WTF Lemonis?- Deep Thoughts From Todd

[StarkVegasSteve]

If we fire Fox now, which I would say is 50/50 at best, I don't know who you go get because here's the one thing none of are considering when we throw these names out there. If Lemonis cans Fox that is him admitting that his time is running out and this is the last ditch effort. I doubt he would be comfortable placing his future in the hands of Jay Powell, Roy Oswalt, Russ McNickle, or whoever it may be. I doubt he knows any of those guys on more than just a handshake level. And this isn't like Cohen being the AD where he can tell Lemonis this is what you need to do. Selmon never played the game so he's not going to know who to go to or who you could trust. And Polk has been out of the game too long. I don't think you can take his opinion into things.

The only other option I see is let Kyle handle the pitchers, but that's not a great repair on the situation either. We're in a bad situation and I don't know that there's a good answer out of it. There's MASSIVE risk any way you go. If you keep Fox, it's probably going to be the same, but if you get rid of him and bring in another guy you may be filling these kids heads with even more information and just end up overloading them. I just don't see a scenario where Lemonis feels comfortable enough letting Fox go. Lemonis may just have to take over all pitching decisions and let Kyle and the catchers call the game. Let Lemonis do all mound visits and pitching changes and basically just strip Fox of any coaching duties other than being a babysitter for their bullpens.

[Cooterpoot]

If we fire Fox now, which I would say is 50/50 at best, I don't know who you go get because here's the one thing none of are considering when we throw these names out there. If Lemonis cans Fox that is him admitting that his time is running out and this is the last ditch effort. I doubt he would be comfortable placing his future in the hands of Jay Powell, Roy Oswalt, Russ McNickle, or whoever it may be. I doubt he knows any of those guys on more than just a handshake level. And this isn't like Cohen being the AD where he can tell Lemonis this is what you need to do. Selmon never played the game so he's not going to know who to go to or who you could trust. And Polk has been out of the game too long. I don't think you can take his opinion into things.

The only other option I see is let Kyle handle the pitchers, but that's not a great repair on the situation either. We're in a bad situation and I don't know that there's a good answer out of it. There's MASSIVE risk any way you go. If you keep Fox, it's probably going to be the same, but if you get rid of him and bring in another guy you may be filling these kids heads with even more information and just end up overloading them. I just don't see a scenario where Lemonis feels comfortable enough letting Fox go. Lemonis may just have to take over all pitching decisions and let Kyle and the catchers call the game. Let Lemonis do all mound visits and pitching changes and basically just strip Fox of any coaching duties other than being a babysitter for their bullpens.

You forget Lemonis has a boss. Said boss can demand Lem fire Foxy. And he absolutely should if Lem doesn't have the sack. Otherwise, they all get fired end of season. This staff is done here barring a miracle.

[StarkVegasSteve]

You forget Lemonis has a boss. Said boss can demand Lem fire Foxy. And he absolutely should if Lem doesn't have the sack. Otherwise, they all get fired end of season. This staff is done here barring a miracle.

No I said that. But as I said he doesn't have the connections that Cohen did. Cohen could've suggested someone in the interim. Selmon probably doesn't know who all the baseball coaches in the conference are. I mean if he's telling Chris to get rid of Fox and not offering any type of solution then we might as well just keep Fox. You can't just say fire him and figure it out, but if you don't figure it out you're fired as well.

[Todd4State]

No I said that. But as I said he doesn't have the connections that Cohen did. Cohen could've suggested someone in the interim. Selmon probably doesn't know who all the baseball coaches in the conference are. I mean if he's telling Chris to get rid of Fox and not offering any type of solution then we might as well just keep Fox. You can't just say fire him and figure it out, but if you don't figure it out you're fired as well.

Our major boosters and baseball alumni are going to be the ones handling this more than Selmon. He'll carry out the marching orders when they're ready.

[Todd4State]

If we fire Fox now, which I would say is 50/50 at best, I don't know who you go get because here's the one thing none of are considering when we throw these names out there. If Lemonis cans Fox that is him admitting that his time is running out and this is the last ditch effort. I doubt he would be comfortable placing his future in the hands of Jay Powell, Roy Oswalt, Russ McNickle, or whoever it may be. I doubt he knows any of those guys on more than just a handshake level. And this isn't like Cohen being the AD where he can tell Lemonis this is what you need to do. Selmon never played the game so he's not going to know who to go to or who you could trust. And Polk has been out of the game too long. I don't think you can take his opinion into things.

The only other option I see is let Kyle handle the pitchers, but that's not a great repair on the situation either. We're in a bad situation and I don't know that there's a good answer out of it. There's MASSIVE risk any way you go. If you keep Fox, it's probably going to be the same, but if you get rid of him and bring in another guy you may be filling these kids heads with even more information and just end up overloading them. I just don't see a scenario where Lemonis feels comfortable enough letting Fox go. Lemonis may just have to take over all pitching decisions and let Kyle and the catchers call the game. Let Lemonis do all mound visits and pitching changes and basically just strip Fox of any coaching duties other than being a babysitter for their bullpens.

You're right it may not work. But we know Foxhall isn't going to work.

I watch a lot of MLB baseball and all I can go off of is this- when a situation like this happens in MLB the change is generally positive and things get better.

Should we pitch Cjinjte/Dohm on Saturday or even Sunday to increase our chances of picking up the win with them?

If we keep Dohm in the pen we can use him when we need him within reason- realistically two of the three games Fri, Sat, or Sun max. That's the biggest reason why I want to keep him in the bullpen and not put him in the rotation. Loo I think is good enough to give us a chance on Friday. I'd rather use Dohm two games than one for 6-7 IP. Getting Cade and Nixon back will help a lot too.

[StarkVegasSteve]

You're right it may not work. But we know Foxhall isn't going to work.

I watch a lot of MLB baseball and all I can go off of is this- when a situation like this happens in MLB the change is generally positive and things get better.



If we keep Dohm in the pen we can use him when we need him within reason- realistically two of the three games Fri, Sat, or Sun max. That's the biggest reason why I want to keep him in the bullpen and not put him in the rotation. Loo I think is good enough to give us a chance on Friday. I'd rather use Dohm two games than one for 6-7 IP. Getting Cade and Nixon back will help a lot too.

Unfortunately for us, it's a lot easier to do it at that level. I mean MLB teams not only have a pitching coach and a bullpen coach, they also have multiple organizational levels of coaches that they could bring up. We don't have anything like that. We are in agreement that Fox needs to go, but I don't know that there is a good answer for what to do. And I'll be honest, I don't think there is.

[Todd4State]

Unfortunately for us, it's a lot easier to do it at that level. I mean MLB teams not only have a pitching coach and a bullpen coach, they also have multiple organizational levels of coaches that they could bring up. We don't have anything like that. We are in agreement that Fox needs to go, but I don't know that there is a good answer for what to do. And I'll be honest, I don't think there is.

We have a lot more connections than most college baseball programs. And we have the ability to bring in someone competent.

If it doesn't work it doesn't work. Getting rid of Foxhall now is our best chance to turn it around. With the talent we have I don't think turning it around is out of the realm of possibility.

I would rather try and it not work than sit here and follow something we know has zero chance of working and is only going to get worse.

[Saltydog]

Let Jay Powell finish the year.........He probably wouldn't but who knows.......What's Roy Oswalt doing?

[The Federalist Engineer]

If we fire Fox now, which I would say is 50/50 at best, I don't know who you go get because here's the one thing none of are considering when we throw these names out there. If Lemonis cans Fox that is him admitting that his time is running out and this is the last ditch effort. I doubt he would be comfortable placing his future in the hands of Jay Powell, Roy Oswalt, Russ McNickle, or whoever it may be. I doubt he knows any of those guys on more than just a handshake level. And this isn't like Cohen being the AD where he can tell Lemonis this is what you need to do. Selmon never played the game so he's not going to know who to go to or who you could trust. And Polk has been out of the game too long. I don't think you can take his opinion into things.

The only other option I see is let Kyle handle the pitchers, but that's not a great repair on the situation either. We're in a bad situation and I don't know that there's a good answer out of it. There's MASSIVE risk any way you go. If you keep Fox, it's probably going to be the same, but if you get rid of him and bring in another guy you may be filling these kids heads with even more information and just end up overloading them. I just don't see a scenario where Lemonis feels comfortable enough letting Fox go. Lemonis may just have to take over all pitching decisions and let Kyle and the catchers call the game. Let Lemonis do all mound visits and pitching changes and basically just strip Fox of any coaching duties other than being a babysitter for their bullpens.

Just hear me out, then call me crazy.

But why is a PC a sacred cow? I cannot understand this. MSU could go hire an experienced PC for the season today. Just hypothetically, Dave Eiland. An ex-New York Yankee PC. 12 Years an MLB player. 10 Years an MLB PC. Has two world series wins. Sitting at home, probably in Florida where all the MLB retirees live. He would not come to Starkville for 300K to help us win 14 SEC games and keep things respectable?

I am just using this man's name as an example, I am sure coach Cannizarro can get us someone from the Boras organization. I just like a NY Yankee coach, because they are all about winning. They are not messing around with head cases in the Bronx.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Just hear me out, then call me crazy.

But why is a PC a sacred cow? I cannot understand this. MSU could go hire an experienced PC for the season today. Just hypothetically, Dave Eiland. An ex-New York Yankee PC. 12 Years an MLB player. 10 Years an MLB PC. Has two world series wins. Sitting at home, probably in Florida where all the MLB retirees live. He would not come to Starkville for 300K to help us win 14 SEC games and keep things respectable?

I am just using this man's name as an example, I am sure coach Cannizarro can get us someone from the Boras organization. I just like a NY Yankee coach, because they are all about winning. They are not messing around with head cases in the Bronx.

No. None of those guys are going to trade sitting on a beach in Florida to come to Starkville, MS for 90 days. I know some of you guys think that Starkville is the greatest place in the world, it is not. And btw, I love Starkville and I have a condo there. I love it because I love Mississippi State. Starkville is a boring town 300 days a year if you are in between the ages of 25-50. It just is. There is not a bunch to do. Now if you are retiree or a college kid, it is a great town. Go to Starkville on a random ass Wednesday night in the middle of November and see what there is to do. Unless you want to go hang out at a bar with college kids then your options are extremely limited. I say all that to bring up a bigger point in that it is not just oh we have a nice stadium so any coach will definitely come. There are people who will come, but the list is not long as some of you think it is. Vitello for example would have been perfect when we hired Lemonis. He has no family obligations and he is just a workhorse. He could also go hobknob with the big boys at 44 Prime and be in his element.

Secondly, Selmon is not going to demand Lemonis fire Fox and then saddle him with an interim PC that he has no relationship with. That is beyond stupid. Now, if Lemonis has an idea of a guy that he knows will come for 90 days, then do it. But do not go into it thinking that guys are going to be banging down the door to relocate to Mississippi for 90 days.