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Ridiculous to even entertain spending that much on a club sport. We need offensive skill players and defense linemen.
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Originally Posted by
basedog
It's getting worse each week, I wish and hope we win out, but we all know this ain't happening. As far as him coming back, well we all are guessing right now, I think it's closer to 50-50 than 100% he is back. I have to laugh when folks talk about "we can't fire him, look at the upcoming class commits." Hasn't his recruiting been highly rated but we are 50-51 over last two season (thanks Ms 7), LOL As far as the buyout, it could be done and don't think it can't, foolish to think other wise. In saying that, he may be back, then again......
Let's go Dawgs, let's win this series!
100% agree - this dude has trashed the program. Also, he does not get 100% credit for the championship. My attribution:
(1) 5% Andy Cannizarro & Gary Henderson
(2) 15% Landon Sims as an Individual
(3) 15% Will Bednar as an Individual
(4) 15% Tanner Allen as an Individual
(5) 10% Rowdey, H Harding, and Logan Tanner as Individuals
(6) 10% Dude Effect and the Bulldog Nation
(7) 5% Jake Mangum for 2021 attitude
(8) 10% John Cohen's resurrection of Polk 2.0
(9) 13% Other factors
(10) 2% Bucket Man
I really don't think MSU should pay 2M for a coach now or ever. Just pay pretty good and spend better on assistants. In my opinion, the strength of the program is the MSU Nation, the dang coach is just an employee that you have to replace on a frequency.
Last edited by The Federalist Engineer; 05-06-2023 at 10:11 AM.
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Lemonis has been terrible these last 2 years and deserves to be fired, but contriving a way to remove credit from hom for the national title is silly. He got it done when lots of great coaches here and elsewhere never could and deserves every accolade he'll get for the rest of his life for that achievement.
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Agreed. Granted he did it with everyone else?s players. But yeah, he was the dude that made every great decision during that entire season that year.
This year reminds me of when you are playing Halo and no matter which way you turn during the game, the other team flanks you from the other direction.
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Originally Posted by
RockyDog
Ridiculous to even entertain spending that much on a club sport. We need offensive skill players and defense linemen.
lol, if you think we have the funds by kicking baseball to the curb to get football players, you're sadly mistaken. We wouldn't be able to "buy" them with or without the baseball money being there.
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Originally Posted by
sandjunky
I believe he is gone
I hope you're right, i've never been so disinterested in a Mississippi State sport...I cared more about the football team in the croom era than this nonsense.
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Originally Posted by
Quaoarsking
Lemonis has been terrible these last 2 years and deserves to be fired, but contriving a way to remove credit from hom for the national title is silly. He got it done when lots of great coaches here and elsewhere never could and deserves every accolade he'll get for the rest of his life for that achievement.
Winning at MSU with the inherited lineup of 1st rounders, SEC POY, facilities, stadium, and fan support is not something a two year coach can claim for himself. It's not like MSU was Michigan State going to regionals, supers, and Omaha with a bunch of goof-troop rejects.
You could say legends like Polk, Paul Petrulis, Burke Masters, Judy Hurst, Jay Powell, BJ Wallace, Rex Buckner, Carlton Loewer, Bruce Castoria, Nick Vickerson, John Harden, Cole Gordon and Nelson Arriete built the bridge to 2021. He just had to cross it.
The fans in stands were built for 2021 too. Ron Polk personally made me a fan for life as a 3rd grader. Firm commited fan for life. Polk shook my hand and gave me a ball, I still have.
Last edited by The Federalist Engineer; 05-06-2023 at 11:29 AM.
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Originally Posted by
RockyDog
Ridiculous to even entertain spending that much on a club sport. We need offensive skill players and defense linemen.
And if every true MSU fan donated 75% of their income.to get those players, that amount still wouldn't be a pimple on the ass of what the top tier schools who were after those same players could pay. Like it or not, baseball is the only sport we will ever have a chance to make noise with NIL-wise..
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Originally Posted by
sandjunky
I believe he is gone
A guy I know who talks to the money guys:
“It’s going to cost $6MM to fire them. Good luck finding that”
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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Originally Posted by
sandjunky
I believe he is gone
I do too.
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Originally Posted by
sandjunky
I believe he is gone
Based on what ??
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
A guy I know who talks to the money guys:
“It’s going to cost $6MM to fire them. Good luck finding that”
The question is how much ticket/concession/donor revenue will atrophy cost us next season.
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Originally Posted by
Cowbell
The question is how much ticket/concession/donor revenue will atrophy cost us next season.
All the tickets will be sold. The loss will be minimal.
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Originally Posted by
sandjunky
I believe he is gone
If he was gong to be gone, they wouldn't have fired Foxhall during the season. They are not firing a staff piecemeal.
Everyone wants to be a beast...until its time to do what beasts do.
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What's clear is that the MSU program is not foolproof. I started to think it was after Cohen-Cann-Henderson-Lemonis all took us Super Regionals.
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Originally Posted by
Leroy Jenkins
If he was gong to be gone, they wouldn't have fired Foxhall during the season. They are not firing a staff piecemeal.
they didn't fire anyone. Lemo did that on his own to attempt to save his own ass. If they want more of the same next year, they will retain him. end of story
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Originally Posted by
HoopsDawg
What's clear is that the MSU program is not foolproof. I started to think it was after Cohen-Cann-Henderson-Lemonis all took us Super Regionals.
That was the influence of one Jake Mangum, not any coaches. He was a huge reason Tanner, Rowdy and those guys got the team a trophy.
Jake didn’t reach the mountaintop, unfortunately, but my hope is that he returns to be a coach someday
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Originally Posted by
The Federalist Engineer
Winning at MSU with the inherited lineup of 1st rounders, SEC POY, facilities, stadium, and fan support is not something a two year coach can claim for himself. It's not like MSU was Michigan State going to regionals, supers, and Omaha with a bunch of goof-troop rejects.
You could say legends like Polk, Paul Petrulis, Burke Masters, Judy Hurst, Jay Powell, BJ Wallace, Rex Buckner, Carlton Loewer, Bruce Castoria, Nick Vickerson, John Harden, Cole Gordon and Nelson Arriete built the bridge to 2021. He just had to cross it.
The fans in stands were built for 2021 too. Ron Polk personally made me a fan for life as a 3rd grader. Firm commited fan for life. Polk shook my hand and gave me a ball, I still have.
I just don't know why you want to minimize his accomplishment. So he had a foundation laid for him. So do a lot of national title winning coaches. So do a lot of coaches who fail to win a national title. He still went through a gauntlet to get there and deserves every bit of credit.
The best case scenario is for him to resign at the end of this season but still make it back to Starkville once a year going forward for a huge standing ovation.
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State baseball was good before Polk. People need to realize that as well. Polk got the investment into baseball and a stadium built.
Last edited by Coach34; 05-06-2023 at 02:26 PM.
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