OC Hired - App State OC Kevin Barbay

[MrCoachKlein]

Which further reiterates why CZA shouldn't have destroyed the whole offensive scheme and staff.........

So what should he have done given the timeline? Hire a lesser OC that's not ready or underperforms just because they run a similar scheme?

This isn't a normal timeline. Our coach died when we had no AD. CZA did an awesome jobs filling out staff, keeping players and finding an up and coming OC with a proven (yet short) track record that also happens to fit our players (minus the TEs which would've been a problem with any OC)

ETA: he didn't blow up our offensive staff. 2 guys left for OC positions. No one wanted Jr as the OC. We could've promoted hollingshead, but that would be a hell of a reach. He's an up and comer for WKU much less SEC big time. The only coach you can say he ran off that would've been good to keep is Miller and we don't even know the story there

[Commercecomet24]

Here's a novel idea. Maybe just maybe we have an oc that can adapt his offense to the players we have on the roster. Just spitballing here.

[BeardoMSU]

Here's a novel idea. Maybe just maybe we have an oc that can adapt his offense to the players we have on the roster. Just spitballing here.

Seriously. That should always be priority.

[msu15]

Here's a novel idea. Maybe just maybe we have an oc that can adapt his offense to the players we have on the roster. Just spitballing here.

And this guy will definitely do it. I just finished rewatching App State-A&M and this definitely won't be Moorhead 2.0 trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Multiple formations and personnel groups and a wide variety of play calls. Get some TE's from the portal and we'll be ready to roll.

[Commercecomet24]

And this guy will definitely do it. I just finished rewatching App State-A&M and this definitely won't be Moorhead 2.0 trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Multiple formations and personnel groups and a wide variety of play calls. Get some TE's from the portal and we'll be ready to roll.

I've watched a lot of videos on his offenses today too and you're right the guy is extremely diverse and attacks defenses by exploiting their weaknesses whether that be by land or air. I love the diversity he brings. Players should be excited

[MrCoachKlein]

I've watched a lot of videos on his offenses today too and you're right the guy is extremely diverse and attacks defenses by exploiting their weaknesses whether that be by land or air. I love the diversity he brings. Players should be excited

I like that. Always liked how the patriots would throw it 50 times a game against Pitt when they knew they couldn't run. Went full air raid then next week would play a team that couldn't stop the run and do that 40 times.

[Commercecomet24]

I like that. Always liked how the patriots would throw it 50 times a game against Pitt when they knew they couldn't run. Went full air raid then next week would play a team that couldn't stop the run and do that 40 times.

Right, you need an offense that can morph. I'm not saying Barbay is the be all end all but he is very diverse in what he does and that's promising.

[Spiderman]

Half the passes, double the downfield shots. Like the pistol formations also, but that play action ain't gonna fool anyone.

Rogers in that offense ( with zero TE's on the roster by the way) will be worse than Fitz trying to run Moorhead's stuff.

A rebuild when we have so many pieces returning. Looks like 2018 all over again

[Dawsonmsu]

This hire will be a total bust. Our offense will rank in the bottom part of the sec next year. Very vanilla offense. Appalachian State has finished in the top 30 in offense the last 3 years. This guy didn’t do anything special this year. Love arnett though.

[662dawg]

Rogers in that offense ( with zero TE's on the roster by the way) will be worse than Fitz trying to run Moorhead's stuff.

A rebuild when we have so many pieces returning. Looks like 2018 all over again

This is not true. This offense will actually fit Will really well. It doesn't require the QB to run or even be that mobile at all. Granted we all wish Will was way more mobile, he can still run this offense really well.

[Spiderman]

This is not true. This offense will actually fit Will really well. It doesn't require the QB to run or even be that mobile at all. Granted we all wish Will was way more mobile, he can still run this offense really well.

Where are you gonna get 3 SEC quality TE's between now and then?

[ZedFedder]

This hire will be a total bust. Our offense will rank in the bottom part of the sec next year. Very vanilla offense. Appalachian State has finished in the top 30 in offense the last 3 years. This guy didn’t do anything special this year. Love arnett though.

Troll. Go fund Lane’s 9 mil.

[662dawg]

Where are you gonna get 3 SEC quality TE's between now and then?

Portal? Fwiw, 2 of Central Michigan's TE's were similar in size to Antonio Harmon. But who's to say he want just adapt to the current personal as much as possible?

[Saltydog]

So what should he have done given the timeline? Hire a lesser OC that's not ready or underperforms just because they run a similar scheme?

This isn't a normal timeline. Our coach died when we had no AD. CZA did an awesome jobs filling out staff, keeping players and finding an up and coming OC with a proven (yet short) track record that also happens to fit our players (minus the TEs which would've been a problem with any OC)

ETA: he didn't blow up our offensive staff. 2 guys left for OC positions. No one wanted Jr as the OC. We could've promoted hollingshead, but that would be a hell of a reach. He's an up and comer for WKU much less SEC big time. The only coach you can say he ran off that would've been good to keep is Miller and we don't even know the story there

There are a ton of candidates out there that ran some version of the air raid that I'm sure were qualified. Just go look at some of the names mentioned on this board the last few weeks but I'm sure they were all less qualified, rolls eyes. We'll see what transpires and maybe he will adapt but we'll find out in a few weeks I guess.

[MrCoachKlein]

Wills definitely not as mobile in the pocket as the app qb, but he also won't miss on some of throws that qb did. As long as he can throw a deep ball with his feet set we'll be OK. Need 21 Rodgers not 22.

TEs were must with any OC we hired

[Spiderman]

Portal? Fwiw, 2 of Central Michigan's TE's were similar in size to Antonio Harmon. But who's to say he want just adapt to the current personal as much as possible?

He better, but actions speak. He has always seemed to be in the same personal groupings

[662dawg]

Wills definitely not as mobile in the pocket as the app qb, but he also won't miss on some of throws that qb did. As long as he can throw a deep ball with his feet set we'll be OK. Need 21 Rodgers not 22.

TEs were must with any OC we hired

I agree that Will wouldn't have missed some of those passes & I'm not a huge fan of Will 2022 but he's a much better passer than the app QB. A little more mobile than Will but he wasn't exactly Lamar Jackson either ha

[BlackSailsDawg]

So what should he have done given the timeline? Hire a lesser OC that's not ready or underperforms just because they run a similar scheme?

This isn't a normal timeline. Our coach died when we had no AD. CZA did an awesome jobs filling out staff, keeping players and finding an up and coming OC with a proven (yet short) track record that also happens to fit our players (minus the TEs which would've been a problem with any OC)

ETA: he didn't blow up our offensive staff. 2 guys left for OC positions. No one wanted Jr as the OC. We could've promoted hollingshead, but that would be a hell of a reach. He's an up and comer for WKU much less SEC big time. The only coach you can say he ran off that would've been good to keep is Miller and we don't even know the story there

And you think this guy isn't a lesser? Your own words say it. *(yet short)*

Yes. He did let the staff go. It's why they took new positions.

Per App St. This was a fast hire that cost MSU $900K. A total of 18 hours went into an interview and hire at a price tag of $900K

[662dawg]

He better, but actions speak. He has always seemed to be in the same personal groupings

He's got a great track record thus far so we'll see.

[662dawg]

And you think this guy isn't a lesser? Your own words say it. *(yet short)*

Yes. He did let the staff go. It's why they took new positions.

Per App St. This was a fast hire that cost MSU $900K. A total of 18 hours went into an interview and hire at a price tag of $900K

This was not a panic hire. I'm almost sure he was the second OC offered. Sounds like it was a well ran process with several interviews & Barbary really impressed them.