Next 3 games

[BlackSailsDawg]

Have to figure out a way to go 2-1.

1-2 or God forbid 0-3 and we'll know Leach will never win here.

Win 2 and we can still win 8 games. Win all 3 and we have a shot at 9. Get it done Leach.

Not really. Again, every coach listed here for future has been given 5 plus years to build a program.

[Quaoarsking]

A whole lot of people here and on SPS wanted to fire Mullen after 2013, and it's even worse today. People demand instant results on unrealistic timeframes, and when they do have examples of results, they contrive a reason for why it's actually not good enough.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Good thing Kentucky, Clemson, and Wake Forest fans didn't gave a loser, give-up mindset like this.

Yep. It took Clawson 5 years to build a team that could compete. It took Stoops even longer! Rotating coaches out every 3 years is program killing.

[BlackSailsDawg]

A whole lot of people here and on SPS wanted to fire Mullen after 2013, and it's even worse today. People demand instant results on unrealistic timeframes, and when they do have examples of results, they contrive a reason for why it's actually not good enough.

Yep. And it almost always never works out. Can you imagine where Wake Forrest would be right now had they fired Clawson after year 3?

[PikeDawg15]

So it?s just the system you have worries about? Not his ability to manage the team?

Ill pitch my opinion in here.

At a School like Mississippi State. No matter The system, you will have to have a Mobile QB in your offense unless you are on a team that has 5 star offensive Line like Georgia or another big boy that can block

You can not expect the 3 star right tackle who was recruited by western Kentucky, southern Miss, and tulane to block the 5 star defensive end who was highly recruited by Alabama, Georgia, LSU, and Clemson...

Almost every other middle of the pack Power 5 team knows that and has a mobile QB in their offense. We have a QB that is a statue in the pocket who if 10 yards is free in front of him cant get there and get the 1st down when everyone else has a QB who will and can do that.

Will is not a bad QB but his complete lack of mobility will kill us in the SEC at a program like us.

Will would have 0 Problems if he had 5 star offensive lineman or NFL lineman. You started seeing it during the 2000's with lower tier power 5's using Mobile QB's in their offense to add another element to their offense that the defense will have to account for.

It sucks because I really Like Will Rogers and pray he succeeds its just the fact his Offensive line isn't talented enough to go up against the big boys and he doesn't have the legs to roll out of the pocket.

[PikeDawg15]

Leach wont even have a slightly warm seat if he just kicks ole miss's ass. At the end of the day everyone knows we wouldn't be so hard on Leach if Lane Kiffin didn't just go 10-2 at Ole Miss and we look like the 2nd team in the state..... that's the truth.

Leach hasn't been bad accounting for our programs history its just that lane kiffin got so good so quick at Ole Miss

[BlackSailsDawg]

Leach wont even have a slightly warm seat if he just kicks ole miss's ass. At the end of the day everyone knows we wouldn't be so hard on Leach if Lane Kiffin didn't just go 10-2 at Ole Miss and we look like the 2nd team in the state..... that's the truth.

Leach hasn't been bad accounting for our programs history its just that lane kiffin got so good so quick at Ole Miss

Lane walked into that. Leach walked into a team that Mullen had stopped recruiting in his last 2 years, followed by a guy who allowed players to control the team. There is no comparison to who inherited what and who inherited what they needed for their system. Had we hired Leach at the beginning of this season, it would be more comparable.

[KOdawg1]

Not really. Again, every coach listed here for future has been given 5 plus years to build a program.

Yes really. 3 years is long enough to show what he is.

In todays college football, you can't give a guy 5 years to produce. That's just insane.

[PikeDawg15]

Lane walked into that. Leach walked into a team that Mullen had stopped recruiting in his last 2 years, followed by a guy who allowed players to control the team. There is no comparison to who inherited what and who inherited what they needed for their system. Had we hired Leach at the beginning of this season, it would be more comparable.

State was not in a good position at all but.... You don't think Ole Miss wasn't a Dumpster Fire in 2019???

Ole Miss had just come off all those sanctions and had just went 4-8.

They also had a garbage culture too in the locker room with players hiking legs like dogs to lose football games...

I think it is comparable.

Only difference is Lane Kiffin had Matt Corrall on the roster and a few good wide receivers.

[PikeDawg15]

State was not in a good position at all but.... You don't think Ole Miss wasn't a Dumpster Fire in 2019???

Ole Miss had just come off all those sanctions and had just went 4-8.

They also had a garbage culture too in the locker room with players hiking legs like dogs to lose football games...

I think it is comparable.

Only difference is Lane Kiffin had Matt Corrall on the roster and a few good wide receivers.

And don't get me wrong. We should not be considering firing a coach in his 3rd year after firing one after 2 years.

Im just saying that Lane Kiffin is a great coach.

[DownwardDawg]

Good thing Kentucky, Clemson, and Wake Forest fans didn't gave a loser, give-up mindset like this.

So watching the game and pulling hard for my team is a loser and give up mindset? Man your post sucks.

[Goldendawg]

State was not in a good position at all but.... You don't think Ole Miss wasn't a Dumpster Fire in 2019???

Ole Miss had just come off all those sanctions and had just went 4-8.

They also had a garbage culture too in the locker room with players hiking legs like dogs to lose football games...

I think it is comparable.

Only difference is Lane Kiffin had Matt Corrall on the roster and a few good wide receivers.

They have a cupcake schedule so far compared to us, but if he wins 9 to 10 with another NYD bowl after bringing in 19 new players, he is indeed a very good coach. Tulsa showed that again they can't stop the run. Let's see how their year plays out, but a third straight loss to them would be a very bitter pill to swallow!

[BlackSailsDawg]

Yes really. 3 years is long enough to show what he is.

In todays college football, you can't give a guy 5 years to produce. That's just insane.

No it's not. And yes you can and history shows it.


Look at Clawson. Look at Stoops. Look at Utah's HC. It's called building a program.

[BlackSailsDawg]

State was not in a good position at all but.... You don't think Ole Miss wasn't a Dumpster Fire in 2019???

Ole Miss had just come off all those sanctions and had just went 4-8.

They also had a garbage culture too in the locker room with players hiking legs like dogs to lose football games...

I think it is comparable.

Only difference is Lane Kiffin had Matt Corrall on the roster and a few good wide receivers.

He had a ton of experience on that team and that team was built around a similar system. It was an easier transition. We had years of not being able to pass and moved to an air raid.

Their culture was not as bad as our. Hiking a leg is not walking off practice fields simply because you wanted to. It's not that same as breaking the starting QB's eye socket putting him out of the bowl game.

[Goldendawg]

So watching the game and pulling hard for my team is a loser and give up mindset? Man your post sucks.

100%. It is a tough gig to be a State fan and takes a lot of love and loyalty, not counting hard earned $. Look at our overall history and many of us have stuck it out no matter what, "waiting till next year". Don't expect to win the conference and certainly not a NC anytime soon, but expect better than 6-6 with 4 OOC wins and an unexciting low tier bowl. I've seen some good years. Tyler until OM helping lead us to NCAA probation, Bellard's good years, Jackie's best years with my only trip to Atlanta, and Dan taking us to #1 for 4 or so weeks. State fans are not losers! We are long suffering, always hope for the best, and deserve much better than we often get! Hail State!

[KOdawg1]

No it's not. And yes you can and history shows it.


Look at Clawson. Look at Stoops. Look at Utah's HC. It's called building a program.

So Joe Moorhead should've been given 5 years? Matt Luke should've been given 5 years? Jeremy Pruitt? Chad Morris? Willie Taggart? With the portal and NIL, it doesn't take 5 years to build a program. Back in the day, sure. But you're wrong.

[Goldendawg]

So Joe Moorhead should've been given 5 years? Matt Luke should've been given 5 years? Jeremy Pruitt? Chad Morris? Willie Taggart? With the portal and NIL, it doesn't take 5 years to build a program. Back in the day, sure. But you're wrong.

Getting paid $5 mil or more a year also factors into this, whether you like it or not. Heck, if we beat aTm, you might can add Jimbo to your list. Your list is short. You can add Herm at AZ, Dan at FL, Collins at GT, and many more. It wouldn't have mattered if we had given "I didn't see that coming", 48-0 loss to OM Croom 10 years to put in his "Less Coast Offense". The game has changed. You can't recruit in the very bottom of the SEC, find diamonds in the rough, have a developmental program and expect to win 9 or more games in the NIL, transfer portal SEC anymore. JMO.

[KOdawg1]

Getting paid $5 mil or more a year also factors into this, whether you like it or not.

Correct. He's getting paid 450K per game. Half of those have been losses. 450K for a loss is not a good return on investment if you ask me

[BlackSailsDawg]

So Joe Moorhead should've been given 5 years? Matt Luke should've been given 5 years? Jeremy Pruitt? Chad Morris? Willie Taggart? With the portal and NIL, it doesn't take 5 years to build a program. Back in the day, sure. But you're wrong.

Who said JoMo should have been given 5 year? Not me. He lost control of the football team. Players were walking out of practice because they wanted to. Players fighting. The QB was put out of the bowl game by our own LB and the LB still played. You are over the top extreme on this. If any coach allows that, it don't matter in what year, they should be fired. Would not care if it was Saban.

The Portal and NIL change nothing about building a program and a mentality to the team.

I can list example after example. I already listed 3. Stoops, Clawson (at each stop), and the Utah coach. here is another, Mizzou.

Pinkel took 7 years to build that program to a 12 win season. Once he got there (2007) this was his record. 81-38 with five seasons of 10 plus wins in a season and two of those were 12 wins. One 11 win.

History is not on your side with this.

[TrapGame]

So Joe Moorhead should've been given 5 years? Matt Luke should've been given 5 years? Jeremy Pruitt? Chad Morris? Willie Taggart? With the portal and NIL, it doesn't take 5 years to build a program. Back in the day, sure. But you're wrong.

Moorhead would have been given 5 years if he maintained discipline and a top notch S&C program. That was his ultimate downfall.