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He did great with someone else's recruits and now struggles with his own recruits. He is at the bottom of the SEC standings with a clear plan to in fact stay there. If this is what MSU baseball now desires to be, then keep him.
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
A guy I know who talks to the money guys:
“It’s going to cost $6MM to fire them. Good luck finding that”
So what's the price the following year...$4MM? I guess we're stuck with this crew until their contract runs out.
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that's a parting gift for winning a natty with cann and hendo's players. bye bye
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What was Joe Mo’s buyout?
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Originally Posted by
HoopsDawg
What's clear is that the MSU program is not foolproof. I started to think it was after Cohen-Cann-Henderson-Lemonis all took us Super Regionals.
A young man named Jake Mangum says hi. He was on all these teams. Shows what a special group of guys Mangum, Cole Gordon, TA, Rowdey, and MacNamee where.
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Originally Posted by
somebodyshotmypaw
This has been my thought all along. I never thought he would get fired. Firing the pitching coach gets you another year. Next year is the year that Lemonis will have his head on the line. We won a natty less than 24 months ago.
If he stays, hope Selmon can negotiate a much better buyout. It may be needed during or after the 2024 season.
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Originally Posted by
Goldendawg
If he stays, hope Selmon can negotiate a much better buyout. It may be needed during or after the 2024 season.
If it's not enough our championship program is two years bottom dwelling, now we're too poor to boot the people that unbelievably made that happen.
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Originally Posted by
Goldendawg
If he stays, hope Selmon can negotiate a much better buyout. It may be needed during or after the 2024 season.
Yes, let's hope so. If I was Lemonis, after putting this proud program at the very bottom of the conference for 2 straight years right after 3 straight trips to Omaha, I would be too embarrassed to expect a full buyout.
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Originally Posted by
maroonmania
Yes, let's hope so. If I was Lemonis, after putting this proud program at the very bottom of the conference for 2 straight years right after 3 straight trips to Omaha, I would be too embarrassed to expect a full buyout.
Hey, how 'bout don't sign contracts we can't afford to buy out?!!?
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Originally Posted by
maroonmania
Yes, let's hope so. If I was Lemonis, after putting this proud program at the very bottom of the conference for 2 straight years right after 3 straight trips to Omaha, I would be too embarrassed to expect a full buyout.
He'll deal with the embarrassment while the teller deposits the full buyout.
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Originally Posted by
maroonmania
Yes, let's hope so. If I was Lemonis, after putting this proud program at the very bottom of the conference for 2 straight years right after 3 straight trips to Omaha, I would be too embarrassed to expect a full buyout.
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Really, umm no. It will be a full or negotiated buyout but will damn sure not be a bargain.
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Originally Posted by
EdwardDrayton
He'll deal with the embarrassment while the teller deposits the full buyout.
These guaranteed contracts that have no tie at all to how you perform are for the birds.
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Originally Posted by
maroonmania
Yes, let's hope so. If I was Lemonis, after putting this proud program at the very bottom of the conference for 2 straight years right after 3 straight trips to Omaha, I would be too embarrassed to expect a full buyout.
Nobody is going to accept less. We are very unlikely to pay $6MM in dead money in a Biden economy. Plus more to get a new staff.
Lemon has a Top 10 recruiting class and that will likely save him
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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Originally Posted by
maroonmania
These guaranteed contracts that have no tie at all to how you perform are for the birds.
2 Losing seasons should be a breezy of duty in any contract and if a coach isn't willing to be confident enough for that not to happen, than he ain't our guy.
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Guys I will just be completely honest with you. I do not know if there is a quick fix to this. We are as bad culturally as we have been since the beginning of Cohen. I am afraid we are almost going to have to completely purge this roster outside of 3 or 4 guys. This is beginning to look like a 2-3 year rebuild at the earliest. As much as I know it is going to sink us for the next 2 years I think we need to go ahead and pull the plug on this before it gets worse. Because while we are very near the bottom I do not think we’ve hit rock bottom yet.
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Originally Posted by
StarkVegasSteve
Guys I will just be completely honest with you. I do not know if there is a quick fix to this. We are as bad culturally as we have been since the beginning of Cohen. I am afraid we are almost going to have to completely purge this roster outside of 3 or 4 guys. This is beginning to look like a 2-3 year rebuild at the earliest. As much as I know it is going to sink us for the next 2 years I think we need to go ahead and pull the plug on this before it gets worse. Because while we are very near the bottom I do not think we’ve hit rock bottom yet.
Explain the problems with this team's culture
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
Explain the problems with this team's culture
We have no leadership and in the words of Julius Campbell, Attitude reflects leadership. As far back as I can remember we have had 3 or 4 clubhouse leaders on our teams. Whether that be a Will Clark, a Tommy Raffo, a Travis Chapman, a Mitch Moreland, a Conner Powers, a Hunter Renfroe, a Manniscalco, or hell even a Brooks Bryan
Last edited by StarkVegasSteve; 05-06-2023 at 09:33 PM.
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Originally Posted by
StarkVegasSteve
We have no leadership and in the words of Julius Campbell, Attitude reflects leadership.
We hustle
We dive for balls
We congratulate guys for good plays
We pay attention to coaching signals
Yes- we do dumb shit
The culture isnt bad except that Alford should be run off. Pitching is this team's problem. Got to fix it
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
We hustle
We dive for balls
We congratulate guys for good plays
We pay attention to coaching signals
Yes- we do dumb shit
The culture isnt bad except that Alford should be run off. Pitching is this team's problem. Got to fix it
We also run into each other in the outfield
Run into each other in the infield
Have no clue how to lay off a breaking ball
And yes, we do dumb shit.
Do agree that Alford needs to go but our problems are far beyond just pitching.
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Originally Posted by
StarkVegasSteve
We also run into each other in the outfield
Run into each other in the infield
Have no clue how to lay off a breaking ball
And yes, we do dumb shit.
Do agree that Alford needs to go but our problems are far beyond just pitching.
other teams do that shit too- other teams do not have a top 10 recruiting class
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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