I'm really liking the way we are trending with QB's

[Coach34]

That is such an antiquated way to look at things... it hasn't worked in the past, with only one or two exceptions, and it's not going to work in the future... and when I inevitably say, 'I told you so' in about 10 months you'll have some lame excuse as to why it didn't work and why it'll work better next time....

It's really not. It works very well. Just look at Mississippi.

2021- Coral ran 152/614 while throwing for 3350 yards. They won 10 games doing it. Something we have done twice in history.
2022- Dart ran for 128/614 while throwing for 3000 yards.

Mississippi has been above us scoring O the last 2 years. The shit works. They did the same shit under Freezus. They have 2 Sugar Bowls doing the shit. We dont. Why? They recruited better at WR. They didnt have their recruiting coach telling them they would have to learn to block before anything at State like we did with Hevesy

Facts are not on your side

[mo7888]

It's really not. It works very well. Just look at Mississippi.

2021- Coral ran 152/614 while throwing for 3350 yards. They won 10 games doing it. Something we have done twice in history.
2022- Dart ran for 128/614 while throwing for 3000 yards.

Mississippi has been above us scoring O the last 2 years. The shit works. They did the same shit under Freezus. They have 2 Sugar Bowls doing the shit. We dont. Why? They recruited better at WR. They didnt have their recruiting coach telling them they would have to learn to block before anything at State like we did with Hevesy

Facts are not on your side

History is on my side.....

Just don't bitch to much in 10 months when your little facade gets shattered.... and please call me out if I'm wrong because I'm gonna bring it up when I'm right....

[Todd4State]

So I asked kb and he went crickets, so I'll ask you, what part of the air raid the last 3 years made you think we didn't need more talent to compete w THAT offense?? I'll hang up and listen

I'll say this as I've said before. If we want to take the next step we have to recruit better. Scheme is secondary to the talent making it work. That goes for Leach and Mullen.

MSU needs to focus a lot more on building up our recruiting and focus less on getting some football genius to outscheme Alabama.

[Todd4State]

Here is what you guys dont seem to grasp:

We can recruit good OL guys that can block
We can recruit good RB's
We can recruit QB's that are athletic

We cant recruit top notch WR's or TE's like what Georgia has. We can recruit good players there but not elite ones
We cant recruit top notch QB's- we dont have that kind of money. We can recruit good ones but not elite ones

Be physical, have good RB's, have an athletic QB that can make throws. Thats how you win 8-9-10 games at Mississippi State. Mullen showed the way- he just didnt recruit well at WR. Recruit a little better at WR with the Mullen blueprint and we are the program we want to be

Leach had two four star QB's on our roster and a third four star QB committed and this year we likely will start three four star receivers- Tulu, Zavion, and Robinson. That doesn't include Dortch or Whittmore who are also four star receivers.

There is nothing to stop us from recruiting four star players at any position except MSU not putting enough into it as a program. Which has been the actual problem all along. You can not tell me that Ole Miss and USM can find receivers but we can't.

Fewer excuses now with the NCAA as toothless as ever and NIL in play. Which was not the case in the past. At least because we would penalize ourselves.

[Coach34]

History is on my side.....

How did we do in 1979 with Dave Marler at QB when we threw it alot? 3-8
How did we do in 1988 with Tony Shell slinging it? 1-10
How did we do with Derrick Taite slinging it in 1995? 3-8
How about Kevin Fant 2002? 3-9
How about Kevin Fant 2003? 2-10

History is nowhere near close to your side

[Todd4State]

How did we do in 1979 with Dave Marler at QB when we threw it alot? 3-8
How did we do in 1988 with Tony Shell slinging it? 1-10
How did we do with Derrick Taite slinging it in 1995? 3-8
How about Kevin Fant 2002? 3-9
How about Kevin Fant 2003? 2-10

History is nowhere near close to your side

1979? LOL.

Derrick Taite won 8 in 1994 and upset Bama in 1996.

Dan's best offense was with Dak when we actually had a deep passing game. Which coincidentally was when Dan won 10 and then 9 the next year. Heck- we won 9 games this year and our offense wasn't even fully at its peak. Not to mention two of the schools biggest comebacks and one of the more memorable wins in MSU history against LSU.

We didn't lose those years because we were passing. Our defense was atrocious most of those years.

[Coach34]

1979? LOL.

Derrick Taite won 8 in 1994 and upset Bama in 1996.

Dan's best offense was with Dak when we actually had a deep passing game. Which coincidentally was when Dan won 10 and then 9 the next year. Heck- we won 9 games this year and our offense wasn't even fully at its peak. Not to mention two of the schools biggest comebacks and one of the more memorable wins in MSU history against LSU.

We didn't lose those years because we were passing. Our defense was atrocious most of those years.

We ran the ball 495 times in 1994- threw it 237...so you lose

2014?

We ran it 578 for 3030 and threw it 423 for 3649...got to run

Whats hilarious is the people spouting "Holloway up the middle" dont realize that we passed more that season than ran in 2015. 500 passes to 427 runs.

[Coach34]

We didn't lose those years because we were passing. Our defense was atrocious most of those years.

Oh wow- so you admit the offense and its philosophy isnt the only thing that affects wins and losses?

[Homedawg]

More talent that we currently have or talent on par with the top 5 or 6 teams in the SEC? Because we need more than we currently have in the skill positions but if we can get that we'll fare better against the top of the league than trying to go toe to toe with them in the run game.

Wow more talent. That's a Novel concept. Why didn't we have that?

[Todd4State]

We ran the ball 495 times in 1994- threw it 237...so you lose

2014?

We ran it 578 for 3030 and threw it 423 for 3649...got to run

Whats hilarious is the people spouting "Holloway up the middle" dont realize that we passed more that season than ran in 2015. 500 passes to 427 runs.

Yeah. So we were still run heavy at that time.

I mean we won 9 games in 2015 even if we weren't maximizing our personnel which kind of proves my point.

[Cooterpoot]

We don't have a single improvement lined up at QB in the portal. Preferred walk-on isn't good. Wright isn't great and he's not coming. You can pretty much forget a quality portal QB until next year and got to hope for depth after spring.

[Todd4State]

Oh wow- so you admit the offense and its philosophy isnt the only thing that affects wins and losses?

Did I ever say that?

I've long been a supporter of getting better players in and upping our recruiting resources. You can't say that we can't win throwing the ball around anymore. Because we have. Just like we've won running the ball. And won with balance. Even Arnett appears to be going to at worst close to 50/50.

In addition to that I've also believed that we need to be strong on offense, defense, and special teams. I've never really been someone who has been hyperfocused on offense. Because it is going to take a well rounded team to reach our ceiling. 2021 is a great example because we were awful on special teams and it cost us 2-3 wins because we couldn't kick a field goal. Otherwise Leach would have and probably should have had two 9 win seasons back to back. It is what it is because it takes all three phases- especially for MSU.

The biggest thing I disagree with you on is the poor ol state mentality that we "can't" recruit certain position groups well. That has been proven false.

[Todd4State]

We don't have a single improvement lined up at QB in the portal. Preferred walk-on isn't good. Wright isn't great and he's not coming. You can pretty much forget a quality portal QB until next year and got to hope for depth after spring.

IF Will leaves after 2023 I would imagine we could find someone in the portal. The reality is most QB's in the portal are in there because they want to play. They're typically not going to go somewhere that they have to compete. And they're certainly not going to go somewhere to wait around for their turn.

Honestly we're probably going to either end up with no one or someone like Luke Altmeyer or a JUCO that is a big MSU fan like a Lovertich or Tyson Lee realistically.

I fully expect Parson to be the back up next year at this point.

[PikeDawg15]

At the end of the day it doesn?t matter what scheme you run

Like Kirby smart says , it?s not about the x?s and the O?s it?s about the jimmy and the joes.

I?ve heard Zach Arnette say this multiple times at press conferences before so our own coach understands it.

Arnette recruits very well on his side of the ball, we have some really good talent on the defensive side that we bring in every single year but we can never manage to do that with the offense

If we want to consistently compete most years in the SEC we are going to have to get our money up well above what it is.

Our NIL will have to be multiplied by 4 or 5x what it is currently

An elite Quarterback can take 6-6 team and take them to a NY6 bowl

It happens all the time.

The most exciting thing about Arnette is I fully believe that as long as he is here, the defense will always be a top 5 or right near top 5 sec defense year in and year out.

if we could get a good offense to go along with an Arnette defense, we would make noise around the country.

If a Dak Prescott state team had an Arnette defense they would have won the SEC

I hate that I bash on the guy so much but until I am proven otherwise, Will Rogers limits this team.

I remember the stupid arguments people made in 2021 that will rogers was better than Matt corral.

No way in hell.

Matt corral made a 7-5 team go 10-2

Without him, they lose to Tennessee, LSU, State, Arkansas, hell maybe even vandy.

Lane kiffin knows that jaxson dart is not elite, he is solid but he is not elite so that is why you see them targeting big time transfer qb?s to start over him because that is what every offense requires.

Yes, the air raid would have been much better with a better qb

Gardner minshew on 2021 and 2022 State instead of Will Rogers would have led to back to back 10+ win seasons

Im ok with leaving the air raid and going to a barbay style because I trust coach Arnette and since he is a defensive guy he knows what is toughest to defend.

[PikeDawg15]

And to add to the point about recruiting better at Wide Receiver, I think that is why Arnette brought home Chad Bumphis.

[mo7888]

How did we do in 1979 with Dave Marler at QB when we threw it alot? 3-8
How did we do in 1988 with Tony Shell slinging it? 1-10
How did we do with Derrick Taite slinging it in 1995? 3-8
How about Kevin Fant 2002? 3-9
How about Kevin Fant 2003? 2-10

History is nowhere near close to your side

That's like comparing Bill Russell's era to Shaq's..players were different...schemes were different...it can't be done reasonably..youre grasping at straws now....and history is definitely on my side and it's irrelevant that you don't want to see it...

[mo7888]

Wow more talent. That's a Novel concept. Why didn't we have that?

You're changing course there... we will always need more talent but we were a QB and a WR away from being competitive for the West...much easier to get than the wholesale talent gap we'd need to bridge to compete at the level I'd like to see us competing at...

[Desoto1967]

Watching Whittmore on Youtube makes me think he could be great in the wildcat

[Really Clark?]

That's like comparing Bill Russell's era to Shaq's..players were different...schemes were different...it can't be done reasonably..youre grasping at straws now....and history is definitely on my side and it's irrelevant that you don't want to see it...

History is on the side of Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Georgia, Tenn and Florida. Nobody outside of that group nobody has won the SEC outright since 1963. Kentucky tied with Georgia in 1976. That's the history. We want to get and stay in the second tier for a significant period of time. Everyone wants that. The only team recently to come close was So Car under Spurrier for 4 years. And he changed to accomplish that with the talent he was getting, different than how he did it at Florida. He was running it nearly 60% of the time and would try to hit some big plays. Not saying that we or anyone else from the lower tier has to do it ONLY that way but conversely you can't say it can only be done your way either.

[Todd4State]

History is on the side of Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Georgia, Tenn and Florida. Nobody outside of that group nobody has won the SEC outright since 1963. Kentucky tied with Georgia in 1976. That's the history. We want to get and stay in the second tier for a significant period of time. Everyone wants that. The only team recently to come close was So Car under Spurrier for 4 years. And he changed to accomplish that with the talent he was getting, different than how he did it at Florida. He was running it nearly 60% of the time and would try to hit some big plays. Not saying that we or anyone else from the lower tier has to do it ONLY that way but conversely you can't say it can only be done your way either.

That's kind of crazy that only those six have won the SEC since 1963. A little surprised that Ole Miss didn't win it once in that span in the 1960's. I'm sure they probably claim a title that they tied but didn't really win the tiebreaker knowing them.