Stoops has been at UK for 10 years. From 2012 to 2016, they sucked

[BlackSailsDawg]

Stoops has had the luxury of being in the SEC East. If UK was in the SEC West his record would be a lot worse.

No, Stoops had the luxury of being involved with an AD and fans with common sense. They allowed him to build a program, not demand he win a national title with nothing changed.

[Johnson85]

No, Stoops had the luxury of being involved with an AD and fans with common sense. They allowed him to build a program, not demand he win a national title with nothing changed.

That's not really responsive to the part about him being in the SEC East. Not clear which way that cuts though. On the one hand, he's probably not good enough to win in the SEC West (and by win in the SEC West, I just mean have around a .500 SEC record) and it would have probalby just prolonged the pain if we let a coach like Stoops stick around. On the other hand, the fact that the SEC W is harder means that we probably should be more realistic about what a "winning" coach looks like.

[BlackSailsDawg]

That's not really responsive to the part about him being in the SEC East. Not clear which way that cuts though. On the one hand, he's probably not good enough to win in the SEC West (and by win in the SEC West, I just mean have around a .500 SEC record) and it would have probalby just prolonged the pain if we let a coach like Stoops stick around. On the other hand, the fact that the SEC W is harder means that we probably should be more realistic about what a "winning" coach looks like.

It is responsive. What division he is in has no influence on firing a coach after 2 to 3 seasons. That's a commitment to the coach and that shows up in recruiting over time. A steady change of coaching usually shows up as a negative in recruiting. Now, if you want to talk about UK in the east? I laid that out. UK was losing in the east before he got there. They were losing in the east for how many seasons after he got there? The point is they allowed him to build that program and a program like that takes time to build.

We will never hire any coach that is going to make MSU an instant recruiting giant. What we can do is show stability and loyalty and recruits see it. So you begin to attract a few more higher rated players every year because relationships are built. We have already took it on the chin by moving our freshmen into starting positions and that allows our new recruits to gain a lot of experience prior to starting... raising the level to a constant. No more 5 to 6 years to have a shot. Every year be in a position to have a shot.