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Just need to go get Gonzalez and Hev to join Knox and have C34?s country club back together!
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Holy crap we upgraded as a staff. I'm very impressed by what Arnett was able to put together considering the circumstances he was put in.
"We will have no problem in handling Kentucky."-Turfdawg67. MSU suffered a 27-17 defeat in 2022 with 225 yards in total offense.
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Originally Posted by
Really Clark?
Why am I picturing KB/mo looking exactly like this?
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Some of y'all are miserable 17ers
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Originally Posted by
BankerDog
Just need to go get Gonzalez and Hev to join Knox and have C34?s country club back together!
Funny enough I would love to bring Hev back as an offensive analyst. He evaluated the players he could coach and build up and he did it more times than not. He wasn't the recruiter that Mason Miller or even Marcus Johnson was, but he was on equal footing with Miller as a coach and developer.
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A much better staff would have been:
OC - Chris Hatcher
WRs/Passing Game Coordinator - Drew Hollingshead
OL/Run Game Coordinator - Mason Miller
iWR - Adam Shaker
RBs - Trey Tinsley
#AirRaidForever!!#SwingYourSword!!#FireArnett
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Originally Posted by
KOdawg1
Some of y'all are miserable 17ers
For real. This is one of the best overall staffs that's ever been at MSU & you have people swearing we downgraded 🤦
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Originally Posted by
KB21
A much better staff would have been:
OC - Chris Hatcher
WRs/Passing Game Coordinator - Drew Hollingshead
OL/Run Game Coordinator - Mason Miller
iWR - Adam Shaker
RBs - Trey Tinsley
You know I almost think you have some good points and then you ruin it with s*** like Trey Tinsley as the RB coach or Adam Shaker at WR coach. Why would not just keep JWash?? Also Drew was not staying without the OC title. That's been reported by multiple people, not just message board posters.
If we were going to keep the Air Raid principles, because the pure Air Raid died with Mike, a better staff would be:
OC/QB Coach-Drew Hollingshead
RB Coach-JWash
OWR/PGC-Dennis Simmons
OL/RGC-Mason Miller
IWR-Daikiel Shorts or Chad Bumphis
Again, it was obvious Arnett did not want the Air Raid, but if he did that would've been my staff.
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Originally Posted by
662dawg
For real. This is one of the best overall staffs that's ever been at MSU & you have people swearing we downgraded
Where was there upgrade? I'm not trying to be an ass I just don't see where we upgraded.
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Originally Posted by
StarkVegasSteve
You know I almost think you have some good points and then you ruin it with s*** like Trey Tinsley as the RB coach or Adam Shaker at WR coach. Why would not just keep JWash?? Also Drew was not staying without the OC title. That's been reported by multiple people, not just message board posters.
If we were going to keep the Air Raid principles, because the pure Air Raid died with Mike, a better staff would be:
OC/QB Coach-Drew Hollingshead
RB Coach-JWash
OWR/PGC-Dennis Simmons
OL/RGC-Mason Miller
IWR-Daikiel Shorts or Chad Bumphis
Again, it was obvious Arnett did not want the Air Raid, but if he did that would've been my staff.
I'd kept Shaker and Tinsely because they have been quality control coaches under Leach for multiple years now and know the offense. Both are rising stars in the Air Raid, along with Hollingshead.
#AirRaidForever!!#SwingYourSword!!#FireArnett
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Originally Posted by
KB21
I'd kept Shaker and Tinsely because they have been quality control coaches under Leach for multiple years now and know the offense. Both are rising stars in the Air Raid, along with Hollingshead.
They've just never recruited off campus. Throwing them into an SEC position coach would worry me. But it doesn't matter because we didn't do it.
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So Friend is classified as OL coach and coaches only centers and guards? I don't especially like breaking up OL coaching like that, but I'm not the coach. Hopefully it works out.
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Originally Posted by
StarkVegasSteve
Where was there upgrade? I'm not trying to be an ass I just don't see where we upgraded.
I like the Greg Knox - Tony Hughes combo for RB's - recruiting a lot with JWash still here, I think that's a plus truthfully. We would debate the OL hires, I think it's an upgrade and you don't. So be it, we would just have to agree to disagree.
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Originally Posted by
StarkVegasSteve
They've just never recruited off campus. Throwing them into an SEC position coach would worry me. But it doesn't matter because we didn't do it.
It's no different than promoting Hollingshead last year. He is now an offensive coordinator.
EDIT: I would have had zero issue with making Hollingshead the offensive coordinator here either.
Last edited by KB21; 01-20-2023 at 02:36 PM.
#AirRaidForever!!#SwingYourSword!!#FireArnett
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Originally Posted by
KB21
It's no different than promoting Hollingshead last year. He is now an offensive coordinator.
Well it kind of is. Hollingshead was the unofficial QB coach for years under Mike. Mike had the title of QB coach, but Drew was the guy running drills and was in the room with Mike running it.
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Originally Posted by
Really Clark?
I like the Greg Knox - Tony Hughes combo for RB's - recruiting a lot with JWash still here, I think that's a plus truthfully. We would debate the OL hires, I think it's an upgrade and you don't. So be it, we would just have to agree to disagree.
So what do you like about Will Friend over Mason? Mason is a better recruiter and developer in my eyes. I'll give you Greg/Tony combo just because it's two over one, although I can go ahead and tell you Greg is going to be running that room. They gave Tony that title so he could recruit off campus.
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Originally Posted by
StarkVegasSteve
Where was there upgrade? I'm not trying to be an ass I just don't see where we upgraded.
See really Clarks response to you & I'll add that I think we upgraded at WR coach. We weren't the greatest at WR last year.
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Originally Posted by
StarkVegasSteve
So what do you like about Will Friend over Mason? Mason is a better recruiter and developer in my eyes.
It's not just Friend now though is it. Honestly I don't think we miss a thing from the recruiting side at all and with both Friend and Schmidt as OL coaches it's a wash at worse. Friend is a better position coach in my opinion but I know you disagree. He has OL groups grade out extremely well over multiple stops for over a decade. I believe in total it's an upgrade, coaching and recruiting. I knew you wouldn't though and that's why I said we would end up agreeing to disagree. And you know I really like Mason too.
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Originally Posted by
662dawg
See really Clarks response to you & I'll add that I think we upgraded at WR coach. We weren't the greatest at WR last year.
Ok how did we upgrade at WR coach? Spurrier and Drew were ace recruiters and I thought our receivers played really well last year. Kind of hard to break a big one when you have a QB who can't throw 35 yards down the field. It's especially hard to break big ones, when you're having to catch slants with 9 people in the box. I don't blame our coaches for drops, that's on the receivers.
Bumphis has no recruiting ties in the area and he's not known as a good recruiter, and playing in MS doesn't give you recruiting ties in the area. It means you're known at one school. Kids these don't remember Mississippi State WRs from 12 years ago. Also, his receivers at Utah never impressed me. They got ZERO separation in the games I watched them and their blocking was average against teams with a pulse.
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