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Originally Posted by
Lord McBuckethead
Vic Shaffer
That's a much much deeper story and not a fair comparison really.
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Originally Posted by
Lord McBuckethead
Vic Shaffer
Another example of not about the money.
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Originally Posted by
Homedawg
Name the last coach we lost bc of money??? I'll answer, never
That's a chicken or the egg discussion:
You're saying we don't loose coaches to money, we only lose them to programs with more success. However, the only reason those programs have more success is because they have more money, and it just so happens that every coach that leaves here gets a big pay bump. Was it the mig pay bump that motivate the move, or the name on the jersey? But again even if it's the name on the jersey, it's still "money" that's the ultimate reason we couldn't keep him because money is what drives prestige
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Originally Posted by
the_real_MSU_is_us
That's a chicken or the egg discussion:
You're saying we don't loose coaches to money, we only lose them to programs with more success. However, the only reason those programs have more success is because they have more money, and it just so happens that every coach that leaves here gets a big pay bump. Was it the mig pay bump that motivate the move, or the name on the jersey? But again even if it's the name on the jersey, it's still "money" that's the ultimate reason we couldn't keep him because money is what drives prestige
So if we offer the same or more and he still leaves for the bigger program, does that still mean he left for more money?
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Originally Posted by
DownwardDawg
So if we offer the same or more and he still leaves for the bigger program, does that still mean he left for more money?
It means he left for the prestige the jersey gives him. But the jersey only provides prestige because the boosters pay enough to win. So from a short term standpoint? If we match an offer and the coach leaves, it wasn't about money. From a big picture view? Yes, its about us being poor. If we had OSU money we'd be prestigious enough to where coaches would stay.
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Originally Posted by
msu15
You sure we didn't lose Diaz to Texas because of money after 2010?
Nope. He went to UT because it was a better job. Did he get paid more? Yes. Has the pay been the same he was gone.
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Originally Posted by
Really Clark?
So bothered he came back
When he didn't have a job. Is this hard to figure. Then left for another better job. Good grief.
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Originally Posted by
Lord McBuckethead
Vic Shaffer
Another that didn't leave bc of money. Y'all keep coming w wrong answers and I'll keep shooting them down
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Originally Posted by
Homedawg
When he didn't have a job. Is this hard to figure. Then left for another better job. Good grief.
He did have job it was just LA Tech though. But if the environment was so bad here he could have chosen to not come. Fans have made a lot more out of sideline coach chewing than it really is. Now Mullen and Collins at the end got pretty heated and personal. But not with Diaz
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Originally Posted by
the_real_MSU_is_us
That's a chicken or the egg discussion:
You're saying we don't loose coaches to money, we only lose them to programs with more success. However, the only reason those programs have more success is because they have more money, and it just so happens that every coach that leaves here gets a big pay bump. Was it the mig pay bump that motivate the move, or the name on the jersey? But again even if it's the name on the jersey, it's still "money" that's the ultimate reason we couldn't keep him because money is what drives prestige
We matched offers in several cases. They left. You can chicken or egg all you want, they left for better jobs. Collins to Fla. Mullen to Florida. Diaz to Texas, Diaz to miami. Shaeffer to ut do I need to keep going???? Sticklin to Fla. cohen to auburn. Smdh.
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Originally Posted by
Really Clark?
He did have job it was just LA Tech though. But if the environment was so bad here he could have chosen to not come. Fans have made a lot more out of sideline coach chewing than it really is. Now Mullen and Collins at the end got pretty heated and personal. But not with Diaz
Correct. And msu better job than lf tech. Thisbisnt complicated. Some choose to make it so.
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Originally Posted by
Homedawg
Name the last coach we lost bc of money??? I'll answer, never
Lost Manny Diaz to Texas
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Originally Posted by
Homedawg
Correct. And msu better job than lf tech. Thisbisnt complicated. Some choose to make it so.
Agreed. And he made the right decision to go to Miami too. It was home, more traditional prestige and he parlayed that into a short HC career.
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Originally Posted by
FISHDAWG
Lost Manny Diaz to Texas
We didn't lose him because of money. Texas was only 2 years removed from playing in the national title game.
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Originally Posted by
FISHDAWG
Lost Manny Diaz to Texas
AGAIN, we didn't lose him bc of money. We lost him bc it's a better job!!!! Omg
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Originally Posted by
Homedawg
Another that didn't leave bc of money. Y'all keep coming w wrong answers and I'll keep shooting them down
Cohen lol
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Originally Posted by
Cowbell
Cohen lol
We helped Cohen pack and rented the moving truck for him
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Originally Posted by
FISHDAWG
Lost Manny Diaz to Texas
Nope. Discussed on page 1 already.
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Originally Posted by
Homedawg
Nope. He went to UT because it was a better job. Did he get paid more? Yes. Has the pay been the same he was gone.
If we had a different AD than Cohen at the time Vic would still be here.
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Originally Posted by
Homedawg
We matched offers in several cases. They left. You can chicken or egg all you want, they left for better jobs. Collins to Fla. Mullen to Florida. Diaz to Texas, Diaz to miami. Shaeffer to ut do I need to keep going???? Sticklin to Fla. cohen to auburn. Smdh.
Right... notice that every single one of the schools you mentioned as being a "better program" are also far richer than us? That's my point- money = success, which = the pecking order of which programs are better than others. For example, one of the things that prevents us from winning big is lack of NIL money. Auburn has it in spades, thus they'll win more, and being a DC there is more likely to get a HC job than being a DC here is. But if you take away their booster money they wouldn't recruit better than us and after a decade their perception would be the same as ours.
So even if you match the salary offer today, the fact the other program is "better" than us is due to our lack of money yesterday.
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