So we have two choices....

[Goldendawg]

I'd hire Mullen today when the transfer portal to assist him. He wouldn't have to recruit near as hard.

Several big name programs could be looking for HC at year's end. Just how high is he on AU's list or those to come? He would be Polk 2.0 for us, Country Club staff, still hates recruiting, still draws up in big games, etc.

[msstate7]

Several big name programs could be looking for HC at year's end. Just how high is he on AU's list or those to come? He would be Polk 2.0 for us, Country Club staff, still hates recruiting, still draws up in big games, etc.

Or he could be Mack brown at UNC

[Homedawg]

Dude Dan couldn?t win at Fla. just admit your hate for Leach agenda

Dan went to 3 ny6 bowls at Fla.

[TrapGame]

Several big name programs could be looking for HC at year's end. Just how high is he on AU's list or those to come? He would be Polk 2.0 for us, Country Club staff, still hates recruiting, still draws up in big games, etc.

Really Mullen is no different than Leach. He just runs the ball while Leach throws it. Mullen is a 7-5/8-4 coach here just like Leach. If our new AD is okay with hiring back the cheating ex-wife then we hired a dud as AD. As I've said before, if we move on from Leach actually go after a damn good coach.

[Really Clark?]

Vs. Ranked Opponents through year 3:

Mullen: 2-12 (.143)
Leach: 6-8 (.429)

That's incorrect, unless you are not going by final rankings. Leach has 3 wins vs ranked teams with them being #20 NC State, #18 Kentucky and #22 Tulsa..3-9 so far. Of those losses under Mullen time, 9 of those teams finished Top 10 and 11 finished Top 15. Heck our only losses in 2010 were to the SEC West who finished 1, 8, 10, 12. 2011 4 losses against 1, 2, 5 and 9. The strength of those teams in 2010 and 2011 was unprecedented historically speaking.

[Quaoarsking]

if we move on from Leach actually go after a damn good coach.

And if someone can name a coach we could hire would who we can expect to win more than Mullen/Leach, please do so.

The only one I can think of it is maybe Mike Gundy, but other schools have tried to hire him away from Oklahoma State and failed. Anyone else is a huge risk.

[CadaverDawg]

If this was 2005, Leach would be a great hire. But it's 2022, and people have taken his air raid and made it into what Heupel runs at Tennessee. Tennessee is playing the PS5 video game on a flat screen, and we're playing Nintendo on a tube tv.

We need an energy injection.

[CadaverDawg]

Dan went to 3 ny6 bowls at Fla.

You and your bloody facts

[Turfdawg67]

That's incorrect, unless you are not going by final rankings. Leach has 3 wins vs ranked teams with them being #20 NC State, #18 Kentucky and #22 Tulsa..3-9 so far. Of those losses under Mullen time, 9 of those teams finished Top 10 and 11 finished Top 15. Heck our only losses in 2010 were to the SEC West who finished 1, 8, 10, 12. 2011 4 losses against 1, 2, 5 and 9. The strength of those teams in 2010 and 2011 was unprecedented historically speaking.

Yes, ranking at the time we played them. Please use that logic with our historic 2014 year when we beat 3 top 10 teams in a row. 2 of the 3 didn't finish ranked and Auburn finished #22. Look, I used to defend Mullen with you (against some of these same ppl) but when you pull back the layers, there ain't much there to garner these visions of grandeur. He beat most teams he should've and lost to most teams that were good. He was set up to win 6 minimum... luckily he had Vandy, UK, UT, UGA when they were terrible. He also got 0-8 OM, Arky and Auburn teams

[Quaoarsking]

If this was 2005, Leach would be a great hire. But it's 2022, and people have taken his air raid and made it into what Heupel runs at Tennessee. Tennessee is playing the PS5 video game on a flat screen, and we're playing Nintendo on a tube tv.

We need an energy injection.

If Heupel coached our talent level and Leach coached his talent level, you'd see the opposite. We need to step up recruiting.

Also, we punch well above our weight influence with Keenum, and multiple ADs as well as Sankey having sympathies toward us. We need to be lobby for more equitable NIL rules that smooth out the talent more.

[msstate7]

Our fanbase is so weird. It's somehow you have to like leach and hate mullen or vice versa. I don't hate leach bc of mullen... I hate leach bc I absolutely detest watching this type of football.

[Turfdawg67]

I hate this offense against good teams that shut it down and I hated Mullen's when good teams would shut it down. Those Sundays were just like these except it was "our receivers are sh*t", "holloway up the middle" and "check down Charlie". Mullen gets a pass because we were coming off Jackie's late career debacle and Croom's whole tenure.

[sandjunky]

I hate this offense against good teams that shut it down and I hated Mullen's when good teams would shut it down. Those Sundays were just like these except it was "our receivers are sh*t", "holloway up the middle" and "check down Charlie". Mullen gets a pass because we were coming off Jackie's late career debacle and Croom's whole tenure.

Think how crappy this would be if not for Mullen digging state out of the crater it was in

[CadaverDawg]

If Heupel coached our talent level and Leach coached his talent level, you'd see the opposite. We need to step up recruiting.

Also, we punch well above our weight influence with Keenum, and multiple ADs as well as Sankey having sympathies toward us. We need to be lobby for more equitable NIL rules that smooth out the talent more.

Think it's easier for Heupel to recruit when you see his offense versus ours? Yes we have to recruit, but we have to show something to recruit to

[CadaverDawg]

Our fanbase is so weird. It's somehow you have to like leach and hate mullen or vice versa. I don't hate leach bc of mullen... I hate leach bc I absolutely detest watching this type of football.

Exactly

[CoachT14]

I don't think that is the national perception of our program, nor is that borne out by statistics. For example, we are still 8th in the FPI in the SEC since Mullen left (ahead of Ole Miss and Tennessee), just like we were in the second half of his run here.

Our program is not in any way, shape or form tangibly better than Ole Miss or Tennessee right now.

[CoachT14]

Really Mullen is no different than Leach. He just runs the ball while Leach throws it. Mullen is a 7-5/8-4 coach here just like Leach. If our new AD is okay with hiring back the cheating ex-wife then we hired a dud as AD. As I've said before, if we move on from Leach actually go after a damn good coach.

Call me when Leach actually wins 8 games.

[bulldawg28]

Call me when Leach actually wins 8 games.

Case solved

[msu15]

Our fanbase is so weird. It's somehow you have to like leach and hate mullen or vice versa. I don't hate leach bc of mullen... I hate leach bc I absolutely detest watching this type of football.

Yep. People like Qua and Whiskey are so hell bent on defending Leach that they lack all logic and reason and refuse to see any other points of view. Nobody wants to see us lose, nobody wants to see Leach fail at MSU, but you can't tell them that. Says a lot about them.

[Quaoarsking]

Yep. People like Qua and Whiskey are so hell bent on defending Leach that they lack all logic and reason and refuse to see any other points of view. Nobody wants to see us lose, nobody wants to see Leach fail at MSU, but you can't tell them that. Says a lot about them.

You're the guy who thinks that "record against Ole Miss without any regard to how good those Ole Miss teams are" is the primary thing that matters in evaluating a coach, and you're saying I lack logic?? Give me a break!