Leach

[confucius say]

So, we are going to be bitching in '24 about why isn't Parson starting.

Robertson was much higher rated than Parson. If you believe in recruiting rankings.

[TrapGame]

KJ Costello was a 5 Star ... 5th year Senior and set an SEC record for passing yardage in a single game against the defending National Champions ... yet Will replaced him. Sawyer or Parson's time is coming if they can stay patient ... Problem is we see what we think CAN BE as opposed to what we have now. Hey, I'm also excited about what can be with a more mobil QB but until we get to that point I'm kinda glad we have Will to fall back on .... I was pissed when Leach let Schrader transfer .... In the words of the immortal Tom Petty .... "the waiting is the hardest part"

Understood, however, the guy under Will who is the higher rated QB is not anywhere close to competing with Will, who also has his own shortcomings. Again, that gulf between them after Sawyer has been here two years is concerning. If Will is just a placeholder for someone Leach is very high on and that guy can't even hold Will's jock right now, that's concerning.

[FISHDAWG]

Understood, however, the guy under Will who is the higher rated QB is not anywhere close to competing with Will, who also has his own shortcomings. Again, that gulf between them after Sawyer has been here two years is concerning. If Will is just a placeholder for someone Leach is very high on and that guy can't even hold Will's jock right now, that's concerning.

yeah I agree it's concerning but game time and practice time are two different things and what bothers me the most is Sawyer not getting any game time / experience .... not even when we should have taken Will out of the game with a big lead .... That makes me think the gap between them is much wider than we are thinking ... my point is for now let's be glad Will is here because Sawyer may not be the answer we are all hoping for.

[TrapGame]

yeah I agree it's concerning but game time and practice time are two different things and what bothers me the most is Sawyer not getting any game time / experience .... not even when we should have taken Will out of the game with a big lead .... That makes me think the gap between them is much wider than we are thinking ... my point is for now let's be glad Will is here because Sawyer may not be the answer we are all hoping for.

What really concerns me is Auburn was loading the box Saturday night. They weren't dropping 8 and rushing 3. There was a lot of man coverage. Will still went 6/24 in that span. He couldn't hit a 50/50 to a WR. The Air Raid is supposed to chew man coverage up like a lion with a raw steak. Now that's concerning in year 3.

[TNDawg35]

What really concerns me is Auburn was loading the box Saturday night. They weren't dropping 8 and rushing 3. There was a lot of man coverage. Will still went 6/24 in that span. He couldn't hit a 50/50 to a WR. The Air Raid is supposed to chew man coverage up like a lion with a raw steak. Now that's concerning in year 3.

It is all on Will. Look at the interception he threw. The WR was wide open and he over shot him. Then to be honest, on our drive to tie it with 3 field goals, Will should have been picked, but the DB feel down. I mean he literally threw it right to him. Another one, the last possession our last play before the field goal try, we ran a wheel route. Will missed HORRIBLY. I mean he was like 10 yards ahead of the RB.

Will has been jykle or Hyde. He will play lights out, then completely disappear. When the offense sputters, it’s Will. I don’t know if he gets complacent or scared or what his problem is. He seems to check to runs when he should throw, then he checks to passes when he should clearly run.

[Maverick91]

What really concerns me is Auburn was loading the box Saturday night. They weren't dropping 8 and rushing 3. There was a lot of man coverage. Will still went 6/24 in that span. He couldn't hit a 50/50 to a WR. The Air Raid is supposed to chew man coverage up like a lion with a raw steak. Now that's concerning in year 3.

You are confusing the QBs inability to read a defense with the system that defeats the defense. Will has proven time and again that he is slow to that process. Its not the system it’s the QB currently.

[TrapGame]

It is all on Will. Look at the interception he threw. The WR was wide open and he over shot him. Then to be honest, on our drive to tie it with 3 field goals, Will should have been picked, but the DB feel down. I mean he literally threw it right to him. Another one, the last possession our last play before the field goal try, we ran a wheel route. Will missed HORRIBLY. I mean he was like 10 yards ahead of the RB.

Will has been jykle or Hyde. He will play lights out, then completely disappear. When the offense sputters, it’s Will. I don’t know if he gets complacent or scared or what his problem is. He seems to check to runs when he should throw, then he checks to passes when he should clearly run.

You are confusing the QBs inability to read a defense with the system that defeats the defense. Will has proven time and again that he is slow to that process. Its not the system it’s the QB currently.

Exactly. Will is more of a hindrance to the offense at this point. When we face a defense with a good rush he sucks his nuts up his ass.

[Vandownbytheriver]

Latest Non-Political Poll - MSU Football Fans:

Maroon Colored Glasses - 20%

Sunshine Pumpers - 20%

Leach Haters - 20%

Wait 'til Next Year types - 20%

Realists - 20%

Final Results to be tabulated Thanksgiving Night! Hail State!

You forgot the 5% who are pissed off and are never happy no matter what or who the coach is and the 5% who'd rather be right and us lose than wrong and us win. That last group is rather prevalent these days. I'd give them 10% of the "Wait til Next Year" group.

[Jarius]

We are currently on track to have the 3rd best offense in our school’s history (ppg wise) with one of the nation’s toughest schedules. The only offenses that scored more points than this one are the 2014 and 2015 teams, and we still play an FCS school and a bad ole miss defense which will likely make that PPG go up and possibly Surpass the 15 team. The reason people are down on Mike Leach is because Ole Miss has an exceptional head coach, not just a good head coach like we have. They look at them and say we should be as good or better no matter what. I am not saying that is the wrong attitude to have. A rising tide lifts all boats. That being said, some perspective is needed.

[yjnkdawg]

Well if he insists on riding this horse he either does not care about wins or he simply is misguided in his thinking. Either way another season of 6-7 wins, some passing records, a fourth Egg Bowl loss and a substandard bowl game is unacceptable. We are being asked to contribute more money and potentially be faced with the same results. The new AD needs to assess Leach?s strategy for the position and then pull the cord if necessary. We need a more versatile QB. Just get it the 17 done.

Is the new AD going to pay off CML's buyout before after pulling the cord? Asking for a friend. AD can tell a coach what he expects, goals, etc. from the football program and evaluate and assess but an AD does not make player calls or tell the coach who to play.

[HancockCountyDog]

We are currently on track to have the 3rd best offense in our school’s history (ppg wise) with one of the nation’s toughest schedules. The only offenses that scored more points than this one are the 2014 and 2015 teams, and we still play an FCS school and a bad ole miss defense which will likely make that PPG go up and possibly Surpass the 15 team. The reason people are down on Mike Leach is because Ole Miss has an exceptional head coach, not just a good head coach like we have. They look at them and say we should be as good or better no matter what. I am not saying that is the wrong attitude to have. A rising tide lifts all boats. That being said, some perspective is needed.

My frustration right now has everything to do with the fact that in eleven straight drives against AU, we scored 7 points, after being given the ball on their 25 yard line.

I don't give a sh!t about the bears. We hired an offensive HC, our offense is not getting it done consistently. Anything else is just noise.

[Jarius]

My frustration right now has everything to do with the fact that in eleven straight drives against AU, we scored 7 points, after being given the ball on their 25 yard line.

I don't give a sh!t about the bears. We hired an offensive HC, our offense is not getting it done consistently. Anything else is just noise.

I definitely understand being upset with our Auburn performance, but my comment is on the offense as a whole. It’s the 3rd best in our history. If you want to be upset with that type of production then go ahead. I’m not going to stop you. Hell I cuss Mike leach out at least 5 times a game. Putting what we are doing in perspective though, it’s not nearly as bad as people on here want everyone to believe. Dan Mullen had 2 offenses that were better than this one in 9 years and he is our standard. He did that with one of the best quarterbacks in the nfl, currently.

[basedog]

We are currently on track to have the 3rd best offense in our school’s history (ppg wise) with one of the nation’s toughest schedules. The only offenses that scored more points than this one are the 2014 and 2015 teams, and we still play an FCS school and a bad ole miss defense which will likely make that PPG go up and possibly Surpass the 15 team. The reason people are down on Mike Leach is because Ole Miss has an exceptional head coach, not just a good head coach like we have. They look at them and say we should be as good or better no matter what. I am not saying that is the wrong attitude to have. A rising tide lifts all boats. That being said, some perspective is needed.

Maybe pre-season was considered one of the toughest schedules, I wouldn't say it was one of the toughest, but we are in the Sec.

[BrunswickDawg]

Offenses stall - its football.
For perspective: Fumble, Punt, Fumble, Missed FG. Punt, Td (started on 50), TD (started on opponent 17), Downs, Punt, Punt, Punt, TD (started on own 45), TD (Started on opponent 44).

That's our drive chart from the '17 MSU (7-3, 3-3) vs. Arkansas (4-6, 1-5), where we spent most of the game behind, finally scoring the go ahead TD with 17 seconds left. That offensive genius had similar issues. I guess most of fans were too busy making up rumors about our QB to notice.

[Lord McBuckethead]

And you know Leach didn't suggest to the entire team to take a flu vaccine. So... you know they didn't. If one person had the flu in the locker room, then 25 of them are going to have it showing symptoms by game time.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I definitely understand being upset with our Auburn performance, but my comment is on the offense as a whole. It’s the 3rd best in our history. If you want to be upset with that type of production then go ahead. I’m not going to stop you. Hell I cuss Mike leach out at least 5 times a game. Putting what we are doing in perspective though, it’s not nearly as bad as people on here want everyone to believe. Dan Mullen had 2 offenses that were better than this one in 9 years and he is our standard. He did that with one of the best quarterbacks in the nfl, currently.

3rd best in our history is complete shit. Sorry, but our history of offensive production is shit. We didn't hire Leach to have a bad offense. We hired him to win games with great offenses. Haven't seen it yet. And in three years we have only played a complete offensive game once. Every other game, we have taken off huge chunk of the game and pissed it away. It has happened every single game this season, even against non-conference teams.

The one game we did play a complete game on offense, Game 1 against LSU. Ever since then..... amateur hour.

[Jarius]

3rd best in our history is complete shit. Sorry, but our history of offensive production is shit. We didn't hire Leach to have a bad offense. We hired him to win games with great offenses. Haven't seen it yet. And in three years we have only played a complete offensive game once. Every other game, we have taken off huge chunk of the game and pissed it away. It has happened every single game this season, even against non-conference teams.

The one game we did play a complete game on offense, Game 1 against LSU. Ever since then..... amateur hour.

What is your opinion of Dan Mullen’s offenses while here, just for reference ?

[Jarius]

And you know Leach didn't suggest to the entire team to take a flu vaccine. So... you know they didn't. If one person had the flu in the locker room, then 25 of them are going to have it showing symptoms by game time.

Good lord man.

[PMDawg]

It's that way with most decent QB's. His problem is he's one dimensional...he can't run or stretch the field vertically. If he could do either then our offense would have alot more room to operate. I really hope we 'rest' him and play Sawyer most of the time in the HC game and get a look at what he can bring....not holding my breath though..

That's another fault of the air raid. No lead is ever safe, so you don't get to see a lot of younger guys get real game reps.

[HancockCountyDog]

What is your opinion of Dan Mullen’s offenses while here, just for reference ?

All I can tell you is that under Mullen I didn't dread 3rd and less than 2 yards.

We could convert third and short under Mullen. Teams are playing faster and offenses are getting the ball more and more, so the stats are inflated, across the board. I just know that on 3rd and 1 I want Mullen making the call and not Leach.

That doesn't mean I want Mullen back, I don't ever really mention him, but since you brought him up - that is what I think.