Eric Reed Jr. accomplished what Shawn Jones Jr. didn't the prior game

[louisvilledawg]

16 minutes played, no counting stats at all, 1 personal foul. Truly a remarkable feat.

[Goldendawg]

16 minutes played, no counting stats at all, 1 personal foul. Truly a remarkable feat.

Jans determined to play his non-SEC talented players. He better recruit well as Hamilton, Murphy, and Russell will hit portal after getting little to no playing time in this terrible SEC season thus far. Jans has stated he won't play a guy who has defensive issues, but also said after game his starters are getting the team in a hole beginning the games. Maybe some other players can score a little to close the gap. This team has gone from fun to watch in OOC to brutal to watch in conference. I have been to every home game and watched the rest. I knew we had major issues vs. JSU. He also seems to have big problems identifying his best players or rotations to date, although his choices seem to be very limited. Give someone else a chance. JMO.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Jans determined to play his non-SEC talented players. He better recruit well as Hamilton, Murphy, and Russell will hit portal after getting little to no playing time in this terrible SEC season thus far. Jans has stated he won't play a guy who has defensive issues, but also said after game his starters are getting the team in a hole beginning the games. Mybe some other players can score a little to close the gap. This team has gone from fun to watch in OOC to brutal to watch in conference. I have been to every home game and watched the rest. I kinew we had major issues vs. JSU. He also seems to have big problems identifying his best players or rotations to date. JMO.

Who is playing that is not "SEC TALENT"? Jones is the only one you might could have an argument on. I don't really have an issue with his rotations. The times he has put Hamilton or Murphy in there they have looked scared to death. Stevenson is the same way. He looks terrified when he misses a shot. We just don't have outside shooting. That's this team's really one and only problem. They're not bad basketball players or "Non-SEC Talent" just because they can't hit a 3. You put a Reginald Delk or Phil Turner on this team and they're a top 25 team. Jans has recruited to fix that issue. Some got too over the skis with how well we played OOC, and we were a tough watch even then because we couldn't score. You could watch any game and tell we were going to struggle when conference play started. It didn't take a physicist to see that we had ZERO outside shooting outside of Shak.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Meh I have already moved on from Basketball. It was fun while it lasted

[Goldendawg]

Disagree to date on contributions of Horton (quit), Reed Jr., Stevenson, and Jones. Davis looking better as he recovers from injury. McNair looking like the real deal. SEC did us no favors in early schedule with TN/bama twice early (LT still helping with the schedules in SEC office?) with a new coach and several new players. Maybe we can turn things around after next bama game and remainder of SEC season.

[KB21]

Who is playing that is not "SEC TALENT"? Jones is the only one you might could have an argument on. I don't really have an issue with his rotations. The times he has put Hamilton or Murphy in there they have looked scared to death. Stevenson is the same way. He looks terrified when he misses a shot. We just don't have outside shooting. That's this team's really one and only problem. They're not bad basketball players or "Non-SEC Talent" just because they can't hit a 3. You put a Reginald Delk or Phil Turner on this team and they're a top 25 team. Jans has recruited to fix that issue. Some got too over the skis with how well we played OOC, and we were a tough watch even then because we couldn't score. You could watch any game and tell we were going to struggle when conference play started. It didn't take a physicist to see that we had ZERO outside shooting outside of Shak.

Yep. Coach Jans is playing the hand he was dealt at this point. Last year at NMSU, around 48% of his team's shots taken were three point shots. That has had to decline to around 33% this year at Mississippi State.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Disagree to date on contributions of Horton (quit), Reed Jr., Stevenson, and Jones. Davis looking better as he recovers from injury. McNair looking like the real deal. SEC did us no favors in early schedule with TN/bama twice early (LT still helping with the schedules in SEC office?) with a new coach and several new players. Maybe we can turn things around after next bama game and remainder of SEC season.

Our schedule gets much more manageable after Saturday. USCe twice, Mizzou twice, @OM, @Arky, @Vandy, with LSU, A&M, and UK all at home. We can win every home game left and should be able to win @USCe,OM, and Vandy. That would give 6-8 more wins on the year. Put you anywhere from 8-10 to 10-8 in the league. 10-8 with a tourney win might be enough to sneak you in to a play in game. Again, all of that is doable but it's anything but a guarantee. If we play like we did in the first 10 minutes against FL or the entire UGA game then we'll be lucky to win 3 more.

[maroonmania]

Yep. Coach Jans is playing the hand he was dealt at this point. Last year at NMSU, around 48% of his team's shots taken were three point shots. That has had to decline to around 33% this year at Mississippi State.

When Coach Norman Dale famously said "there's more to the game than shooting", apparently he had never watched this MSU BB team play. I think we have proven it's still by far the most important part of the game. You can't score you won't win.

[StarkVegasSteve]

When Coach Norman Dale famously said "there's more to the game than shooting", apparently he had never watched this MSU BB team play. I think we have proven it's still by far the most important part of the game. You can't score you won't win.

That was also 25 years before the 3 pt line. This team would be hell on wheels if there wasn't a 3 pt line.

[Goldendawg]

Our schedule gets much more manageable after Saturday. USCe twice, Mizzou twice, @OM, @Arky, @Vandy, with LSU, A&M, and UK all at home. We can win every home game left and should be able to win @USCe,OM, and Vandy. That would give 6-8 more wins on the year. Put you anywhere from 8-10 to 10-8 in the league. 10-8 with a tourney win might be enough to sneak you in to a play in game. Again, all of that is doable but it's anything but a guarantee. If we play like we did in the first 10 minutes against FL or the entire UGA game then we'll be lucky to win 3 more.

FL postgame Coach Jans also stated that Moore was getting starter's minutes, but he had no one else he could bring off bench to give them a quick spark. Said he had also considered changing starting lineup before game. Team needs a couple of wins to get out of this rut asap. Hail State!

[StarkVegasSteve]

FL postgame Coach Jans also stated that Moore was getting starter's minutes, but he had no one else he could bring off bench to give them a quick spark. Said he had also considered changing starting lineup before game. Team needs a couple of wins to get out of this rut asap. Hail State!

He just doesn't. I mean we don't have a 3 and D guy on the bench or in the starting 5 and that's what this team is desperately missing. Now, he's got one signed out of JUCO that is going to be exactly that. Lorenzo Fort out of Texas. He's shooting almost 47% from 3 on the year.

[NCMSTFAN]

He just doesn't. I mean we don't have a 3 and D guy on the bench or in the starting 5 and that's what this team is desperately missing. Now, he's got one signed out of JUCO that is going to be exactly that. Lorenzo Fort out of Texas. He's shooting almost 47% from 3 on the year.

Lorenzo Fort is putting up good numbers at the JUCO level but remember he played at the D1 level already and wasn't very productive. JUCO numbers don't always translate to the SEC level

Deshawn Davis, Eric Reed Jr and Jamel Horton all had really good JUCO numbers also. I do see your point though, I'm hoping we can get someone a little more proven in the portal, building SEC teams through the JUCO rankings is tough.

[Rawdawg]

Lorenzo Fort is putting up good numbers at the JUCO level but remember he played at the D1 level already and wasn't very productive. JUCO numbers don't always translate to the SEC level

Deshawn Davis, Eric Reed Jr and Jamel Horton all had really good JUCO numbers also. I do see your point though, I'm hoping we can get someone a little more proven in the portal, building SEC teams through the JUCO rankings is tough.

If you cross reference the top juco players from last year to the teams they are currently on, only Daniss Jenkins of Iona has made an impact. The rest barely play. Last year?s top 100 juco class isn?t an exception either, you can cross reference stats up to 2017 and there?s usually one guy that is decent and the rest are filling scholarships.

[StarkVegasSteve]

If you cross reference the top juco players from last year to the teams they are currently on, only Daniss Jenkins of Iona has made an impact. The rest barely play. Last year?s top 100 juco class isn?t an exception either, you can cross reference stats up to 2017 and there?s usually one guy that is decent and the rest are filling scholarships.

Well if that scholarship filler can shoot then he'll play for us. 46% from 3 is absurd. Even if he drops to 36% he'd still lead our team by a wide margin

[Rawdawg]

Well if that scholarship filler can shoot then he'll play for us. 46% from 3 is absurd. Even if he drops to 36% he'd still lead our team by a wide margin

That would be a great percentage but it doesn?t matter if he?s only playing 8-10 minutes a game.

[BiscuitEater]

We just don't have outside shooting. That's this team's really one and only problem.

.. that AND free throws!

[R2Dawg]

That was also 25 years before the 3 pt line. This team would be hell on wheels if there wasn't a 3 pt line.

Yep no kidding. I played in 80s with no 3 pt line, a different game today for sure.

[NCMSTFAN]

Yep. Coach Jans is playing the hand he was dealt at this point. Last year at NMSU, around 48% of his team's shots taken were three point shots. That has had to decline to around 33% this year at Mississippi State.

Its not like he inherited a team mostly intact. He inherited:
Tolu Smith, DJ Jeffries, Shak Moore, Cam Matthews, Keyshawn Murphy (Russell and Hamilton were Howland recruits but they never played under Howland)

He brought in:
Dashawn Davis, Eric Reed Jr., Jamel Horton, Shawn Jones Jr., Will Mcnair and Tyler Stevenson

So half of the team are his recruits and to be honest none of them seem to be SEC caliber players.