The real problem

[Cowbell]

You boys can talk about Will all you want But it's a moot point. Period. It's sad that the most accurate passer we have ever had is getting wasted in a faulty offensive scheme and here's the reasons why.

1) This offense does not exploit mismatches. The college game is won by those who know how to circle weaknesses on teams and exploit them. Instead, we run what we run and focus on execution and don't exploit other teams weaknesses or game plan to exploit them on a detailed level.

2) If the other teams ends are better than our tackles, that is possibly the game. Arizona got us in a tight spot because of this. Their DL was the only talent they had and it nearly exploited our offense at times. Good defenses like Georgia, alabama and LSU will win every time. We make it so easy on DCs - they just pin their ears back and come after us every play. We just let our tackles live on an island and hope they win. And if they don't, so be it. A running back can't chip an SEC defensive end. We don't bootleg. We rarely run play action. We don't run inside screens. We rarely run draws. We don't make defenses back off in any way. They have learned to let linebackers sit down in coverage but still play close enough to be effective in our few run plays. Our guards essentially are a waste of a body on many pass plays. That's a mismatch to the advantage of the DC - think about it - - we have two blockers nearly every play that don't even account for anyone. That's why they can cover 5-6 with 8. Its INSANITY.

3) Tight Ends - name me a good team at any level of football that doesn't have an effective tight end. A good tight end would really change this offense. Ends and linebackers would have to start paying better attention and they couldn't just pin their ears back. He would be an extra dump route outside of the running back. I don't know why we don't just put one of our bigger receivers there to chip and create some disguise at times.

4) We don't have an OC and therefore no creative play making. We just focus on repetition and execution. It's like only taking one tool to a job when you might need a dozen different things. This offense could be killer at our current talent level if we could just make defenses keep guessing. Instead they generally know what we are doing, they just have to stop it. Think about that. They know what we are going to do week in and week out. Saban was able to alter his defense last year in one week of practice because he knew exactly what we were going to do so he took advantage. The offense is a sitting duck to good coaches with average talent. You can make confident calls when you aren't guessing what we are going to do next. And again - make me a good team at any level that doesn't have a good OC.

I'm done with Leach - this offense is a joke against good teams. Good DCs will eat us alive going forward. Our talent and experience are the only thing that will keep us in games. The coaching will not. We have a coach that has not changed anything in 20 years and I again would love for you to point me to a coach that has found consistent success without adapting. Even the best coaches with the best talent adapt. It's really a disservice for him to get paid what he is making and not put in the work to change and adapt to beat good teams. That's his job.

[Cowbell]

And to you Cohen - I'm not mad at the hire - I hoped it would work but had my doubts. But I will hold you accountable if we don't make a change. It's the equivalent to hiring a baseball coach that never bunts and never utilizes pitching matchups.

[TrapGame]

And to you Cohen - I'm not mad at the hire - I hoped it would work but had my doubts. But I will hold you accountable if we don't make a change. It's the equivalent to hiring a baseball coach that never bunts and never utilizes pitching matchups.

Leach isn't going anywhere unless we completely implode this season and finish 6-6 with a third consecutive loss to OM. Then he will be asked to "retire". And if that comes to fruition I'm 100% behind it.

[justwin]

You boys can talk about Will all you want But it's a moot point. Period. It's sad that the most accurate passer we have ever had is getting wasted in a faulty offensive scheme and here's the reasons why.

1) This offense does not exploit mismatches. The college game is won by those who know how to circle weaknesses on teams and exploit them. Instead, we run what we run and focus on execution and don't exploit other teams weaknesses or game plan to exploit them on a detailed level.

2) If the other teams ends are better than our tackles, that is possibly the game. Arizona got us in a tight spot because of this. Their DL was the only talent they had and it nearly exploited our offense at times. Good defenses like Georgia, alabama and LSU will win every time. We make it so easy on DCs - they just pin their ears back and come after us every play. We just let our tackles live on an island and hope they win. And if they don't, so be it. A running back can't chip an SEC defensive end. We don't bootleg. We rarely run play action. We don't run inside screens. We rarely run draws. We don't make defenses back off in any way. They have learned to let linebackers sit down in coverage but still play close enough to be effective in our few run plays. Our guards essentially are a waste of a body on many pass plays. That's a mismatch to the advantage of the DC - think about it - - we have two blockers nearly every play that don't even account for anyone. That's why they can cover 5-6 with 8. Its INSANITY.

3) Tight Ends - name me a good team at any level of football that doesn't have an effective tight end. A good tight end would really change this offense. Ends and linebackers would have to start paying better attention and they couldn't just pin their ears back. He would be an extra dump route outside of the running back. I don't know why we don't just put one of our bigger receivers there to chip and create some disguise at times.

4) We don't have an OC and therefore no creative play making. We just focus on repetition and execution. It's like only taking one tool to a job when you might need a dozen different things. This offense could be killer at our current talent level if we could just make defenses keep guessing. Instead they generally know what we are doing, they just have to stop it. Think about that. They know what we are going to do week in and week out. Saban was able to alter his defense last year in one week of practice because he knew exactly what we were going to do so he took advantage. The offense is a sitting duck to good coaches with average talent. You can make confident calls when you aren't guessing what we are going to do next. And again - make me a good team at any level that doesn't have a good OC.

I'm done with Leach - this offense is a joke against good teams. Good DCs will eat us alive going forward. Our talent and experience are the only thing that will keep us in games. The coaching will not. We have a coach that has not changed anything in 20 years and I again would love for you to point me to a coach that has found consistent success without adapting. Even the best coaches with the best talent adapt. It's really a disservice for him to get paid what he is making and not put in the work to change and adapt to beat good teams. That's his job.

this is a terrible take all around. this offense works. we need a qb who can throw downfield with zip and have just a little mobility and it will take off. this offense even works to be avg or slightly above avg with a limited qb which is what we currently have.

[ShotgunDawg]

So funny to hear people blame scheme when LSU had a better player at most every position on the field and these same people don?t give to NIL while wanting the coach fired.

It?s mis-placed blame

[Maroonthirteen]

So funny to hear people blame scheme when LSU had a better player at most every position

I'm positive you said many times the air raid neutralizes the talent gap.

[WhiskeyPirate]

I'm positive you said many times the air raid neutralizes the talent gap.

Yes the air raid does help negate the talent gap. LSU had the #8 most talented roster in the country, MSU #29. One game doesn?t make a season.

Leach is 1-2 against LSU, Dan was 2-7....as in most stats, Leach will surpass Dan

[Cowbell]

So funny to hear people blame scheme when LSU had a better player at most every position on the field and these same people don?t give to NIL while wanting the coach fired.

It?s mis-placed blame

Hahaha - this is hilarious - I actually had a meeting with a university official just last week about NIL
Giving and how to handle. Maybe you should quit making assumptions...

[Cooterpoot]

So funny to hear people blame scheme when LSU had a better player at most every position on the field and these same people don?t give to NIL while wanting the coach fired.

It?s mis-placed blame

No it's not. This scheme is ancient. So much so, there is no "scheme". It's line up and run the same handful of plays over and over. We don't do anything to help ourselves. Even the LSU players said so. They knew what we were going to do and that we kept trying the same things over and over. That's why they basically shut it down after the first half.

[Goldendawg]

No it's not. This scheme is ancient. So much so, there is no "scheme". It's line up and run the same handful of plays over and over. We don't do anything to help ourselves. Even the LSU players said so. They knew what we were going to do and that we kept trying the same things over and over. That's why they basically shut it down after the first half.

You will see the same issues we had against LSU on O with any SEC D's we face with good DB's and a fast DE's. Our LB's also lack speed defending the flats and a QB scramble. Safety play has not improved against the pass at all. As per our "experienced 2022 returning team", sometimes it just means a year older, not necessarily better. BTW, looked at next year's schedule, no GA, we go 11-1!**** Hail State!

[BlackSailsDawg]

No it's not. This scheme is ancient. So much so, there is no "scheme". It's line up and run the same handful of plays over and over. We don't do anything to help ourselves. Even the LSU players said so. They knew what we were going to do and that we kept trying the same things over and over. That's why they basically shut it down after the first half.

They didn't shut anything down. We did that to ourselves. A few examples:

2nd & 10 at LSU 49

(4:00 - 1st) Will Rogers sacked by BJ Ojulari for a loss of 9 yards to the MisSt 42
3rd & 19 at MSST 42

(3:30 - 1st) Will Rogers pass complete to Rufus Harvey for 18 yds to the LSU 40

The sack put us way behind the chains.

1st & 10 at MSST 29

(14:00 - 2nd) Will Rogers pass complete to Rara Thomas for 10 yds to the MisSt 39 for a 1ST down
1st & 10 at MSST 39

(13:30 - 2nd) Will Rogers pass complete to Jamire Calvin for 6 yds to the MisSt 45
2nd & 4 at MSST 45

(13:00 - 2nd) Will Rogers run for 6 yds to the LSU 49 for a 1ST down
1st & 10 at LSU 49

(12:50 - 2nd) Will Rogers pass incomplete
2nd & 10 at LSU 49

(12:40 - 2nd) Will Rogers pass incomplete

Dropped pass.

2nd & 10 at MSST 36

(14:20 - 3rd) Will Rogers pass complete to Dillon Johnson for 8 yds to the MisSt 44
3rd & 2 at MSST 44

(13:45 - 3rd) Will Rogers pass incomplete to Rara Thomas

Dropped pass... stopped the drive. Not Pass defended. Dropped pass.

[Cooterpoot]

They didn't shut anything down. We did that to ourselves. A few examples:



The sack put us way behind the chains.




Dropped pass.



Dropped pass... stopped the drive. Not Pass defended. Dropped pass.

OK, 4 dropped balls cost us the game***. They ate this offense up the second half. Sacks are easy when you know what play we're running.

[PMDawg]

No it's not. This scheme is ancient. So much so, there is no "scheme". It's line up and run the same handful of plays over and over. We don't do anything to help ourselves. Even the LSU players said so. They knew what we were going to do and that we kept trying the same things over and over. That's why they basically shut it down after the first half.

I was corrected the other day and told that Leach was hired BECAUSE his offense is innovative, when I claimed it WAS innovative 20-25 years ago but is now just antiquated and inefficient.

[NCDawg]

I was corrected the other day and told that Leach was hired BECAUSE his offense is innovative, when I claimed it WAS innovative 20-25 years ago but is now just antiquated and inefficient.

Prerequisite for Leach's offense-good accurate passing QB, OL that gives the QB time to pass, good speedy W/R's that can catch. If one of those 3 fails, it ain't going to work.

[Cowbell]

No it's not. This scheme is ancient. So much so, there is no "scheme". It's line up and run the same handful of plays over and over. We don't do anything to help ourselves. Even the LSU players said so. They knew what we were going to do and that we kept trying the same things over and over. That's why they basically shut it down after the first half.

You get it man - you saw it before nearly anyone. I don't know why this is so complicated for people to understand.

[DawgFromOxford]

this is a terrible take all around. this offense works. we need a qb who can throw downfield with zip and have just a little mobility and it will take off. this offense even works to be avg or slightly above avg with a limited qb which is what we currently have.

This aint it. I'm sure Will can throw the ball downfield, but that's tough to do when the defense sits back with 2 safeties because they know what offense we are running. Not to mention the time it takes for those routes to develop when you have a RT that can't block his man. As for a mobile QB, don't get your hopes up. Mike wants his guy to sit in the pocket and make the quick accurate throws. Undoubtedly, there's guys in the QB room more mobile than Will, yet they haven't sniffed the field.

[memsu06]

I guess we'll just keep trying coaches out every 3-4 years till we get one the fans like? That will be awesome for recruiting with a fan base that doesn't do much with NIL.

Keep it up and we'll be back to the Croom years.

The Air Raid does work. Our receivers are getting open. Will just needs to make up his mind faster and the receiver needs to catch the ball.

This LSU game reminded me of the Ole Miss game last year. We were in the game until we had critical dropped passes and turn overs.

Mullen was 0-9 against Bama
Mullen was 2-7 against LSU
Mullen lost to South Alabama

If you're going to judge Mike Leach then you need to look at Dan Mullen the same way.

We're going to have games where we aren't firing on all cylinders. This LSU game was a breakdown of the entire team.

LSU is a much better team than most realize. They have talent all over the field. It wouldn't surprise me they give Bama a good game.

[Maroonthirteen]

Hahaha. Anytime some facts are presented, the swabs come out with "but but but ...Mullen, Moorhead...". Blah blah blah.

Cowbell is dead on about this offense. This offense is the same formations every week. Same Plays with 7-9 variations of pass routes. But don't listen to Cowbell, listen to DCs and players around the country.

Now will this offense work? Yeah to some extent vs equal talent. But this offense does require exceptional talent along the line, because it puts tackles and guards in one on one situations in space. You will need high quality OL, size and speed, to give any QB the necessary time for the 7-9 routes to develop. (This is why you don't see passes down field. Not enough time for QB, two safeties every the top). Then you'll need to continue to recruit high Level QBs. Two positions msu has always struggled to recruit. Oh and NIL, I give to BIL. But.... State is number 13 in the sec in recruiting budget. Tell ole LT-Cohen to get off the check book and fund recruiting..... Mizer 2.0. Anyways....

What I find funny," air raid, air raid, air raid." Now everyone wants a QB that can run. Yeah, you'll need a QB that can run with this offense. The gaps are so wide and our OL so slow, it is an interstate freeway to the backfield for LBs.

Looking forward to the Mullen did this Moorhead did that thread. Meanwhile we will see if this offense scores a TD on Bama or UGA this year.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Hahaha. Anytime some facts are presented, the swabs come out with "but but but ...Mullen, Moorhead...". Blah blah blah.

Cowbell is dead on about this offense. This offense is the same formations every week. Same Plays with 7-9 variations of pass routes. But don't listen to Cowbell, listen to DCs and players around the country.

Now will this offense work? Yeah to some extent vs equal talent. But this offense does require exceptional talent along the line, because it puts tackles and guards in one on one situations in space. You will need high quality OL, size and speed, to give any QB the necessary time for the 7-9 routes to develop. (This is why you don't see passes down field. Not enough time for QB, two safeties every the top). Then you'll need to continue to recruit high Level QBs. Two positions msu has always struggled to recruit. Oh and NIL, I give to BIL. But.... State is number 13 in the sec in recruiting budget. Tell ole LT-Cohen to get off the check book and fund recruiting..... Mizer 2.0. Anyways....

What I find funny," air raid, air raid, air raid." Now everyone wants a QB that can run. Yeah, you'll need a QB that can run with this offense. The gaps are so wide and our OL so slow, it is an interstate freeway to the backfield for LBs.

Looking forward to the Mullen did this Moorhead did that thread. Meanwhile we will see if this offense scores a TD on Bama or UGA this year.

He's no where near dead on. In fact he's pretty much 100% wrong. Yes you need a great OL. He would have ever thought that in the SEC, we would need a great OL. A flash of news. So does every offense in the SEC. Every offense has flaws when it has a weakness in the line up.

[Maroonthirteen]

He's no where near dead on. In fact he's pretty much 100% wrong. Yes you need a great OL. He would have ever thought that in the SEC, we would need a great OL. A flash of news. So does every offense in the SEC. Every offense has flaws when it has a weakness in the line up.

So the air raid isn't special or unique and you'll still need players equal to or similar to your opponent, like always. That's exactly my point. This offense puts 3* on an island with 4-5*. Tough situation to win.