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    Quote Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked View Post
    If we had a different AD than Cohen at the time Vic would still be here.
    If the most common rumor about his departure is true, there are 0 ADs in the Power Five who would have been able to look the other way. Maybe for football, but no one is taking that legal risk for women's basketball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us View Post
    Right... notice that every single one of the schools you mentioned as being a "better program" are also far richer than us? That's my point- money = success, which = the pecking order of which programs are better than others. For example, one of the things that prevents us from winning big is lack of NIL money. Auburn has it in spades, thus they'll win more, and being a DC there is more likely to get a HC job than being a DC here is. But if you take away their booster money they wouldn't recruit better than us and after a decade their perception would be the same as ours.

    So even if you match the salary offer today, the fact the other program is "better" than us is due to our lack of money yesterday.
    I don't understand your logic, to the coach either school paying him X number of dollars is the same to them. Doesn't matter who has the bigger war chest, to the coach it's the same amount either way. It's not about the money it's about the prestige of the program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us View Post
    Right... notice that every single one of the schools you mentioned as being a "better program" are also far richer than us? That's my point- money = success, which = the pecking order of which programs are better than others. For example, one of the things that prevents us from winning big is lack of NIL money. Auburn has it in spades, thus they'll win more, and being a DC there is more likely to get a HC job than being a DC here is. But if you take away their booster money they wouldn't recruit better than us and after a decade their perception would be the same as ours.

    So even if you match the salary offer today, the fact the other program is "better" than us is due to our lack of money yesterday.
    Well, we are never ever ever having as much money as them so....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quaoarsking View Post
    If the most common rumor about his departure is true, there are 0 ADs in the Power Five who would have been able to look the other way. Maybe for football, but no one is taking that legal risk for women's basketball.
    Texas certainly did.
    What was the rumor. He's gone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Really Clark? View Post
    It's not about the money it's about the prestige of the program.
    Please read my comment. "prestige" is downstream of money, because money is closely tied to winning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homedawg View Post
    Well, we are never ever ever having as much money as them so....
    Correct. We will never be able to recruit on a top 15 level, thus we will never be able to win it all and only occasionally be able to compete at a top 10 level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quaoarsking View Post
    If the most common rumor about his departure is true, there are 0 ADs in the Power Five who would have been able to look the other way. Maybe for football, but no one is taking that legal risk for women's basketball.
    The most common rumor is not true.

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    Who are our biggest boosters, I legit do not know

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLostDawg View Post
    Texas certainly did.
    What was the rumor. He's gone
    Daughter who was an asst coach at time was too close with a player

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us View Post
    Please read my comment. "prestige" is downstream of money, because money is closely tied to winning.
    The money we are discussing is the coaches salary. A Million dollars is a million dollars regardless of who is paying.

    I understand what you are saying and of course the more prestigious also have larger war chests. A lot of that is because of generation upon generation upon generation of supporting winning programs. We don't have 80 - 100 years worth of football winning history that developed a prestigious program with large donors wanting support the program. But we have a large enough pool of money to match what other schools will offer a coach for his salary. That's not really the issue with us as a program anymore.

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    State has big boosters. They donate a lot of money. The donations go to education. For example, the Swalm chemical building cost millions and was donated by Dave Swalm..an engineer. OTOH, lawyers and doctors may also fund education, but they have more discretionary income and they donate to athletic programs as well. By the way, all graduates from those schools are not doctors and lawyers, but there are enough of them to fund athletics because they need all the tax breaks they can get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homedawg View Post
    AGAIN, we didn't lose him bc of money. We lost him bc it's a better job!!!! Omg
    He damn near doubled his salary... I get that Texas is considered a better job but don't act like money had nothing to do with it... OMG **

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    Nope. Discussed on page 1 already.
    Didn't see the discussion before I posted that
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    Quote Originally Posted by was21 View Post
    State has big boosters. They donate a lot of money. The donations go to education. For example, the Swalm chemical building cost millions and was donated by Dave Swalm..an engineer. OTOH, lawyers and doctors may also fund education, but they have more discretionary income and they donate to athletic programs as well. By the way, all graduates from those schools are not doctors and lawyers, but there are enough of them to fund athletics because they need all the tax breaks they can get.
    Weren't athletic contributions removed as tax deductions a couple or three years ago?

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    [QUOTE=FISHDAWG;1474826]He damn near doubled his salary... I get that Texas is considered a better job but don't act like money had nothing to do with it... OMG **

    We offered to match Texas to keep him. Just like we offered Mullen a matching salary to stay to not go to Florida.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FISHDAWG View Post
    He damn near doubled his salary... I get that Texas is considered a better job but don't act like money had nothing to do with it... OMG **



    Didn't see the discussion before I posted that
    We were gonna match or beat it. He didn't leave BECAUSE of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FISHDAWG View Post
    He damn near doubled his salary... I get that Texas is considered a better job but don't act like money had nothing to do with it... OMG **



    Didn't see the discussion before I posted that
    And we could have quadrupled it and he STILL have left. Damn. I cant spell it out for you. He DIDNT leave for money. Neither time!! Hell to go to Miami he didn't even get a raise.

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    [QUOTE=Really Clark?;1474835]
    Quote Originally Posted by FISHDAWG View Post
    He damn near doubled his salary... I get that Texas is considered a better job but don't act like money had nothing to do with it... OMG **

    We offered to match Texas to keep him. Just like we offered Mullen a matching salary to stay to not go to Florida.
    Some people just don't get it. And clearly I can't help them to understand!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DownwardDawg View Post
    We were gonna match or beat it. He didn't leave BECAUSE of money.
    Correct. Same w Collins. Same w person X. All the same. They left for BETTER jobs. I'm sorry that hurts everyone's feelings. Just reality. And obviously I'm not talking to you. I'm agreeing

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    [QUOTE=Homedawg;1474854]
    Quote Originally Posted by Really Clark? View Post

    Some people just don't get it. And clearly I can't help them to understand!!!
    Didn't huff take a pay cut to get away from Moorhead
    However he was to say he was part of the Saban tree in doing so

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    [QUOTE=TheLostDawg;1474919]
    Quote Originally Posted by Homedawg View Post

    Didn't huff take a pay cut to get away from Moorhead
    However he was to say he was part of the Saban tree in doing so
    No, he got a bump. Then 2 years later became HC for Marshall.

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