he has done better than Foxhall did as far as managing the staff.

[TNDawg35]

We would have at least 8 more wins right now with a below average pitching coach.

Lemonis is a hitting guy and he has done better than Foxhall did as far as managing the staff.

I have to agree with this. He yanked Holcomb Sat and then Hunt Sun quickly instead of letting them walk to bases loaded. I would be fine with him staying. Throw the money at a pitching coach and then go out and raid the portal for as many pitchers as we can. We have a really good core coming back next year, just need a 3B, a CF, RF, and a back up catcher. I’m not up to date on the recruiting class but I know we have a stud SS committed if he makes it through the draft. Hopefully we have some stud pitchers coming also. I know I did see the juco kid who was pitcher of year in the cape. (Sidearm kid who was plum nasty)

[CaptainObvious]

If Missouri and or Georgia win 1 game next weekend, State is eliminated from SEC tourney even if State sweeps A & M. No way he should be back next year. Lemonis is the Author, Editor, and Publisher of the Horror Story. I expect significant Portal entries by key players at end of season whether he is back or not. But we need new blood at the top.

[Quaoarsking]

Just being happy with Hoover is a ridiculously low standard for a program of our caliber, and Lemonis is about to fail at even that for the second consecutive year. It's just mind-boggling how some people could be OK with letting him do this for a 3rd year.

Yeah, the series win at LSU is awesome, but we're still not anywhere close to being a fringe bubble candidate for a Regional. Even if we sweep next week and finish 11-19 we're not going to get an at large bid no matter what. Most solid coaches would have taken this team to a Regional, but Lemonis wasn't able to.

[Todd4State]

Just being happy with Hoover is a ridiculously low standard for a program of our caliber, and Lemonis is about to fail at even that for the second consecutive year. It's just mind-boggling how some people could be OK with letting him do this for a 3rd year.

Yeah, the series win at LSU is awesome, but we're still not anywhere close to being a fringe bubble candidate for a Regional. Even if we sweep next week and finish 11-19 we're not going to get an at large bid no matter what. Most solid coaches would have taken this team to a Regional, but Lemonis wasn't able to.

No one is just OK with going to Hoover.

To me this is like when Dan went 6-7 with an Egg Bowl win and Peter Sirmon as our DC. We all knew that Dan had some success with us and we all knew that Sirmon was obviously THE problem. We all knew that Dan could turn it around with a better DC- which he did in 2017.

I feel pretty confident that Lemonis will turn it around with a new PC.

If I'm wrong I'm wrong but this team has talent to where it can be turned around pretty quickly I think.

[KOdawg1]

Just being happy with Hoover is a ridiculously low standard for a program of our caliber, and Lemonis is about to fail at even that for the second consecutive year. It's just mind-boggling how some people could be OK with letting him do this for a 3rd year.

Yeah, the series win at LSU is awesome, but we're still not anywhere close to being a fringe bubble candidate for a Regional. Even if we sweep next week and finish 11-19 we're not going to get an at large bid no matter what. Most solid coaches would have taken this team to a Regional, but Lemonis wasn't able to.

No one is okay with just making Hoover

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

No one is just OK with going to Hoover.

To me this is like when Dan went 6-7 with an Egg Bowl win and Peter Sirmon as our DC. We all knew that Dan had some success with us and we all knew that Sirmon was obviously THE problem. We all knew that Dan could turn it around with a better DC- which he did in 2017.

I feel pretty confident that Lemonis will turn it around with a new PC.

If I'm wrong I'm wrong but this team has talent to where it can be turned around pretty quickly I think.

If our only problem was pitching? Sure.

But we have the worst defense in the league. Our offense is underperforming (10th in runs scored, 7th in OBP, 7th in SLG% vs our above league average recruiting and resources).

We also make some bad decisions regarding position personel (relying on Hackcock as a catcher)

So would a new Pitching coach make us better? Yes. Probably regional level better. But I have no faith Lemonis can get us to an actual high level of play which is our goal.

[was21]

He doesn't want to hire one? Or he doesn't want to fire one?

[basedog]

We would have at least 8 more wins right now with a below average pitching coach.

Lemonis is a hitting guy and he has done better than Foxhall did as far as managing the staff.

Playing the what if game doesn't matter, it is what it is because of Lemonis. Just saying.

[Quaoarsking]

No one is okay with just making Hoover

Actually a lot of people are, sadly.

[Quaoarsking]

No one is just OK with going to Hoover.

To me this is like when Dan went 6-7 with an Egg Bowl win and Peter Sirmon as our DC. We all knew that Dan had some success with us and we all knew that Sirmon was obviously THE problem. We all knew that Dan could turn it around with a better DC- which he did in 2017.

I feel pretty confident that Lemonis will turn it around with a new PC.

If I'm wrong I'm wrong but this team has talent to where it can be turned around pretty quickly I think.

These last 2 seasons are the equivalent of going 3-9 or worse in football, not 6-7. And doing it in a world where we are one of only 4 schools in the SEC who cares.

[basedog]

Actually a lot of people are, sadly.

Amazing but to each their own.

[maroonmania]

So would a new Pitching coach make us better? Yes. Probably regional level better. But I have no faith Lemonis can get us to an actual high level of play which is our goal.

We need a BIG upgrade at pitching coach not just a new one. Lemonis is the guy that hired and retained Lemonis who we all believe was terrible. Does Lemonis know a good pitching coach when he sees one? That's very much TBD at this point.

[Cooterpoot]

We would have at least 8 more wins right now with a below average pitching coach.

Lemonis is a hitting guy and he has done better than Foxhall did as far as managing the staff.

We don't have the pitchers. Lemonis signs off on recruiting. He's THE recruiter and makes the final decision. We don't have talent on the pitching side. And I'll have to accept Lemonis is coming back, which I can get, but I don't think he knows what the hell he's doing. I believe this is too big for him. We'll see. I just don't think he knows how to run a program like this. Too much a players coach and not willing to make tough decisions like firing a pitching coach until it's too late.
I'm not screaming fire the man like I was Foxy. But another poor year and he's done. Our hitting has sucked in SEC play by the way. We were 13th in hitting before yesterday. That's 17ing awful.

[ArrowDawg]

It makes a lot of sense to bring him back if you take everything into consideration with our situation.

Anything less than hosting a regional next year should result in his firing. After two years in a row like this, I'm done.

[PMDawg]

Anything less than hosting a regional next year should result in his firing. After two years in a row like this, I'm done.

I'm with Sandjunky. It's pointless to bring him back at this point. He enters the season on the hot seat. If he loses a midweek game, or a weekend series to a G5 team (or below average P5 team), people will be calling for his head. He almost has to come in and have a national seed type season to quiet the calls for his firing. It's a near impossible uphill climb for him next year, and the most likely of all results is that he gets fired anyway. It would have been ok to take a step back for a couple of seasons (make Hoover, get to a regional as a 2 or 3 seed), but this isn't a step back. He destroyed the program's progress over the last decade+ in 2 short seasons. We're near all time lows for the program just 2 years removed from a national championship. That's insane.

I understand what OP is saying, and they are probably right. They are definitely right in that my opinion doesn't matter. But this clown needs to go. It won't get better. Do we have a pretty good roster right now that could be greatly improved with better pitching? Yes, definitely. But guess what, this isn't the roster we'll have next year. I bet we get some transfers out that really hurt. Our recruiting class is probably about to see some changes for the worse if we keep our Lemon. This offseason is very important, no matter what we decide coaching wise.

[msudawg1200]

What type of decent pitching coach can he actually coax into coming here? I mean a good up and comer ain't coming into a lame duck situation.

[Coach34]

He makes a regional in 2024 and he will retain his job. We have been a 2 seed many times and gone on to make a Super

[Coach34]

What type of decent pitching coach can he actually coax into coming here? I mean a good up and comer ain't coming into a lame duck situation.

Well, the idea is that he's not a lame duck and next season we should be improved

[gtowndawg]

Hoping this means we might put more resources ($$$$) into football and basketball. Saving on a buyout I mean.