The real problem

[BlackSailsDawg]

So the air raid isn't special or unique and you'll still need players equal to or similar to your opponent, like always. That's exactly my point. This offense puts 3* on an island with 4-5*. Tough situation to win.

Where did I say it wasn't unique? It is. I stated that all offenses will need a great OL. We will always pull in great QBs and WRs with RBS. We have never had this much talent in those rooms at the same time.

[msugolf]

Where did I say it wasn't unique? It is. I stated that all offenses will need a great OL. We will always pull in great QBs and WRs with RBS. We have never had this much talent in those rooms at the same time.

We aren't nearly as talented at WR and RB as most of our fans think we are

[Maroonthirteen]

Let me add too... I'm not advocating for Leach to be fired. I'm sure he wasn't Cohens first choice but at the end of the process he was the best choice ... let that sink in. Leach has been good as far as organization and discipline.

However, This offense has flaws. It may be David's sling shot and rock but difference is Goliath knows it's coming and how and when David is going to sling the rock. Point is, it isn't always on the players.

[msstate7]

So funny to hear people blame scheme when LSU had a better player at most every position on the field and these same people don?t give to NIL while wanting the coach fired.

It?s mis-placed blame

We were favored. ED and SPS spent all offseason telling us lsu was trash. Now lsu is back! Clowns.

[basedog]

We were favored. ED and SPS spent all offseason telling us lsu was trash. Now lsu is back! Clowns.

It is funny, not making sideline adjustments was a huge mistake as were the turnover and drop passes. We got out-coached and out-played.

[ShotgunDawg]

We were favored. ED and SPS spent all offseason telling us lsu was trash. Now lsu is back! Clowns.

I think we?re going to be a solid team, but?

1. LSU is never trash. They?re talent is too good.

2. They were more talented at most every position on the field.

[msstate7]

I think we?re going to be a solid team, but?

1. LSU is never trash. They?re talent is too good.

2. They were more talented at most every position on the field.

The difference in the game wasn't talent even though I agree with you. The difference ended up being we put a subpar player in to replace a good player on PR.

ETA... lsu is better at off-the-field positions (coaching), too

[BrunswickDawg]

The difference in the game wasn't talent even though I agree with you. The difference ended up being we put a subpar player in to replace a good player on PR.

So BJ Ojulari's talent wasn't what impacted the game? Or Nabers? They took over the game in the second half - which is what talent can do. Especially at home with a rocking crowd. And they are better than any players we put on the field on either side of the ball. Both statistically, recruiting stars, and real talent.

I never bought in to LSU being trash. They have a ton of talent. Yes, they are in a transition year which many posters on here said "glad we got them early in the season hopefully before they have a chance to gel". Guess what? We missed that window by a half. I think if we played them week 1 like FSU we likely win. But you could watch that team maturing and coming together during the game. They play like they did Saturday, and they will run through their next 5 games and be 7-1 playing Bama.

[BlackSailsDawg]

The difference in the game wasn't talent even though I agree with you. The difference ended up being we put a subpar player in to replace a good player on PR.

ETA... lsu is better at off-the-field positions (coaching), too

I'm going to say that Daniels was far superior to our LBs... I'm also willing to say their OL was far superior to our DL.

[FISHDAWG]

[QUOTE=Cowbell;1449539]You boys can talk about Will all you want But it's a moot point. Period. It's sad that the most accurate passer we have ever had is getting wasted in a faulty offensive scheme and here's the reasons why.
Will is good but I think Tyler Russell had better accuracy IMO ... both had slow feet

So funny to hear people blame scheme when LSU had a better player at most every position on the field and these same people don?t give to NIL while wanting the coach fired.

It?s mis-placed blame

truth ... if you want to complain then pony up first

Let me add too... I'm not advocating for Leach to be fired. I'm sure he wasn't Cohens first choice but at the end of the process he was the best choice ... let that sink in. Leach has been good as far as organization and discipline.

However, This offense has flaws. It may be David's sling shot and rock but difference is Goliath knows it's coming and how and when David is going to sling the rock. Point is, it isn't always on the players.

Truth ... it wasn't Will's call to go for it on 4th down everytime we turned around and it certainly isn't his fault that we have no better running plays than what we used on those 4th down attempts

We were favored. ED and SPS spent all offseason telling us lsu was trash. Now lsu is back! Clowns.

So many of us already expected this and I don't think this game was a surprise to anyone even though a lot here expected to beat them .... the same applies to almost any SEC team

[msstate7]

So BJ Ojulari's talent wasn't what impacted the game? Or Nabers? They took over the game in the second half - which is what talent can do. Especially at home with a rocking crowd. And they are better than any players we put on the field on either side of the ball. Both statistically, recruiting stars, and real talent.

I never bought in to LSU being trash. They have a ton of talent. Yes, they are in a transition year which many posters on here said "glad we got them early in the season hopefully before they have a chance to gel". Guess what? We missed that window by a half. I think if we played them week 1 like FSU we likely win. But you could watch that team maturing and coming together during the game. They play like they did Saturday, and they will run through their next 5 games and be 7-1 playing Bama.

At auburn
Tenn
At Florida
OM

I'd love to bet they don't run that table

[basedog]

I don't get all the talk about DM versus ML, it has nothing to do with this season or any season. Time to move on as DM ain't coming back to StarkVegas.

[Maroonthirteen]

I don't get all the talk about DM versus ML, it has nothing to do with this season or any season. Time to move on as DM ain't coming back to StarkVegas.

To deflect from the point of the conversation which is the air raid.

[BlackSailsDawg]

I don't get all the talk about DM versus ML, it has nothing to do with this season or any season. Time to move on as DM ain't coming back to StarkVegas.

I think it's because people seem to think that Mullen is the God of coaches at MSU and then you have threads where MS7 and others "beg Mullen to come back"... or a poll on if we would like Mullen back.

[msstate7]

Yes the air raid does help negate the talent gap. LSU had the #8 most talented roster in the country, MSU #29. One game doesn?t make a season.

Leach is 1-2 against LSU, Dan was 2-7....as in most stats, Leach will surpass Dan

LSU while mullen was here: 87-29
LSU while leach has been here: 13-12

[WhiskeyPirate]

Dan Mullen sec record his first five years at State :3-5, 4-4, 2-6, 4-4 , 3-5. Against a much easier SOS than Leach.

I think Leach will top that easily against a much harder SOS.

Dans record against LSU was 2-7, leach will also beat that.

[Matt3467]

Yes the air raid does help negate the talent gap. LSU had the #8 most talented roster in the country, MSU #29. One game doesn?t make a season.

Leach is 1-2 against LSU, Dan was 2-7....as in most stats, Leach will surpass Dan

LSU while mullen was here: 87-29
LSU while leach has been here: 13-12

Croom vs Saban 1-1
Dan vs Saban 0-9
Leach vs Saban 0-2

Croom > Dan & Leach

[Matt3467]

I'm not so sure Will is deadly accurate like many say. He just makes a lot of high % throws. I've seen Will be pretty inaccurate on what should be routine throws. I think this offense can be a little deceiving when it comes to completion percentage. I think Will is decent and like Leach he'll win you some games you shouldn't win but also disappear at times.

[msstate7]

I'm not so sure Will is deadly accurate like many say. He just makes a lot of high % throws. I've seen Will be pretty inaccurate on what should be routine throws. I think this offense can be a little deceiving when it comes to completion percentage. I think Will is decent and like Leach he'll win you some games you shouldn't win but also disappear at times.

Will is accurate, but you're right on easy throws.

Comp % nationally - 10th
Yds/att nationally - 74th

Here's what real downfield accuracy looks like...

Caleb Williams comp % nationally - 4th
Yds/att nationally - 8th

[msstate7]

This aint it. I'm sure Will can throw the ball downfield, but that's tough to do when the defense sits back with 2 safeties because they know what offense we are running. Not to mention the time it takes for those routes to develop when you have a RT that can't block his man. As for a mobile QB, don't get your hopes up. Mike wants his guy to sit in the pocket and make the quick accurate throws. Undoubtedly, there's guys in the QB room more mobile than Will, yet they haven't sniffed the field.

I'd prefer a TE over a mobile qb even though I'd rather both. A TE can at least help our tackle out some