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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead View Post
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    That's a much much deeper story and not a fair comparison really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead View Post
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    Another example of not about the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homedawg View Post
    Name the last coach we lost bc of money??? I'll answer, never
    That's a chicken or the egg discussion:

    You're saying we don't loose coaches to money, we only lose them to programs with more success. However, the only reason those programs have more success is because they have more money, and it just so happens that every coach that leaves here gets a big pay bump. Was it the mig pay bump that motivate the move, or the name on the jersey? But again even if it's the name on the jersey, it's still "money" that's the ultimate reason we couldn't keep him because money is what drives prestige

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us View Post
    That's a chicken or the egg discussion:

    You're saying we don't loose coaches to money, we only lose them to programs with more success. However, the only reason those programs have more success is because they have more money, and it just so happens that every coach that leaves here gets a big pay bump. Was it the mig pay bump that motivate the move, or the name on the jersey? But again even if it's the name on the jersey, it's still "money" that's the ultimate reason we couldn't keep him because money is what drives prestige
    So if we offer the same or more and he still leaves for the bigger program, does that still mean he left for more money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DownwardDawg View Post
    So if we offer the same or more and he still leaves for the bigger program, does that still mean he left for more money?
    It means he left for the prestige the jersey gives him. But the jersey only provides prestige because the boosters pay enough to win. So from a short term standpoint? If we match an offer and the coach leaves, it wasn't about money. From a big picture view? Yes, its about us being poor. If we had OSU money we'd be prestigious enough to where coaches would stay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msu15 View Post
    You sure we didn't lose Diaz to Texas because of money after 2010?
    Nope. He went to UT because it was a better job. Did he get paid more? Yes. Has the pay been the same he was gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Really Clark? View Post
    So bothered he came back
    When he didn't have a job. Is this hard to figure. Then left for another better job. Good grief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead View Post
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    Another that didn't leave bc of money. Y'all keep coming w wrong answers and I'll keep shooting them down

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homedawg View Post
    When he didn't have a job. Is this hard to figure. Then left for another better job. Good grief.
    He did have job it was just LA Tech though. But if the environment was so bad here he could have chosen to not come. Fans have made a lot more out of sideline coach chewing than it really is. Now Mullen and Collins at the end got pretty heated and personal. But not with Diaz

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us View Post
    That's a chicken or the egg discussion:

    You're saying we don't loose coaches to money, we only lose them to programs with more success. However, the only reason those programs have more success is because they have more money, and it just so happens that every coach that leaves here gets a big pay bump. Was it the mig pay bump that motivate the move, or the name on the jersey? But again even if it's the name on the jersey, it's still "money" that's the ultimate reason we couldn't keep him because money is what drives prestige
    We matched offers in several cases. They left. You can chicken or egg all you want, they left for better jobs. Collins to Fla. Mullen to Florida. Diaz to Texas, Diaz to miami. Shaeffer to ut do I need to keep going???? Sticklin to Fla. cohen to auburn. Smdh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Really Clark? View Post
    He did have job it was just LA Tech though. But if the environment was so bad here he could have chosen to not come. Fans have made a lot more out of sideline coach chewing than it really is. Now Mullen and Collins at the end got pretty heated and personal. But not with Diaz
    Correct. And msu better job than lf tech. Thisbisnt complicated. Some choose to make it so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homedawg View Post
    Name the last coach we lost bc of money??? I'll answer, never
    Lost Manny Diaz to Texas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homedawg View Post
    Correct. And msu better job than lf tech. Thisbisnt complicated. Some choose to make it so.
    Agreed. And he made the right decision to go to Miami too. It was home, more traditional prestige and he parlayed that into a short HC career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FISHDAWG View Post
    Lost Manny Diaz to Texas
    We didn't lose him because of money. Texas was only 2 years removed from playing in the national title game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FISHDAWG View Post
    Lost Manny Diaz to Texas
    AGAIN, we didn't lose him bc of money. We lost him bc it's a better job!!!! Omg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homedawg View Post
    Another that didn't leave bc of money. Y'all keep coming w wrong answers and I'll keep shooting them down
    Cohen lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowbell View Post
    Cohen lol
    We helped Cohen pack and rented the moving truck for him

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    Quote Originally Posted by FISHDAWG View Post
    Lost Manny Diaz to Texas
    Nope. Discussed on page 1 already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homedawg View Post
    Nope. He went to UT because it was a better job. Did he get paid more? Yes. Has the pay been the same he was gone.
    If we had a different AD than Cohen at the time Vic would still be here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homedawg View Post
    We matched offers in several cases. They left. You can chicken or egg all you want, they left for better jobs. Collins to Fla. Mullen to Florida. Diaz to Texas, Diaz to miami. Shaeffer to ut do I need to keep going???? Sticklin to Fla. cohen to auburn. Smdh.
    Right... notice that every single one of the schools you mentioned as being a "better program" are also far richer than us? That's my point- money = success, which = the pecking order of which programs are better than others. For example, one of the things that prevents us from winning big is lack of NIL money. Auburn has it in spades, thus they'll win more, and being a DC there is more likely to get a HC job than being a DC here is. But if you take away their booster money they wouldn't recruit better than us and after a decade their perception would be the same as ours.

    So even if you match the salary offer today, the fact the other program is "better" than us is due to our lack of money yesterday.

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