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    thats some serious man crush issues. help is avaiable

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    Quote Originally Posted by KB21 View Post
    Probably because they listened to people who still believe running the ball is the most important part of offense.
    OR more probable is the guys who get drafted at rb actually run the ball more than they catch it. Even the best ones. Being able to catch it is important. Being able to block at that position in the nfl is WAY more important. It's not even close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homedawg View Post
    OR more probable is the guys who get drafted at rb actually run the ball more than they catch it. Even the best ones. Being able to catch it is important. Being able to block at that position in the nfl is WAY more important. It's not even close.
    Marks and Dillon are 2 of only 3 backs who have had 60+ receptions in the last TWO SEASONS yet this clown is trying to argue that backs with 80 receptions should be the norm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrapGame View Post
    Candy Man?!!

    No way CC. It's like summoning Doofy from Scary Movie.

    Dam I blew snot. Instant rep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KB21 View Post
    I?m saying that Woody is wrong in his thinking that taking more handoffs will help him long term. Particularly in an offense that will ?run the ball come hell or high water.?
    Woody's biggest issue is staying healthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coachnorm View Post
    Has anyone who has posted on this issue referenced any video that they have seen on YouTube regarding App. St? I was curious and not judgmental, TED LASSO, and absorbed as much App. St. content as possible to gain an understanding.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x0PzUoJS-U
    We're probably going to look a lot more like Central Michigan than App State if I had to guess.

    I don't think anyone really knows for sure at this point if we're being honest.

    One thing that I do feel fairly confident about is we don't have the personnel for him to do what he really wants to do at this point. So let's just hope he doesn't square peg round hole our season again like every new offensive coach or coordinator we hire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldendawg View Post
    If the new offense fails, then most of us can eat crow and admit you were right.
    WRONG! It's never been an argument of whether or not the offense will be successful. The argument is that KB doesn't have the intellectual horsepower required to understand what the offense will actually look like because he has an incorrect preconceived notion about what "pro-style" means. And that has already been proven true, so no one has any crow to eat on that matter. Might the offense fail? Sure. But most of us want to wait and see what it actually looks like BEFORE we try to pass judgment on it.

    There are plenty of people who have a healthy skepticism about it. This one guy just has an unhealthy obsession with it that is based purely on emotion. That can never be bared out to have been the correct stance, no matter what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMDawg View Post
    WRONG! It's never been an argument of whether or not the offense will be successful. The argument is that KB doesn't have the intellectual horsepower required to understand what the offense will actually look like because he has an incorrect preconceived notion about what "pro-style" means. And that has already been proven true, so no one has any crow to eat on that matter. Might the offense fail? Sure. But most of us want to wait and see what it actually looks like BEFORE we try to pass judgment on it.

    There are plenty of people who have a healthy skepticism about it. This one guy just has an unhealthy obsession with it that is based purely on emotion. That can never be bared out to have been the correct stance, no matter what.
    BINGO!

    It's not that the offense won't work. It's that this is not the offense HE WANTS.

    We could lead the conference in rushing yards and rushing touchdowns next season and he'd still be PISSED b/c we aren't throwing it enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMDawg View Post
    WRONG! It's never been an argument of whether or not the offense will be successful. The argument is that KB doesn't have the intellectual horsepower required to understand what the offense will actually look like because he has an incorrect preconceived notion about what "pro-style" means. And that has already been proven true, so no one has any crow to eat on that matter. Might the offense fail? Sure. But most of us want to wait and see what it actually looks like BEFORE we try to pass judgment on it.

    There are plenty of people who have a healthy skepticism about it. This one guy just has an unhealthy obsession with it that is based purely on emotion. That can never be bared out to have been the correct stance, no matter what.
    He don't care. He is a mega Troll/ He would be doing the same if we were all for the Air Raid and he was for the wishbone/

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrapGame View Post
    BINGO!

    It's not that the offense won't work. It's that this is not the offense HE WANTS.

    We could lead the conference in rushing yards and rushing touchdowns next season and he'd still be PISSED b/c we aren't throwing it enough.
    I think the problem is we have fans with PTSD from the pre-Mullen days that aren?t aware that it IS a possibility to have an offense that can run AND throw the ball too. I know that didn?t happen much during the Felker/Sherrill/Crooms regime but Merlins showed that you CAN have a run based offense that STILL has a 2500+ yard passer. Chris Relf was statistically better than ANY QB those 3 previous coaches ever fielded.

    We just need a segment of our fans to leave the 80s and realize that modern offenses go way beyond 3 yards and a cloud of dust led by a QB that can?t hit the broad side of a barn.

    Hell there are offenses these days that can run for 2000 and pass for 3500 easily in todays game. Crooms and Sherill couldn?t have put those numbers up in 2 seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyDog View Post
    I think the problem is we have fans with PTSD from the pre-Mullen days that aren?t aware that it IS a possibility to have an offense that can run AND throw the ball too. I know that didn?t happen much during the Felker/Sherrill/Crooms regime but Merlins showed that you CAN have a run based offense that STILL has a 2500+ yard passer. Chris Relf was statistically better than ANY QB those 3 previous coaches ever fielded.

    We just need a segment of our fans to leave the 80s and realize that modern offenses go way beyond 3 yards and a cloud of dust led by a QB that can?t hit the broad side of a barn.

    Hell there are offenses these days that can run for 2000 and pass for 3500 easily in todays game. Crooms and Sherill couldn?t have put those numbers up in 2 seasons.
    Lincoln Riley, that's noted Mike Leach disciple and close friend Lincoln Riley, institutes a TE and has about a 60/40 run to pass split. But every time that stat is brought up, and I've brought it up multiple times, he runs and hides until someone else posts something that he can cherrypick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldendawg View Post
    Why not give it a chance? If the new offense fails, then most of us can eat crow and admit you were right. Until then, you have beaten this horse to death and into the dust. If your goal is to become the #1 poster on this board, you've got about 65K posts to go. Hail State!
    I agree with the sentiment, but I dont believe any of these guys are going to admit they were wron and eat crow (on either side of this)

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    One pass completion of 80 yards nets you 80 yards. Sixteen pass completions of five yards nets you 80 yards. What is the true production, is it attempts and completions or production in yards? Were we a true pass attack with swing passes, check downs, and screens substituted for up field pass completions. I am happy to know that the garbage gadget short pass scheme is gone. I would easily take one 80 yard completion and 15 run plays over 16 five yard completions. A single back tight end offense is a four receiver attack especially when the tight end is flexed so if the opposition loads the line of scrimmage, something big might punch them in the mouth via the scoreboard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mo7888 View Post
    I agree with the sentiment, but I dont believe any of these guys are going to admit they were wron and eat crow (on either side of this)
    What are the sides?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMDawg View Post
    What are the sides?
    The intellectual side who knows the passing game is the most important aspect to winning, and the ignorant side who believes you have to run the ball to win.
    #AirRaidForever!!#SwingYourSword!!#FireArnett

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    Woody's biggest issue is staying healthy.
    New offense should greatly benefit him, I know it was integral to the offense but I always hated watching him get absolutely blown up by a corner with a 8 yard running start on a 2 yard flat. Woody gonna eat this year

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    Quote Originally Posted by KB21 View Post
    The intellectual side who knows the passing game is the most important aspect to winning, and the ignorant side who believes you have to run the ball to win.
    YOU HAVE TO HAVE BALANCE TO WIN. How MF hard is that for you to understand? How many times was Mike Leach in the playoffs? ZERO. How many conference championships did he win? ZERO.

    There is a cap on the pure Air Raid. Do you not understand that there's a reason NO ONE ELSE runs it? It will NEVER win big. It will get you between 7-8 wins a year and maybe once every 4 years you can win 9-10. Which is exactly our historical average for the last 14 years.

    If you're going to continue with this shit for the next 8 months please leave and go get an actual hobby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KB21 View Post
    The intellectual side who knows the passing game is the most important aspect to winning, and the ignorant side who believes you have to run the ball to win.
    LOL @ you believing you are intellectual!!! Thanks, I needed a good laugh today!

    But, I wasn't asking you.

    I'll answer my own question. As I stated earlier, there really aren't two sides here. There's you, who is irrelevant, because you're just throwing an eternal childish tantrum about things you can't understand, then there's everyone else. Amongst "everyone else", there are a LOT of different takes, but most of them actually take facts, data, and actual football into account. In this camp, there's room for intelligent discussion, debate, opposing views, and general football talk. In your camp, there's just a monkey throwing dung on itself repeatedly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMDawg View Post
    LOL @ you believing you are intellectual!!! Thanks, I needed a good laugh today!

    But, I wasn't asking you.

    I'll answer my own question. As I stated earlier, there really aren't two sides here. There's you, who is irrelevant, because you're just throwing an eternal childish tantrum about things you can't understand, then there's everyone else. Amongst "everyone else", there are a LOT of different takes, but most of them actually take facts, data, and actual football into account. In this camp, there's room for intelligent discussion, debate, opposing views, and general football talk. In your camp, there's just a monkey throwing dung on itself repeatedly.
    Not hardly. In my camp, everything is supported by data. My camp actually understands how running Barbay's pro style offense is going to hurt Mississippi State in the long run and how the Air Raid had a lot more potential to elevate the program than this scheme.
    #AirRaidForever!!#SwingYourSword!!#FireArnett

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