Something strange happened last night...

[FISHDAWG]

Yes, we expected to beat LsU, and we were favored, but it's not like LSU hasn't crushed our souls a zillion times. So what was it....why is there a different feel last night and this morning after losing to them in Death Valley? I have never received so many texts and seen so many posts from my MSU buddies saying "I'm done this time". Even the most optimistic kool aid drinkers that always think we're going 11-1 are saying they can't put themselves through it anymore.



What made last night the turning point for so many? I really do think last night caused a mass exodus off the Leach train, and may kill attendance the rest of the year as well. But why? Because we were favored? Because we should have won? Because this was supposed to be the big year? All the veterans? What is it? I never got on the Leach train and yet I'm still more pissed than normal too, and I just want to know what makes this loss in Baton Rouge such a dagger compared to years past where seasons went there to die.

Thoughts?

Because people believed the media and C34 .... funny how our fans believe the media when they are promoting us but those same folks call the same media idiots that don't do their homework when they predict us in the cellar..... a lot of us suspected this but wanted to believe- it's still LSU and upper tier SEC competition.... never forget that no matter what you read

[NCDawg]

If winning matters more, then you need to allow him to build the program right. Not throw players to the wolves for the sake of emotions. You play the person that has more experience while grooming the future and developing the OL through recruiting. Our brightest years was never going to be in his first years. It's going to be when he builds the under classes and they have a steady rotation of ready guys.

Agree, that's the way it should be done; or, you can do like Portal U in Oxford- get portal transfers to comprise your team

[Todd4State]

Yes, we expected to beat LsU, and we were favored, but it's not like LSU hasn't crushed our souls a zillion times. So what was it....why is there a different feel last night and this morning after losing to them in Death Valley? I have never received so many texts and seen so many posts from my MSU buddies saying "I'm done this time". Even the most optimistic kool aid drinkers that always think we're going 11-1 are saying they can't put themselves through it anymore.

What made last night the turning point for so many? I really do think last night caused a mass exodus off the Leach train, and may kill attendance the rest of the year as well. But why? Because we were favored? Because we should have won? Because this was supposed to be the big year? All the veterans? What is it? I never got on the Leach train and yet I'm still more pissed than normal too, and I just want to know what makes this loss in Baton Rouge such a dagger compared to years past where seasons went there to die.

Thoughts?

It's MSU fans being MSU fans. We played bad and lost a game we shouldn't. But instead of flushing it some of them go off the deep end and just want to blow everything up again. MSU fans always want the complete opposite of whatever it is that MSU is doing. But one loss and "see I told y'all that wouldn't work".

I was maybe one of the few who said that if we turn the ball over we could lose. And that's what happened. We had the lead. Our sixth year senior muffed a punt and we lost momentum and never regained it. We had the lead up until that point. Solution? Don't let Austin catch punts again or put him in a critical situation again.

I've seen us lose to crappy LSU teams before that are worse than this and then go on to have a great season. 1994 and 1998 immediately come to mind. Even when we beat them in 2014 it was basically only by one score and 2020 was by like 10 points I think.

We'll see what happens going forward. In the meantime I'm trying to ignore most of our fans.

[Cooterpoot]

Still seeing the same inconsistency, total lack of recruiting, shitty portal management, and bad player management we've seen for a couple years. A veteran team shitting the bed is pretty damn telling.
We've been dealing with 4+ years of incompetence and an additional 3 or 4 years of don't give a shit from coaches. State fans are tired of John Cohen sucking and the football program being neglected, while we cater to baseball.
There's going to be a reconning at some point.

[WhiskeyPirate]

It's MSU fans being MSU fans. We played bad and lost a game we shouldn't. But instead of flushing it some of them go off the deep end and just want to blow everything up again. MSU fans always want the complete opposite of whatever it is that MSU is doing. But one loss and "see I told y'all that wouldn't work".

I was maybe one of the few who said that if we turn the ball over we could lose. And that's what happened. We had the lead. Our sixth year senior muffed a punt and we lost momentum and never regained it. We had the lead up until that point. Solution? Don't let Austin catch punts again or put him in a critical situation again.

I've seen us lose to crappy LSU teams before that are worse than this and then go on to have a great season. 1994 and 1998 immediately come to mind. Even when we beat them in 2014 it was basically only by one score and 2020 was by like 10 points I think.

We'll see what happens going forward. In the meantime I'm trying to ignore most of our fans.

I would take away Williams job as punt returner and keep Thomas back there. Austin is there for one reason to fair catch. If loses you a game by muffing on the ten yard line then just let Thomas return every punt the rest of the year.....he’s going to give you good returns and will break a couple.

[Cooterpoot]

Agree, that's the way it should be done; or, you can do like Portal U in Oxford- get portal transfers to comprise your team

Ole Miss is running circles around our asses. You guys can make fun of Kiffin, but he's winning. This idea that you build your team the right way is in the past. You go get every good player in the portal and send the bad players packing. It's a business now. It's not the college ball of 1978.

[BulldogBear]

I think a whole lot of people have convinced themselves that LSU is a train wreck. When it boils down to it, LSU will always have a ton of athletes - especially at WR, DB and DE - and athletes well coached (and for all his faults, Brian Kelly has proven over time that he is a good coach) can take over games and win. And frankly, we don't have the athletes that LSU does. We have some good ones - but not in the volume of LSU. Everyone saw last night why we needed Nabors. Everyone saw last night how a guy like BJ Ojulari can take over a game.

LSU isn't a 12 win team - but they aren't a 6-6 team either.

It seems that more often than not LSU is good 2+ 4th qtr TDs no matter what the score and situation may be. And their WRs always switch on video game mode late in the game no matter if they've been great or terrible all game. We saw that yet again. We, that is MSU, often have to dominate LSU to so much as barely beat them. 2017 was an awesome exception.

It's fact

Cowbell's comment wa in relation to maroon glasses, which I was definitely weaing.

I know Airbone is designed to try to mitigate talent gap somewhat by forcing the elites to have fewer D-lineman.

After a somewhat naive hiatus, I'm back to my original thinking.

Barring 2-3 SEC programs per season (Will often Bama plus 1-2 of LSU, UGA, FLA) that can afford to just have a QB stand behind a stone wall OL and play old school style, anyone else must have a credible running threat at QB to have any hope of being truly competitive and seek 9-10 wins.

In other words, you may appear to have an offense without one, but it's an illusion against the lesser competition. Without a running QB, YOU DON'T HAVE AN OFFENSE. It's a 10 vs 11 situation without one. Oh, you might can step up and win 8 games with a Tyler Russel or Wilt Rogers, but you aren't actually competing.

[Goldendawg]

We beat Kentucky 31-17 last year in what was probably Rogers's best game of his career

My bad, thought you talking about LSU.

[WhiskeyPirate]

It seems that more often than not LSU is good 2+ 4th qtr TDs no matter what the score and situation may be. And their WRs always switch on video game mode late in the game no matter if they've been great or terrible all game. We saw that yet again. We, that is MSU, often have to dominate LSU to so much as barely beat them. 2017 was an awesome exception.


Cowbell's comment wa in relation to maroon glasses, which I was definitely weaing.

I know Airbone is designed to try to mitigate talent gap somewhat by forcing the elites to have fewer D-lineman.

After a somewhat naive hiatus, I'm back to my original thinking.

Barring 2-3 SEC programs per season (Will often Bama plus 1-2 of LSU, UGA, FLA) that can afford to just have a QB stand behind a stone wall OL and play old school style, anyone else must have a credible running threat at QB to have any hope of being truly competitive and seek 9-10 wins.

In other words, you may appear to have an offense without one, but it's an illusion against the lesser competition. Without a running QB, YOU DON'T HAVE AN OFFENSE. It's a 10 vs 11 situation without one. Oh, you might can step up and win 8 games with a Tyler Russel or Wilt Rogers, but you aren't actually competing.

What you are saying is true but it also varies in degrees or shades........you don’t need Michael Vick or even jalen hurts. You have Will Rogers lack of mobility on one end and J Daniels on the other end of the spectrum. A guy who can avoid a sack, roll out, throw on the run and run ten yards for a first down could be Robertson or Locke and would take a ton of pressure off the O line.

Parsons would be ideal but just having the athleticism of Minshew would be a huge difference. Quick release and a cannon for an arm are also skills that offset lack of mobility. It makes it really tough when you have neither.

[parabrave]

Yes, we expected to beat LsU, and we were favored, but it's not like LSU hasn't crushed our souls a zillion times. So what was it....why is there a different feel last night and this morning after losing to them in Death Valley? I have never received so many texts and seen so many posts from my MSU buddies saying "I'm done this time". Even the most optimistic kool aid drinkers that always think we're going 11-1 are saying they can't put themselves through it anymore.

What made last night the turning point for so many? I really do think last night caused a mass exodus off the Leach train, and may kill attendance the rest of the year as well. But why? Because we were favored? Because we should have won? Because this was supposed to be the big year? All the veterans? What is it? I never got on the Leach train and yet I'm still more pissed than normal too, and I just want to know what makes this loss in Baton Rouge such a dagger compared to years past where seasons went there to die.

Thoughts?

Because LSU isn't good. We let a bad version of Relf beat us. We have a coach who will not adapt to game time situations while their coach did. Hey your line is getting beat by 3 guys do you adapt? Nope. LSU did, rolled their QB out. We run for 80 yds in the 1st half then we stopped. We have no deep threat even if we did WR wouldn't have time to get them the ball.

[Cowbell]

Because LSU isn't good. We let a bad version of Relf beat us. We have a coach who will not adapt to game time situations while their coach did. Hey your line is getting beat by 3 guys do you adapt? Nope. LSU did, rolled their QB out. We run for 80 yds in the 1st half then we stopped. We have no deep threat even if we did WR wouldn't have time to get them the ball.

That dude is better than Relf was

[Todd4State]

I would take away Williams job as punt returner and keep Thomas back there. Austin is there for one reason to fair catch. If loses you a game by muffing on the ten yard line then just let Thomas return every punt the rest of the year.....he’s going to give you good returns and will break a couple.

Agree about Xavion.

[Todd4State]

It seems that more often than not LSU is good 2+ 4th qtr TDs no matter what the score and situation may be. And their WRs always switch on video game mode late in the game no matter if they've been great or terrible all game. We saw that yet again. We, that is MSU, often have to dominate LSU to so much as barely beat them. 2017 was an awesome exception.


Cowbell's comment wa in relation to maroon glasses, which I was definitely weaing.

I know Airbone is designed to try to mitigate talent gap somewhat by forcing the elites to have fewer D-lineman.

After a somewhat naive hiatus, I'm back to my original thinking.

Barring 2-3 SEC programs per season (Will often Bama plus 1-2 of LSU, UGA, FLA) that can afford to just have a QB stand behind a stone wall OL and play old school style, anyone else must have a credible running threat at QB to have any hope of being truly competitive and seek 9-10 wins.

In other words, you may appear to have an offense without one, but it's an illusion against the lesser competition. Without a running QB, YOU DON'T HAVE AN OFFENSE. It's a 10 vs 11 situation without one. Oh, you might can step up and win 8 games with a Tyler Russel or Wilt Rogers, but you aren't actually competing.

We have QB's that are more physically gifted than Will on campus right now. But the thing is- they have to be able to pass the ball and run the offense and lead the team.

Development takes time.

[NCDawg]

That dude is better than Relf was

Matter of opinion. I don't think so.

[civildawg]

My reason is because LSU is not good and I was made to believe that will had gotten past his scared to throw it downfield mode. He played exactly like he did last year against any defense with a pulse

[PikeDawg15]

Ole Miss is running circles around our asses. You guys can make fun of Kiffin, but he's winning. This idea that you build your team the right way is in the past. You go get every good player in the portal and send the bad players packing. It's a business now. It's not the college ball of 1978.

Im in your camp now... I still think Leach's system can work but watching the game last night, you have to have a good mobile QB to beat a team like LSU. Your not gonna swing pass your way to victory against 5 stars.

[PikeDawg15]

What you are saying is true but it also varies in degrees or shades........you don’t need Michael Vick or even jalen hurts. You have Will Rogers lack of mobility on one end and J Daniels on the other end of the spectrum. A guy who can avoid a sack, roll out, throw on the run and run ten yards for a first down could be Robertson or Locke and would take a ton of pressure off the O line.

Parsons would be ideal but just having the athleticism of Minshew would be a huge difference. Quick release and a cannon for an arm are also skills that offset lack of mobility. It makes it really tough when you have neither.

If 2018 Gardner Minshew played last night , we would have won by 3 touchdowns. Ill die on that hill. Will's immobility kills us .

[WhiskeyPirate]

If 2018 Gardner Minshew played last night , we would have won by 3 touchdowns. Ill die on that hill. Will's immobility kills us .

Absolutely

Minshew was 220 and had real quick feet, very tough to sack. He can squat a hell of a lot for a q b, just a different player than Will. He runs for first downs in the nfl frequently if they give it to him.

[Lord McBuckethead]

How hard is it to run block? you know the play. You know what you are supposed to do. The ball is snapped and it looks as if our OL believe pass blocking on a run play is good enough.
These guys need an attitude adjustment.
And what was with Pace stepping on folks? It happened more than once, stepped right in the middle of the LSU's guys back.

[CoachT14]

We have QB's that are more physically gifted than Will on campus right now. But the thing is- they have to be able to pass the ball and run the offense and lead the team.

Development takes time.

Because Will did such a great job last night
- lead the team by acting like a scared little puppy.
- refused to run when he could (see above).
- refused to check out of inside zone run with LSU stacking 8 in the box.
- refused to take shots down the field.

Is our OL great? No. Did we have a few key drops? Yes. Some of those issues get fixed with a QB that can be a little more mobile.

But if Will was the leader some of you and even Will himself make him out to be, why is Mike Leach the one chewing out the offense and not your ?QB1??