Sawyer Robertson time

[Turfdawg67]

If he wins this week, he'd actually be 1 game better, but...

Losses by years (ranks are bcs, last playoff, and current ap)...

2009: #1 UF, #2 bama, #9 lsu , NR ark and auburn

2010: #4 auburn, #6 lsu, #8 bama, #23 ark

2011: #1 lsu, #2 bama, #9 ark, #20 auburn, #14 SC, NR Georgia

2020*: #1 bama, #5 aTm, NR ark, NR KY, NR OM, NR Kentucky

2021: #1 bama, #8 OM, NR ark, NR lsu

2022: #1 Georgia, #6 lsu, #8 bama, NR Kentucky

*since we excluded Georgia for this comparison, I removed #8 Georgia

Dan lost 3 sec games to unranked opponents in 1st 3 years. Leach has lost to 7 so far

Now do wins... 1st 3 years the teams Mullen beat were collectively 105-180 (.368) or close to that. So he played a tough schedule, so will every MSU coach. Some of those 8-9 win seasons were against totally sh*t opponents.

[msstate7]

Also I'm pretty sure 2011 Georgia and 2021 Arkansas both finished ranked, right?

I used this for 2011

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011...tball_rankings

2021

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb...021-polls.html

[Goldendawg]

I used this for 2011

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011...tball_rankings

2021

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb...021-polls.html

Just retired from teaching 7th/8th Social Studies (3rd and last career). Even the students say, "Don't Use Wikipedia!" **** Hail State!

[Turfdawg67]

Also I'm pretty sure 2011 Georgia and 2021 Arkansas both finished ranked, right?

I thought it was 2010 when we played UGA, and that was the last time they had a losing record. Maybe it was 2011... either way, they weren't ranked.

[Turfdawg67]

Anticipation as MS7 tallies the stats...

[Really Clark?]

I thought it was 2010 when we played UGA, and that was the last time they had a losing record. Maybe it was 2011... either way, they weren't ranked.

We played Georgia in 2010 and 2011. The 2010 team finished 6-7 after the bowl loss. The 2011 team finished the year ranked 19th

[Turfdawg67]

We played Georgia in 2010 and 2011. The 2010 team finished 6-7 after the bowl loss. The 2011 team finished the year ranked 19th

Gotcha.

Again Clark, I'm glad you are still putting up the good fight. You and I and a handful of ppl on this board were the only ones defending Mullen at times. I'm very guilty of defending our current coaches because... I want to believe!! Lol. That said, looking back and watching old games, blah... A few games we'd look unstoppable and then totally inept, much like Leach.

[msstate7]

Now do wins... 1st 3 years the teams Mullen beat were collectively 105-180 (.368) or close to that. So he played a tough schedule, so will every MSU coach. Some of those 8-9 win seasons were against totally sh*t opponents.

I don't feel like going and getting records of sec teams we beat between 2009-2011 and 2020-2022. Perhaps someone will help me out. We're only comparing sec records though, so OOC isn't necessary

[Turfdawg67]

I don't feel like going and getting records of sec teams we beat between 2009-2011 and 2020-2022. Perhaps someone will help me out. We're only comparing sec records though, so OOC isn't necessary

Riiiiiiiight... YOU have no time for stats or an argument. LOLZ!! Or maybe the stats didn't aide your defense?? Here, I'll help you out... Mullen won 10 SEC games in his first three years and exactly one had a winning record! That was an 8-5 UF team in 2010.

[msstate7]

Riiiiiiiight... YOU have no time for stats or an argument. LOLZ!! Or maybe the stats didn't aide your defense?? Here, I'll help you out... Mullen won 10 SEC games in his first three years and exactly one had a winning record! That was an 8-5 UF team in 2009.

By my quick look, leach has only beat 1 sec team with a winning record in 3 years also, Kentucky last year

ETA... not sure if you talking about sec winning records or overall.

[Really Clark?]

Riiiiiiiight... YOU have no time for stats or an argument. LOLZ!! Or maybe the stats didn't aide your defense?? Here, I'll help you out... Mullen won 10 SEC games in his first three years and exactly one had a winning record! That was an 8-5 UF team in 2009.

That Florida win was in 2010. In 2009 we beat both Kentucky and UM (ranked) with winning records.

I wonder what our record this year would be like if it mirrored Dan's 3rd in 2011. If Will missed as much time and was as hurt as much as Chris Relf was in 2011.

[Really Clark?]

By my quick look, leach has only beat 1 sec team with a winning record in 3 years also, Kentucky last year

Dan had 3 wins vs SEC teams with winning records his first 3 years.

[Turfdawg67]

By my quick look, leach has only beat 1 sec team with a winning record in 3 years also, Kentucky last year

ETA... not sure if you talking about sec winning records or overall.

I'm saying THEY (DM & ML) are basically the same... as I have from the start. That's all.

[LC Dawg]

I think the eye test (based on my memory which definitely isn't perfect) shows that 3rd year Mullen is a little better than 3rd year Leach but I just don't think you can make a fair comparison on paper because the Covid year (Spring practice and the season) was so different than any other year in college football.

[Turfdawg67]

Dan had 3 wins vs SEC teams with winning records his first 3 years.

Went by my original post a few days ago, but you are correct... 7-6 UK and a 9-4 OM (crazy how the wheels came off that Nutt program after that).

So they both have 3 wins, against SEC teams with winning records, in their first 3 years. And Leach has one more chance to break the tie!! Hope you two are rooting for him to do just so!

ETA: I know both of you are pulling for Leach on Thursday.

[Turfdawg67]

I think the eye test (based on my memory which definitely isn't perfect) shows that 3rd year Mullen is a little better than 3rd year Leach but I just don't think you can make a fair comparison on paper because the Covid year (Spring practice and the season) was so different than any other year in college football.

I agree for the most part, and then came South Alabama in what, year 6? Remember that smirk at the end of the game? Everyone on here lost their ever freaking minds! I defended ole Dan saying he was basically in shock that he'd just lost to that team. And I still believe that, shocked and embarrassed.

[Quaoarsking]

Ultimately there's no need to have a big Mullen vs. Leach argument since they're both very solid coaches who've set a new baseline expectation for Mississippi State, winning at a level that most coaches out there wouldn't be able to do.

[duncflydawg]

I think that we have hit our ceiling without a slight upgrade in recruiting talent.

Also anytime I start to think about Mullen with maroon colored glasses, I think about Holloway being sent up the middle. Awesome running back but didn?t need to be running the ball between the tackles!